07-19-2020, 12:45 PM
The AP recently put out a piece saying Trump is not committing to honoring the election result. It would only matter if it were vaguely close, which the current polls are not.
(07-19-2020, 05:16 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: [ -> ]My hope is that in the middle of a 4T, it always looks like we may not make it out alive while it's going on. Think of Washington at Valley Forge, and those many who pledged their lives and sacred honor who in fact lost their lives. Think of the thousands being shot down at Cold Harbor and the horror of Sherman's March. Think of the fascists taking over Europe and East Asia in the midst of a never-ending economic depression. But we made it through, and it was the darkness before a better day. Are we a worse and less-able people than those who fought through past 4Ts and came out the other side? As bad as we are, I don't think so.
(07-19-2020, 04:25 PM)TnT Wrote: [ -> ]My concern is that Trump is only the symptom. I have some conservative friends who, when I ask them why they like (or liked) Trump, say, "I like that he tells it like it is."
However, like many conservatives, they are not much interested in drilling into issues or figuring out what makes something make sense or not. Bumper stickers. Black and white.
Thus, when I ask, "What is IT that he tells it like, that you like?" Blank stares. Then, some will bring up "political correctness." One friend of mine used the example of janitors being wanted to be called "Custodial Engineers," or some such thing. Then of course I ask them to give me an example of Political Correctness that does NOT consist of someone criticizing someone else for being too sensitive.
Here's how I diagnose this. Trump's idiot savant talent is his ability to bullshit. He's really good at it. His overt and covert statements about the underclass that he needs to have, appeal to probably 30-40% of our population. They're not dumb. They can hear the occult and not-so-occult racism in his rants. They can hear that they have been vicitmized by the "Other." This is not even controversial - it can be demonstrated just by listening to and quoting what the man says, over and over again.
So what do we do as a country? How can we continue to live together? The know-nothings, the anti-science, the anti-education, the evangelistic "christians," the folks who believe in angels, a flat earth, global conspiracies, and the Protocols of the Zion. These folks are our fellow citizens. They're not going away. We have to live with them. They have to live with us.
Finally, once the game of Lose-Lose begins, there's no choice any more. Folks who are inclined to play Win-Win, or even Win-Lose don't get to do that. Base survival means that once we're playing Lose-Lose, it's either fight until it's over - that's where everyone is basically a Loser - or roll over and die.
We are a tragically weakened country. Trump and his corrupt lickspittles have cut many of the ties that bind together legitimate institutions and have discredited most civilized values. We are not immune to natural law. Weakened enough, we will become easy pickings.
(07-19-2020, 04:25 PM)TnT Wrote: [ -> ]My concern is that Trump is only the symptom. I have some conservative friends who, when I ask them why they like (or liked) Trump, say, "I like that he tells it like it is."
However, like many conservatives, they are not much interested in drilling into issues or figuring out what makes something make sense or not. Bumper stickers. Black and white.
Quote:Thus, when I ask, "What is IT that he tells it like, that you like?" Blank stares. Then, some will bring up "political correctness." One friend of mine used the example of janitors being wanted to be called "Custodial Engineers," or some such thing. Then of course I ask them to give me an example of Political Correctness that does NOT consist of someone criticizing someone else for being too sensitive.
Quote:Here's how I diagnose this. Trump's idiot savant talent is his ability to bullshit. He's really good at it. His overt and covert statements about the underclass that he needs to have, appeal to probably 30-40% of our population. They're not dumb. They can hear the occult and not-so-occult racism in his rants. They can hear that they have been vicitmized by the "Other." This is not even controversial - it can be demonstrated just by listening to and quoting what the man says, over and over again.
Quote:So what do we do as a country? How can we continue to live together? The know-nothings, the anti-science, the anti-education, the evangelistic "christians," the folks who believe in angels, a flat earth, global conspiracies, and the Protocols of the Zion. These folks are our fellow citizens. They're not going away. We have to live with them. They have to live with us.
Quote:Finally, once the game of Lose-Lose begins, there's no choice any more. Folks who are inclined to play Win-Win, or even Win-Lose don't get to do that. Base survival means that once we're playing Lose-Lose, it's either fight until it's over - that's where everyone is basically a Loser - or roll over and die.
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We are a tragically weakened country. Trump and his corrupt lickspittles have cut many of the ties that bind together legitimate institutions and have discredited most civilized values. We are not immune to natural law. Weakened enough, we will become easy pickings.