05-07-2016, 10:48 PM
An interesting take on how one generation is seeking to drain other generations so they can hopefully coast to retirement before civilization collapses.
(05-13-2016, 06:31 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: [ -> ]Lots of Boomers don't have a pot to pee in as they retire / burn out / get pushed out of the work force.
(05-17-2016, 04:51 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]Here in NZ, it was not possible for my mother to go out and work as there is a law stating that a child cannot be unsupervised until 16.
(05-17-2016, 07:31 AM)Odin Wrote: [ -> ](05-17-2016, 04:51 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]Here in NZ, it was not possible for my mother to go out and work as there is a law stating that a child cannot be unsupervised until 16.
I know I've said it before, but that is fucking ridiculous.
(05-17-2016, 04:51 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ](05-14-2016, 04:34 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ](05-13-2016, 06:31 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: [ -> ]Lots of Boomers don't have a pot to pee in as they retire / burn out / get pushed out of the work force.
As Peter Schiff has pointed out multiple times they are showing up in many of the new low paying jobs which is pushing out many entry level job seekers. The Boomers did not plan because they assumed what was would always be in spite of the job they did wrecking everything.
Also some were single parents. Here in NZ, it was not possible for my mother to go out and work as there is a law stating that a child cannot be unsupervised until 16. So she could not go out and work. But even then when i hit 16 she should have planned for her retirement and for funeral costs. She has not planned for either and overspent which has hurt my future as i am left cleaning up her mess. I do not know the circumstances for single parents in America back when boomers were with little ones but I am sure it could have hurt their pocket much more than if they were with someone. But we cannot entirely blame the break up of families on boomers....the silents i hear started that trend and i can see why after listening to a boomer on the situation of GI's who stuck together. It was an eye opener.
(05-18-2016, 01:14 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: [ -> ]Lots of empty nests are increasingly occupied by aging Xers.
(05-13-2016, 06:31 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: [ -> ]Well they are evaporating from most work places. Retirements in large numbers. It took a while but it's finally happening. Meanwhile I'm seeing more and more Milles, as expected.Yet on the flip side there are more people continuing to work beyond age 65 than ever before. I am now 71 and am trying desperately to remain in the work force. One of the problems I have found stems from the fact that when I started out the workplace was still more benign and less cutthroat than today, and I have difficulty putting up with the mean spirited attitude in vogue these days, not to mention the sped-up pace of life in general.
In truth, for every Boomer who was a Yuppie and did well, there are numerous Blue Collar ones who got screwed starting in the late 80s and early 90s when the obsession with cost reduction and outsourcing kicked in. Lots of Boomers don't have a pot to pee in as they retire / burn out / get pushed out of the work force.
(05-14-2016, 04:34 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ](05-13-2016, 06:31 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: [ -> ]Lots of Boomers don't have a pot to pee in as they retire / burn out / get pushed out of the work force.
As Peter Schiff has pointed out multiple times they are showing up in many of the new low paying jobs which is pushing out many entry level job seekers. The Boomers did not plan because they assumed what was would always be in spite of the job they did wrecking everything.
(05-22-2016, 03:03 PM)beechnut79 Wrote: [ -> ]You mean like the idea that if you got in a job in a good company and did everything you were supposed to do, you were most often set for life? And usually you only got fired if you did something pretty awful, and even if that did happen, you usually could recover more quickly than is the case today? And everything you did was not tracked so heavily like it is now? And before the days when office politics and political correctness trumped reason?
(05-13-2016, 06:31 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: [ -> ]Well they are evaporating from most work places. Retirements in large numbers. It took a while but it's finally happening. Meanwhile I'm seeing more and more Milles, as expected.
In truth, for every Boomer who was a Yuppie and did well, there are numerous Blue Collar ones who got screwed starting in the late 80s and early 90s when the obsession with cost reduction and outsourcing kicked in. Lots of Boomers don't have a pot to pee in as they retire / burn out / get pushed out of the work force.
(05-14-2016, 04:34 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ](05-13-2016, 06:31 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: [ -> ]Lots of Boomers don't have a pot to pee in as they retire / burn out / get pushed out of the work force.
As Peter Schiff has pointed out multiple times they are showing up in many of the new low paying jobs which is pushing out many entry level job seekers. The Boomers did not plan because they assumed what was would always be in spite of the job they did wrecking everything.
(05-22-2016, 09:59 PM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ](05-22-2016, 03:03 PM)beechnut79 Wrote: [ -> ]You mean like the idea that if you got in a job in a good company and did everything you were supposed to do, you were most often set for life? And usually you only got fired if you did something pretty awful, and even if that did happen, you usually could recover more quickly than is the case today? And everything you did was not tracked so heavily like it is now? And before the days when office politics and political correctness trumped reason?
Pretty much.
This process was well underway in the mid-eighties when I started working. This sort of crap tended to come from over eager Boomer middle management. Welcome to my world as it has always been. This too will probably pass but too late to do me any good.
(06-13-2016, 07:52 PM)beechnut79 Wrote: [ -> ](05-22-2016, 09:59 PM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ](05-22-2016, 03:03 PM)beechnut79 Wrote: [ -> ]You mean like the idea that if you got in a job in a good company and did everything you were supposed to do, you were most often set for life? And usually you only got fired if you did something pretty awful, and even if that did happen, you usually could recover more quickly than is the case today? And everything you did was not tracked so heavily like it is now? And before the days when office politics and political correctness trumped reason?
Pretty much.
This process was well underway in the mid-eighties when I started working. This sort of crap tended to come from over eager Boomer middle management. Welcome to my world as it has always been. This too will probably pass but too late to do me any good.
It's been slow in passing, and today seems to be even worse than it was at that time. Will probably not pass until the vast majority gets fed up enough to take to the streets. Most now are too self-absorbed to do so. It began on a small scale with the "Fight for 15" crusade along with the Occupy thing.
(06-13-2016, 11:54 PM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ](06-13-2016, 07:52 PM)beechnut79 Wrote: [ -> ](05-22-2016, 09:59 PM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ](05-22-2016, 03:03 PM)beechnut79 Wrote: [ -> ]You mean like the idea that if you got in a job in a good company and did everything you were supposed to do, you were most often set for life? And usually you only got fired if you did something pretty awful, and even if that did happen, you usually could recover more quickly than is the case today? And everything you did was not tracked so heavily like it is now? And before the days when office politics and political correctness trumped reason?
Pretty much.
This process was well underway in the mid-eighties when I started working. This sort of crap tended to come from over eager Boomer middle management. Welcome to my world as it has always been. This too will probably pass but too late to do me any good.
It's been slow in passing, and today seems to be even worse than it was at that time. Will probably not pass until the vast majority gets fed up enough to take to the streets. Most now are too self-absorbed to do so. It began on a small scale with the "Fight for 15" crusade along with the Occupy thing.
I would expect that increasing the minimum wage will cause many more low skilled jobs to be automated away. It seems unlikely that unions will make much of a comeback under those conditions.
(06-14-2016, 02:33 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: [ -> ]Low-skilled manufacturing and even service jobs are being automated out of existence as soon as a machine or a computer program can be found to replace them. So it is for welding and painting on assembly lines for vehicles and appliances; so it is becoming for counter people in fast-food places. Finding people who can show delight in working for a near-minimum wage despite a miserable life off the job (poverty is incompatible with human happiness) is far tougher than it seems.
(06-14-2016, 02:41 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ](06-14-2016, 02:33 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: [ -> ]Low-skilled manufacturing and even service jobs are being automated out of existence as soon as a machine or a computer program can be found to replace them. So it is for welding and painting on assembly lines for vehicles and appliances; so it is becoming for counter people in fast-food places. Finding people who can show delight in working for a near-minimum wage despite a miserable life off the job (poverty is incompatible with human happiness) is far tougher than it seems.
Wages aren't the only thing that raises the cost of hiring people but also government regulations that push up the costs and increase the risk of lawsuits. This combination of things is making the upfront cost of capital for the machines versus the cost of people is what is driving this trend.
(06-14-2016, 04:31 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: [ -> ]Let's talk appropriate automation. Here's a use case.
Our little shack, on a canyon wall. Out front it's essentially almost 3 stories of exposure in places due to the grade. Now let's look at cleaning out the gutters.
Currently, choice one is me going up there. If I fall, I may die or become crippled. Major bad mojo for long term financial health of we the couple.
Other choice is to hire some pendejo to go up there. Reminds me of slavery - send the brown man to do the dangerous work.
Both kind of suck. No joke I'm going to check iRobot's website this year to see if they have something I can use instead of a human.
Bottom line - dangerous work, prefer the robot. Others? Much lower priority for automation. Automation to make humans' lives high quality and to take certain dangerous tasks off the table.