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And why they are objectively terrible.



You know, even though a person from that generation (Mark Bauerlein) called my generation "The Dumbest Generation" in his book a few years back, I really feel sorry for them for all the finger pointing and the blame game. I really distrust blame games. It does nothing. Focusing on what they have done wrong and ways to fix it, oh yes. But to go round blaming an entire generation...that is every single baby boomer...that is bullshit and ignorant. It would be the elites which would most likely be part of that generation. Blame the ones in power, not an entire generation. You cannot blame all for the actions of the few. When someone uses the term baby boomer they are lumping them all into that group to blame. I know some have a chip on their shoulder regarding baby boomers and it has been discussed why but get over it. This is reality and you can either sit there with your thumbs up your ass whining about how terrible boomers are and how they have farked up our future or you can band with my generation who is also panting for a revolution and figure out ways to fix what they have messed up.  Which will it be?
(05-21-2016, 02:04 PM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]You know, even though a person from that generation (Mark Bauerlein) called my generation "The Dumbest Generation" in his book a few years back, I really feel sorry for them for all the finger pointing and the blame game. I really distrust blame games. It does nothing. Focusing on what they have done wrong and ways to fix it, oh yes. But to go round blaming an entire generation...that is every single baby boomer...that is bullshit and ignorant. It would be the elites which would most likely be part of that generation. Blame the ones in power, not an entire generation. You cannot blame all for the actions of the few. When someone uses the term baby boomer they are lumping them all into that group to blame. I know some have a chip on their shoulder regarding baby boomers and it has been discussed why but get over it. This is reality and you can either sit there with your thumbs up your ass whining about how terrible boomers are and how they have farked up our future or you can band with my generation who is also panting for a revolution and figure out ways to fix what they have messed up.  Which will it be?

Since I'm not going to attempt to untoss your word salad let me say this.

Everything he's said about what boomers have done, was done by enough of them to make it a clear and distinct pattern. This is how "generaliztions" work. That you can find an exception to the generalization does not invalidate the generalization.

As for that revolution, I've seen what it appears Millenials have planned and if it is the Social Justice Utopia that is supposed to come I have absolutely no interest. I honestly don't think that our society can be fixed, we need to burn down everything that's been constructed since WW2 except those things built by the GIs we want to keep and start over from scratch.

I'm not the only Xer who has come to that conclusion.
(05-21-2016, 08:31 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-21-2016, 02:04 PM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]You know, even though a person from that generation (Mark Bauerlein) called my generation "The Dumbest Generation" in his book a few years back, I really feel sorry for them for all the finger pointing and the blame game. I really distrust blame games. It does nothing. Focusing on what they have done wrong and ways to fix it, oh yes. But to go round blaming an entire generation...that is every single baby boomer...that is bullshit and ignorant. It would be the elites which would most likely be part of that generation. Blame the ones in power, not an entire generation. You cannot blame all for the actions of the few. When someone uses the term baby boomer they are lumping them all into that group to blame. I know some have a chip on their shoulder regarding baby boomers and it has been discussed why but get over it. This is reality and you can either sit there with your thumbs up your ass whining about how terrible boomers are and how they have farked up our future or you can band with my generation who is also panting for a revolution and figure out ways to fix what they have messed up.  Which will it be?

Since I'm not going to attempt to untoss your word salad let me say this.

Everything he's said about what boomers have done, was done by enough of them to make it a clear and distinct pattern.  This is how "generaliztions" work.  That you can find an exception to the generalization does not invalidate the generalization.

As for that revolution, I've seen what it appears Millenials have planned and if it is the Social Justice Utopia that is supposed to come I have absolutely no interest. I honestly don't think that our society can be fixed, we need to burn down everything that's been constructed since WW2 except those things built by the GIs we want to keep and start over from scratch.

I'm not the only Xer who has come to that conclusion.

Never said those in power have not messed things up. But it does not apply to all boomers. I think it can be fixed but it will not be fixed with just generational bashing. Plans and working on it, absolutely. Whether it is from scratch or another way. We agree on that but i do not think generational bashing gets anything done. State what is messed up and how and come up with an alternative that works. That is what i would like to see.
there comes a point where it can't be fixed and is easier and more realistic to burn it down, knock it down and start over so that it does make sense, because eventually the damage is so great, like now. So I second the burn it down and start over.
Then lets have at it asap. The next question would be is what kind of society do we want to live in? What can be agreed on and what works best?
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(05-21-2016, 11:34 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: [ -> ][Image: 13240703_1708039459447826_52219919770445...e=579ECA27]

Well you are a 40s baby but we won't go into that as it is the message that is most important. How would that message work realistically in the real world? It is a nice sentiment but different ideologies clash and get in the way. Humans really are not all peace and love due to ideals clashing and greed as well as personality clashes, inability to listen and a whole lot more i am sure. How do we make that ideal work, Eric?
(05-21-2016, 11:34 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: [ -> ][Image: 13240703_1708039459447826_52219919770445...e=579ECA27]

Born in the 1960's and grew up in the 1970's Cool

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(05-21-2016, 10:09 PM)Danilynn Wrote: [ -> ]there comes a point where it can't be fixed and is easier and more realistic to burn it down, knock it down and start over so that it does make sense, because eventually the damage is so great, like now. So I second the burn it down and start over.

The current system is going down and in general the Xers know this and they know who did it.  Saving it is not possible and so Generation X on the whole will not try.
(05-22-2016, 12:40 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-21-2016, 10:09 PM)Danilynn Wrote: [ -> ]there comes a point where it can't be fixed and is easier and more realistic to burn it down, knock it down and start over so that it does make sense, because eventually the damage is so great, like now. So I second the burn it down and start over.

The current system is going down and in general the Xers know this and they know who did it.  Saving it is not possible and so Generation X on the whole will not try.

So, if they will not try it is up to the civics to do so huh? Pretty much sums up my frustration of the xers who i know of who like to whine but cannot be bothered doing anything about it. It is that lack of civic spirit in them that frustrates me. But least i now know what it is that is frustrating about them! Oh well, roll up sleeves fellow civics! We have a lot of work to do!
(05-22-2016, 12:54 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]So, if they will not try it is up to the civics to do so huh? Pretty much sums up my frustration of the xers who i know of who like to whine but cannot be bothered doing anything about it. It is that lack of civic spirit in them that frustrates me. But least i now know what it is that is frustrating about them! Oh well, roll up sleeves fellow civics! We have a lot of work to do!

The one thing that will work, the free market, will never be permitted by the Boomers because it can't give them their Utopia.  The system hasn't broken down to the point where faith in the state has been totally destroyed.  Once that happens then something useful might be accomplished.  Here is a look into the future of the west if socialism is not ended.  Until this realization becomes more widespread don't expect Xers to do much of anything.



(05-22-2016, 01:13 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-22-2016, 12:54 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]So, if they will not try it is up to the civics to do so huh? Pretty much sums up my frustration of the xers who i know of who like to whine but cannot be bothered doing anything about it. It is that lack of civic spirit in them that frustrates me. But least i now know what it is that is frustrating about them! Oh well, roll up sleeves fellow civics! We have a lot of work to do!

The one thing that will work, the free market, will never be permitted by the Boomers because it can't give them their Utopia.  The system hasn't broken down to the point where faith in the state has been totally destroyed.  Once that happens then something useful might be accomplished.  Here is a look into the future of the west if socialism is not ended.  Until this realization becomes more widespread don't expect Xers to do much of anything.



Should be an interesting future as i hear the majority of American millies are leaning more towards socialism. Should be interesting how they take this news.
(05-22-2016, 01:13 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-22-2016, 12:54 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]So, if they will not try it is up to the civics to do so huh? Pretty much sums up my frustration of the xers who i know of who like to whine but cannot be bothered doing anything about it. It is that lack of civic spirit in them that frustrates me. But least i now know what it is that is frustrating about them! Oh well, roll up sleeves fellow civics! We have a lot of work to do!

The one thing that will work, the free market, will never be permitted by the Boomers because it can't give them their Utopia.  The system hasn't broken down to the point where faith in the state has been totally destroyed.  Once that happens then something useful might be accomplished.  Here is a look into the future of the west if socialism is not ended.  Until this realization becomes more widespread don't expect Xers to do much of anything.




When things are so bad reality gives a smack down i can only HOPE people wake up and fix the system PROPERLY. Whether that actually happens is another story. I will believe it when i see it. I will watch this video now.
(05-22-2016, 01:28 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]When things are so bad reality gives a smack down i can only HOPE people wake up and fix the system PROPERLY. Whether that actually happens is another story. I will believe it when i see it. I will watch this video now.

One can only hope.  One of the things I like about Molyneux is that he shows his references.
(05-22-2016, 01:13 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-22-2016, 12:54 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]So, if they will not try it is up to the civics to do so huh? Pretty much sums up my frustration of the xers who i know of who like to whine but cannot be bothered doing anything about it. It is that lack of civic spirit in them that frustrates me. But least i now know what it is that is frustrating about them! Oh well, roll up sleeves fellow civics! We have a lot of work to do!

The one thing that will work, the free market, will never be permitted by the Boomers because it can't give them their Utopia.  The system hasn't broken down to the point where faith in the state has been totally destroyed.  Once that happens then something useful might be accomplished.  Here is a look into the future of the west if socialism is not ended.  Until this realization becomes more widespread don't expect Xers to do much of anything.



How the f did they think they could cope with "free healthcare?" Here in NZ it is paid through taxes. Well a portion of it anyway. Ridiculous. If there is no funding, nothing being paid for (as money does not appear out of nowhere unfortunately) no wonder everything has collapsed. No wonder there is no quality within healthcare as they cannot afford for it!
(05-22-2016, 01:22 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]Should be an interesting future as i hear the majority of American millies are leaning more towards socialism. Should be interesting how they take this news.

In general the American Millie conception of what socialism is "free health care", "free college", "free this" and "free that". What they don't step back and realize, largely because their Boomer parents never taught them--nothing is actually free. Those of us who are in X and older portions of millies have experience with GIs and Older Xers the Lost know that there is no such thing as free. Things have to be paid for and there are very few ways to actually pay for those things.

1. Is making things people want to get money, and then tax that money that has been earned.
2. Taxing imported goods.
3. Manipulating the currency.

Since the status quo is to not tax imported goods, and since Americans have pursued a free trade policy and cannot compete against those who are paid a bowl of rice a day making things and selling them to others is out too. For the US this leaves manipulating currency. This is of course fine if you hold reserve currency status, but if you do it too much you will lose that reserve status--all the checks written to pay for all those "free goodies" come due all at once and the country resorts to massive inflation to discharge its debts with inflated paper.

The result of course in countries who don't have reserve status is Venezuela. Chavez's left wing populism worked fine as long as oil prices were high--they dropped, they didn't have the dollars coming in to cover the dollars going out and chaos ensued.

As for agreeing on a vision, I don't think everyone in a country ever will ever agree on such a vision. That being said I'll settle for some core basic things.

1. Everyone has the right to do, say and be anything thing they want within the boundaries of reasonable laws.
2. There is no free anything--welfare is gone completely. If non-state entities want to run charities that is fine.
3. There will be tariffs to protect domestic industry. It does not matter if foreign goods are better, the country has an interest in having industries of its own, you know in-case-shit.
4. The economy will be more geared toward the importation of raw materials and export of finished goods than the import of finished goods and the export of raw materials.
5. The state has absolute control over who can enter the country. Naturally anyone who wants to leave, well I hope the door doesn't hit them in the ass on the way out.
6. An end to being policeman of the world. If countries want us to defend them...fine...they're paying for the occupation. If you want to be a colony you'll get treated like one.

In short going back to precisely the program that the US ran until just after WW2 and made the US the Largest Economy, the Largest Trading Country and the largest military power in the world.
Electricity is free over there wtf! How do they survive over there like that! Yeah if it is available all the time no wonder it is being abused. If things are free over there it is snatch and grab. That is not sustainable as resources are not ever lasting. Great video, Galen. I will subscribe to this channel. Still watching.
(05-22-2016, 01:48 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-22-2016, 01:22 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]Should be an interesting future as i hear the majority of American millies are leaning more towards socialism. Should be interesting how they take this news.

In general the American Millie conception of what socialism is "free health care", "free college", "free this" and "free that".  What they don't step back and realize, largely because their Boomer parents never taught them--nothing is actually free.  Those of us who are in X and older portions of millies have experience with GIs and Older Xers the Lost know that there is no such thing as free.  Things have to be paid for and there are very few ways to actually pay for those things.

1.  Is making things people want to get money, and then tax that money that has been earned.
2.  Taxing imported goods.
3.  Manipulating the currency.

Since the status quo is to not tax imported goods, and since Americans have pursued a free trade policy and cannot compete against those who are paid a bowl of rice a day making things and selling them to others is out too.  For the US this leaves manipulating currency.  This is of course fine if you hold reserve currency status, but if you do it too much you will lose that reserve status--all the checks written to pay for all those "free goodies" come due all at once and the country resorts to massive inflation to discharge its debts with inflated paper.

The result of course in countries who don't have reserve status is Venezuela.  Chavez's left wing populism worked fine as long as oil prices were high--they dropped, they didn't have the dollars coming in to cover the dollars going out and chaos ensued.

As for agreeing on a vision, I don't think everyone in a country ever will ever agree on such a vision.  That being said I'll settle for some core basic things.

1.  Everyone has the right to do, say and be anything thing they want within the boundaries of reasonable laws.
2.  There is no free anything--welfare is gone completely.  If non-state entities want to run charities that is fine.
3.  There will be tariffs to protect domestic industry.  It does not matter if foreign goods are better, the country has an interest in having industries of its own, you know in-case-shit.
4.  The economy will be more geared toward the importation of raw materials and export of finished goods than the import of finished goods and the export of raw materials.
5.  The state has absolute control over who can enter the country.  Naturally anyone who wants to leave, well I hope the door doesn't hit them in the ass on the way out.
6.  An end to being policeman of the world.  If countries want us to defend them...fine...they're paying for the occupation.  If you want to be a colony you'll get treated like one.

In short going back to precisely the program that the US ran until just after WW2 and made the US the Largest Economy, the Largest Trading Country and the largest military power in the world.

This is very interesting. Now we are getting somewhere. Yes, that is true. Boomers never taught us nothing is free. We lived in a bubble during the 90s. The 2000's were kind of a smack in the face but it has not knocked some sense into my generation as of yet. I am one of the ones who knows nothing is free. But then again, i am not an American millennial. If what you have noted down is what the US economy was running on just after ww2 and it worked, then that is what it should go back to. We totally agree on Americans never agreeing on a vision. I do not think that will ever happen and if anything, it just divides people further and creates a hostile environment. Even inclusion of others having more rights is pissing people off. Undecided
(05-22-2016, 01:49 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]Electricity is free over there wtf! How do they survive over there like that! Yeah if it is available all the time no wonder it is being abused. If things are free over there it is snatch and grab. That is not sustainable as resources are not ever lasting. Great video, Galen. I will subscribe to this channel. Still watching.

Molyneux says many politically incorrect things but he backs them up with data.  He is an Xer of about my vintage and his attitude is not uncommon.  You might want watch his stuff on basic philosophy because you will find epistemology to be very useful in figuring out what is real.
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