(05-01-2020, 03:33 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: [ -> ]** 01-May-2020 World View: Controlling blacks
(05-01-2020, 02:09 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: [ -> ]> Of course, that changed big time when LBJ allied with MLK and went
> after the black vote, and the Nixon responded with the Southern
> Strategy. In the late 60s, the racist element switched political
> parties.
Let's not forget the high-tech lynching of Clarence Thomas, long
after LBJ was in office.
Clarence Thomas sold out to the American Right.
Quote:Of course I'm familiar with your argument, but it has nothing to do
with the issue. Yes, blacks vote for Democrats, but as Trump
frequently pointed out in 2016 when he asked "What have you got to
lose?" that Democrats have done nothing to improve the lives of
blacks.
Blacks are doing better, statistically at least, then at any time in American history. More and better formal education and better work. Reduction in residential segregation, so that they are less likely to live in hideous slums is a factor. Blacks have gotten more political representation, so they get more respect in the political process than they once did. Of course such is mostly the result of their own efforts and being further away in time from the consequences of Jim Crow practices that crippled many black people by consigning them to inadequate schooling and vocational opportunities. If they attribute such to liberal policies that gave them the chance, then what can I say?
Quote:In fact, I would be curious to know if you can name a single policy
besides welfare payments implemented by Obama or Clinton to improve
the lives of blacks.
Not standing as rigidly for trickle-down economics as Reagan, both Bushes, and Trump: trickle-down economics imposes sacrifices by people not rich on behalf of people already filthy-rich on the assumption that those already filthy-rich know far better than the rest of us how to create wealth. Maybe in fifty years time we get to benefit from the delightful radiance of the ostentatious castles and palaces that those elites build. More likely those elites do more high-rolling at casinos, bid up art masterpieces, buy expensive jewelry, and hire more domestic servants off the enhanced profits.
Also being less likely to support hare-brained schemes that depend upon a few people betting other people's money for questionable investments such as financial bubbles that devour wealth instead of creating it. How many black people do you see as hucksters in stock-market swindles?
Quote:One of the many things that have startled me since Trump took office
is the hostility shown by Democrats to the historically low
unemployment rate among blacks.
A rate that went down while Obama was President, and due to COVID-19 is high again. Unless blacks are heavily concentrated in 'necessary' retailing, medicine, media, utilities, or food processing they are almost surely enduring the recent mass firings and lay-offs that have happened during the Plague of 2020.
Quote:Democrats have had plenty of opportunity to spin it with something
like, "Yeah, it's nice that the black unemployment rate is down, but
that's because of policies during the Obama administration." But I
can't recall ever hearing anything like that. The left ABSOLUTELY
HATES IT that blacks have a low unemployment rate. The same is true
of Trump's Opportunity Zones, which are meant to encourage employment
in black neighborhoods.
What have I seen? One day while I was in Greater Detroit I saw commute traffic going both ways... I am guessing that blacks from the slums of Detroit were headed to a great extent to the low-paying jobs that would go begging if employers had to rely upon the local, largely-white population that has usually had better opportunities than such work once 25 or so. Such work is much less available in Detroit, but it might be available 20 miles north or west. Such does not depend upon any 'enterprise zones'.
I live in a small town with relatively few blacks, but (before such businesses were largely shut down) out-of-proportion numbers of blacks working in retail and restaurants. Obviously some of those are commuting 40 miles one way to work where they work for near-minimum-wage jobs.
When Biden is elected President and things go back to normal will you give Trump credit for that? I expect Biden to go back to Obama policies.
Quote:It's not hard to find a reason. Democrats don't care anything about
the lives of blacks. Democrats want only one thing: to control
blacks, and for blacks to do as they're told by the Democrats, just
like the slaves. And they do that by controlling welfare payments to
blacks. Blacks are forced to beg Democrats for the latest welfare
handout, and have to do as their Democrat masters tell them to do to
get the money.
Most welfare recipients are white. Note well that in a study on economic realities in the many states to which I linked "Is Connecticut the Best State in Which to Live"... white people still fared statistically better than blacks in all states... but blacks in Maryland fared much better than whites in West Virginia. OK, Maryland has a stronger overall economy than West Virginia, Baltimore notwithstanding. West Virginia is toward the bottom among the states in almost every measure of economics and health -- life expectancy, obesity, drug use, formal education, credit rating on the average, and smoking. Of course we all know why West Virginia has become a piece of the Third World in America, and Democrats who used to dominate state politics have much to account for -- under-investment in education, public health, and highways... not that Republicans who now dominate the state are doing any better for West Virginia. It is safe to say that the economic solution for many West Virginians is to take I-77 south to Charlotte, I-64 or I-68 east as part of the route to some prosperous location in Virginia or Maryland, I- 70, US 33, or US 50 west to or toward Columbus or Indianapolis, or maybe I-79 north to Pittsburgh (I-77 leads to such urban calamities as Canton, Akron, and Cleveland in Ohio).
Quote:That's why the Democrats ABSOLUTELY HATE low black unemployment rates,
since it means that blacks can earn their own income and escape from
poverty on their own, without having to kowtow to Democrats and beg
for welfare. A black earning his own income might actually vote for a
Republican! Heaven Forbid!
I can assure you that Democrats would rather have blacks thanking them for a robust economy capable of sustained growth, the sort that offers what JFK called, and Reagan co-opted, as the "rising tide that raises all boats". Of course those boats need be seaworthy, and Democrats have no qualms about making those boats seaworthy lest the "rising tide" sink them. But whether one is a liberal or a reactionary, helping people caulk holes in their boats means that more people can rise with the tide.
Quote:I see Trump as being in a situation similar to that of Abraham Lincoln.
Lincoln wanted to free the slaves, and Democrats hated and opposed that.
Trump wants to free the blacks from poverty, and Democrats hate and
oppose that.
You are not talking about the same Party of Lincoln, and you are not talking about the same Democratic Party associated with nostalgia for the Confederate side in the Civil War. I do not trust Trump with prosperity for any but his cronies. His dream is much the same as for right-wing front groups such as Citizens for prosperity and Freedom Works! which hold that nothing matters except the power, indulgence, and gain of the top 2% or so of income-grabbers in America. (3% of Americans would do well in any sort-of-free-market economy, and the other 95% have as their duty to suffer for the 2%. Trump stands for a high-tech feudalism reminding me of the fictional Planet Mongo on
Flash Gordon serials.
Quote:If you think I'm wrong, then I'd be really curious to know if you can
name any policies besides welfare payments that have the objective of
improving the lives of blacks.
Improving educational standards and access.
Outlawing red-lining.
Reduction of lead exposure to which blacks were heavily exposed -- to the benefit of impulse control and the reduction in learning disabilities. Learning disabilities and poor impulse control are bad for formal learning and avoidance of violence -- and performance on the job. This could be the biggest difference -- that motor fuels in America have not contained tetraethyl lead since the late 1970's.
A crackdown on crime (it was heavily black people preying upon black people, so such isn't racist. Real racists don't care about black-on-black crime and want white people to see blacks as inherent criminals.
Tax policies that squelch speculative booms (freeing more money for legitimate investments that really create jobs).
A return to a graduated income tax that fosters small business instead of vertically-integrated monopolies.
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