02-06-2019, 11:54 AM
(11-20-2018, 09:18 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: [ -> ]Let's keep aware of a significant checklist (Umberto Eco):
Thanks for mentioning, but didn't he also mention that fascism necessarily runs into contradictions?
(11-20-2018, 09:18 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: [ -> ]Let's keep aware of a significant checklist (Umberto Eco):
(09-14-2020, 12:26 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: [ -> ][quote='Eric the Green' pid='56810' dateline='1599539294']
Fivethirtyeight presidential election poll averages for Sept.14 about 1 PM.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pol.../national/
National Biden +7.1
Arizona Biden +5.1
Colorado Biden +10.1
Florida Biden +2.6
Georgia Trump +1.7
Iowa Trump +1.8
Kansas Trump +9.5
Michigan Biden +7.5
Minnesota Biden +7.7
Missouri Trump +6.6
Montana Trump +8.5
Nevada Biden +5.7
New Hampshire Biden +6.7
North Carolina Biden +1.3
Ohio Trump +1.1
Pennsylvania Biden +4.9
South Carolina Trump +6.9
Texas Trump +1.0
Utah Trump +11.7
Virginia Biden +10.5
Wisconsin Biden +6.5
(02-06-2019, 11:54 AM)Hintergrund Wrote: [ -> ](11-20-2018, 09:18 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: [ -> ]Let's keep aware of a significant checklist (Umberto Eco):
- The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”
- The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”
- The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”
- Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”
- Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”
- Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”
- The obsession with a plot. “The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia.”
- The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
- Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”
- Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”
- Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”
- Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”
- Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”
- Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”
The Trump cult fits well on most. Trump has yet to call for aggressive warfare, but we all know that he is but one hurt feeling away, and I doubt that he is inculcating heroism as a virtue in its own right. We have resistance to his worst.
Thanks for mentioning, but didn't he also mention that fascism necessarily runs into contradictions?
(10-06-2020, 07:17 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I certainly like following the polls when they go my way like this. I hope it continues today and beyond.
Polling averages for Oct.6, 8 AM EDT
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pol.../national/
National Biden +8.8 ...
(10-06-2020, 11:32 AM)David Horn Wrote: [ -> ](10-06-2020, 07:17 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I certainly like following the polls when they go my way like this. I hope it continues today and beyond.
Polling averages for Oct.6, 8 AM EDT
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pol.../national/
National Biden +8.8 ...
I've seen some preliminary polls based on Trump's horrid debate and worse COVID performance, that has the split at more than 15%. Trump is pulling out all the stops, but the organ just won't play.
(10-06-2020, 02:33 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: [ -> ](10-06-2020, 11:32 AM)David Horn Wrote: [ -> ]I've seen some preliminary polls based on Trump's horrid debate and worse COVID performance, that has the split at more than 15%. Trump is pulling out all the stops, but the organ just won't play.
Better analogy: the organist is so awful that instead of the mellifluous Mozart score arranged for organ he is getting a raucous, incoherent twelve-tone mess due to all the wrong notes.
(10-06-2020, 02:57 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: [ -> ](10-06-2020, 02:33 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: [ -> ](10-06-2020, 11:32 AM)David Horn Wrote: [ -> ]I've seen some preliminary polls based on Trump's horrid debate and worse COVID performance, that has the split at more than 15%. Trump is pulling out all the stops, but the organ just won't play.
Better analogy: the organist is so awful that instead of the mellifluous Mozart score arranged for organ he is getting a raucous, incoherent twelve-tone mess due to all the wrong notes.
Or Trump needs a decent MIDI setup. I occasionally take a MIDI file of a classic piece like Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor and route the resultant notes to a bunch of synthesized trombones. Why be boring and always use an organ voice?
(10-06-2020, 06:20 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: [ -> ]The organ voice is the best!
(10-06-2020, 07:32 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: [ -> ](10-06-2020, 06:20 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: [ -> ]The organ voice is the best!
... and best on a genuine organ. It may be ironic that the Toccata and Fugue in D-minor was originally written for solo violin.
(10-08-2020, 09:56 AM)David Horn Wrote: [ -> ]When you pull out all the stops, you play everything at once. Isn't that Trump in the last debate? Did it take ... at all?
(10-08-2020, 10:57 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: [ -> ](10-08-2020, 09:56 AM)David Horn Wrote: [ -> ]When you pull out all the stops, you play everything at once. Isn't that Trump in the last debate? Did it take ... at all?
Meaningless rambling...
Back in my organ days, I used to occasionally pull all the stops on a Hammond just for fun. The result was not the best of all possible voices, but each stop was on key or a harmonic and still required you to hit a note key. Given the right notes, what came out was OK.
Some of the stops are effectively harmony voices. They play a rational fraction of an active high or low. Someone with malice could pull only harmony voices on one hand, only melody voices on the other, and you would get a fairly convoluted multi key mess.
On a modern keyboard, if you routed a keyboard to a bunch of synthesized voices, you could press one note key and hear a trumpet, a violin, a chorus, a kazoo, a steel drum, etc, all respond with the same note at the same time. Most of my synthesizers can imitate more instruments than they can play notes. You might ask so many voices to play that the poor computer couldn't generate the result.
Trump in the last debate? It was more like he didn't want anybody playing an organ piece and was disruptive enough to only allow something else. Hitting a bunch of note keys with no attempt to organize it into a song might be a better analogue to what he did. Picture a three year old at a cathedral organ being thrilled to make noise, except he thought to up the volume pedal before moving up to the keys. If the moderator silences the candidates during the other guy's turn to speak the problem could be eliminated.
I don't know if that would suit Trump though. It would allow Biden to put out his message. I would be hard to not respond, problematic if he did. While it will be hard for Trump to avoid an offered stage, it wouldn't surprise me if his plan to avoid a rational debate and hold one of his super spreader rallies sticks.
(10-06-2020, 03:10 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: [ -> ](10-06-2020, 02:57 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: [ -> ](10-06-2020, 02:33 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: [ -> ](10-06-2020, 11:32 AM)David Horn Wrote: [ -> ]I've seen some preliminary polls based on Trump's horrid debate and worse COVID performance, that has the split at more than 15%. Trump is pulling out all the stops, but the organ just won't play.
Better analogy: the organist is so awful that instead of the mellifluous Mozart score arranged for organ he is getting a raucous, incoherent twelve-tone mess due to all the wrong notes.
Or Trump needs a decent MIDI setup. I occasionally take a MIDI file of a classic piece like Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor and route the resultant notes to a bunch of synthesized trombones. Why be boring and always use an organ voice?
I would simulate a wind ensemble.