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I take it the video you wanted me to watch was "Clinton: ‘Why aren’t I 50 points ahead?’ of Trump?"

My initial reaction was her tone. I am highly sensory given I am an ISFJ so that shrill, angry, point finger at the other tone is a real turn off for me. She sounds like my mother.

Lets remember I am a foreigner so I am not keeping on top of all of the details of the election but firstly if she wants to be elected she needs to change tactic real fast as millennials will have a huge impact on who is elected in November. That tactic is no longer effective for a new generation that has voting power. Many American millies I have spoken to have commented on this also so I am not just talking out my ass here. I am not American but her voice and attitude makes my ears bleed. Bernie was wonderfully rational in tone and manners. He addressed issues and he knew of the plight millies are dealing with on a daily basis which was nice to hear as do you hear of other candidates addressing this other than Clinton trying to morph into the new Bernie? She needs to focus on what she wants to address and how it is to be implemented and quit ripping into the other and likewise for other parties I should add too. 

I do not know of the case of this "right to work" so I have no comment on it. I only hear of bits and pieces on what is going on over there so I have no comment on that. 

Donald Trump stiffing contractors and small businesses.....well I would not be surprised in that regard. He tends to rip off a lot of people, e.g. Trump University as one example so I hear. Trump University: It’s Worse Than You Think
(09-23-2016, 02:47 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-23-2016, 02:36 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-23-2016, 02:20 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-23-2016, 02:02 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]That makes sense. I just have to look to my mother to see that mistake. The thought that you can spend and be reckless with no ill consequence. Her error has trapped us both with her debt for if i leave, she starves. Not that I could anyway with prices being so high. I am grateful I have learned from seeing my elders mistakes at a young age however. I really needed that lesson so not to repeat it. The majority of boomers were not blessed with that lesson on a massive scale. Nothing lasts forever. Things can change in an instant. Earthquakes, great recession, death, city in ruin, suburbs in ruin, no food, no water, no power, no house, no job but a whole lot of debt (my mothers) that needs paying. What a lesson all in one go but boy i wizened up fast.

Eric the Obtuse is the archetype of unwilling to accept reality.  There is the astrology and new age thing that he has been on since the sixties that never has worked.  You have been probably reading his other stuff where he believes that Clinton is going to be president.  Scott Adams disagrees with this assessment and I think he is right.  Make sure to look at the video and tell me what you think, particularly about the mood.

Millies may have their issues but like the GIs they tend to adapt to changed circumstances.  This will serve them well in the coming years.
True about Eric. It amazes me really and I wonder what made him that way. Yes he is predicting Clinton will win. I have my doubts of course. I refrain from being certain of results before they are in but i sense she will not win for some reason. But do not take that too seriously. People want something different and the time is right for something new and the time is right for someone like Trump or Bernie who are something indeed very new who both claim to have the answer. We know what to expect from a Clinton. So that is why I sense she has a hard road ahead if she expects to win. But I would rather sit and wait for the results of the election as i am no prophet and I do not have the ego to claim to know the answer well in advance neither.


Well being grounded in reality is vital to surviving and trying to thrive in a terrible environment. It is better together I have found. Being part of a millie collective to pick up the pieces of a ruined city keeps up spirits and likewise with collective businesses we are setting up to help each other in the business world. Here, we have the chance to rebuild a whole city and rebuild a nice, helpful community in civic groups and the business world. Both which I am part of with the SVA and the Film Cooperative.

I will watch your video.

Its a short video fortunately and it is a link from the Scott Adams blog which is also short.  I tend to agree with him but you are right there are no guarantees.

I don't know where the attitude comes from but I do know it is endemic among the Boomers.  Silents tended believe that if you just obeyed the rules, thinking was optional, and  everything would be fine.

Xers tend to work in much smaller groups.  It goes with the paranoia and trust issues.

Why paranoia and trust issues with larger groups? You would have been amazed at the size of the sva during the quakes. But i dunno maybe you would not have trusted them. Xers here first of all seemed distrusting then quickly warmed to us when they realized what we were attempting to achieve. They even threw barbecues for us and gave us sweets and beer!
(09-23-2016, 02:57 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]I take it the video you wanted me to watch was "Clinton: ‘Why aren’t I 50 points ahead?’ of Trump?"

My initial reaction was her tone. I am highly sensory given I am an ISFJ so that shrill, angry, point finger at the other tone is a real turn off for me. She sounds like my mother.

Lets remember I am a foreigner so I am not keeping on top of all of the details of the election but firstly if she wants to be elected she needs to change tactic real fast as millennials will have a huge impact on who is elected in November. That tactic is no longer effective for a new generation that has voting power. Many American millies I have spoken to have commented on this also so I am not just talking out my ass here. I am not American but her voice and attitude makes my ears bleed. Bernie was wonderfully rational in tone and manners. He addressed issues and he knew of the plight millies are dealing with on a daily basis which was nice to hear as do you hear of other candidates addressing this other than Clinton trying to morph into the new Bernie? She needs to focus on what she wants to address and how it is to be implemented and quit ripping into the other and likewise for other parties I should add too. 

I do not know of the case of this "right to work" so I have no comment on it. I only hear of bits and pieces on what is going on over there so I have no comment on that. 

Donald Trump stiffing contractors and small businesses.....well I would not be surprised in that regard. He tends to rip off a lot of people, e.g. Trump University as one example so I hear. Trump University: It’s Worse Than You Think

You basically got it right.  I wouldn't expect you to know all of the policy details but they were unimportant to the matter at hand since, as Scott Adams pointed out, no one is actually paying attention.  In my opinion there was also an undercurrent of disbelief and a refusal to accept the possibility that perhaps the electorate really doesn't like or trust her as she thinks they should.  I have seen a similar disconnect from reality in most of the Boomers I have encountered through the years and I don't think its going to change at this late date.  Fortunately my mother never got quite that bad and she is same age as Clinton.

Trump University is not unique and not even the worst offender.  Everybody thought the real estate bubble would last forever and was trying to cash in.  (Hint: This is one of the most important indicators that you have a bubble.)  Truth is, no one would give a shit if Trump wasn't running for president.  I am ambivalent about Trump but Clinton is supported by too many neocons, like Paul Wolfowitz who was in the Bush II administration, who want to keep poking Russia with a stick.  The known quantity of Clinton almost certainly means more war and so its time to take a chance with Trump and possibly avoiding war with Russia.

The usual situation with Generation X, no good choices just less bad ones.

As for the contractors, I haven't seen anything on that so I have no comment.
(09-23-2016, 03:38 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-23-2016, 02:57 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]I take it the video you wanted me to watch was "Clinton: ‘Why aren’t I 50 points ahead?’ of Trump?"

My initial reaction was her tone. I am highly sensory given I am an ISFJ so that shrill, angry, point finger at the other tone is a real turn off for me. She sounds like my mother.

Lets remember I am a foreigner so I am not keeping on top of all of the details of the election but firstly if she wants to be elected she needs to change tactic real fast as millennials will have a huge impact on who is elected in November. That tactic is no longer effective for a new generation that has voting power. Many American millies I have spoken to have commented on this also so I am not just talking out my ass here. I am not American but her voice and attitude makes my ears bleed. Bernie was wonderfully rational in tone and manners. He addressed issues and he knew of the plight millies are dealing with on a daily basis which was nice to hear as do you hear of other candidates addressing this other than Clinton trying to morph into the new Bernie? She needs to focus on what she wants to address and how it is to be implemented and quit ripping into the other and likewise for other parties I should add too. 

I do not know of the case of this "right to work" so I have no comment on it. I only hear of bits and pieces on what is going on over there so I have no comment on that. 

Donald Trump stiffing contractors and small businesses.....well I would not be surprised in that regard. He tends to rip off a lot of people, e.g. Trump University as one example so I hear. Trump University: It’s Worse Than You Think

You basically got it right.  I wouldn't expect you to know all of the policy details but they were unimportant to the matter at hand since, as Scott Adams pointed out, no one is actually paying attention.  In my opinion there was also an undercurrent of disbelief and a refusal to accept the possibility that perhaps the electorate really doesn't like or trust her as she thinks they should.  I have seen a similar disconnect from reality in most of the Boomers I have encountered through the years and I don't think its going to change at this late date.  Fortunately my mother never got quite that bad and she is same age as Clinton.

Trump University is not unique and not even the worst offender.  Everybody thought the real estate bubble would last forever and was trying to cash in.  (Hint: This is one of the most important indicators that you have a bubble.)  Truth is, no one would give a shit if Trump wasn't running for president.  I am ambivalent about Trump but Clinton is supported by too many neocons, like Paul Wolfowitz who was in the Bush II administration, who want to keep poking Russia with a stick.  The known quantity of Clinton almost certainly means more war and so its time to take a chance with Trump and possibly avoiding war with Russia.

The usual situation with Generation X, no good choices just less bad ones.

As for the contractors, I haven't seen anything on that so I have no comment.
They should be paying attention. If they aren't that is a terrifying thought. All elections and current affairs should be studied and well known for what is promised and what is not delivered. These people need to be brought back down to earth and remember they are supposed to be a voice for the people. They keep you guys arguing for distraction. Divide and conquer. Media feeds it. They feed it. Business funds it.

Yes she is disconnected from the people and especially my generation as i pointed out. Like hell would I vote for either candidate let alone her. I have heard that Gary Johnson is similar to our Winston Peters. So if I were American I would consider him.

Yes I am sure it is not the worst offense but for someone running to be president it worries me. Would he view his presidency as another way for him to cash in also? It is a possibility. But then again, is that not what all politicians are interested in anyway with their hands in the cookie jar that is big corporations?

Yes, Clinton absolutely means more war. I am unaware of the story of Paul Wolfowitz and Russia. We do not hear a lot of the inside stories of American politics over here.
(09-23-2016, 04:00 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-23-2016, 03:38 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-23-2016, 02:57 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]I take it the video you wanted me to watch was "Clinton: ‘Why aren’t I 50 points ahead?’ of Trump?"

My initial reaction was her tone. I am highly sensory given I am an ISFJ so that shrill, angry, point finger at the other tone is a real turn off for me. She sounds like my mother.

Lets remember I am a foreigner so I am not keeping on top of all of the details of the election but firstly if she wants to be elected she needs to change tactic real fast as millennials will have a huge impact on who is elected in November. That tactic is no longer effective for a new generation that has voting power. Many American millies I have spoken to have commented on this also so I am not just talking out my ass here. I am not American but her voice and attitude makes my ears bleed. Bernie was wonderfully rational in tone and manners. He addressed issues and he knew of the plight millies are dealing with on a daily basis which was nice to hear as do you hear of other candidates addressing this other than Clinton trying to morph into the new Bernie? She needs to focus on what she wants to address and how it is to be implemented and quit ripping into the other and likewise for other parties I should add too. 

I do not know of the case of this "right to work" so I have no comment on it. I only hear of bits and pieces on what is going on over there so I have no comment on that. 

Donald Trump stiffing contractors and small businesses.....well I would not be surprised in that regard. He tends to rip off a lot of people, e.g. Trump University as one example so I hear. Trump University: It’s Worse Than You Think

You basically got it right.  I wouldn't expect you to know all of the policy details but they were unimportant to the matter at hand since, as Scott Adams pointed out, no one is actually paying attention.  In my opinion there was also an undercurrent of disbelief and a refusal to accept the possibility that perhaps the electorate really doesn't like or trust her as she thinks they should.  I have seen a similar disconnect from reality in most of the Boomers I have encountered through the years and I don't think its going to change at this late date.  Fortunately my mother never got quite that bad and she is same age as Clinton.

Trump University is not unique and not even the worst offender.  Everybody thought the real estate bubble would last forever and was trying to cash in.  (Hint: This is one of the most important indicators that you have a bubble.)  Truth is, no one would give a shit if Trump wasn't running for president.  I am ambivalent about Trump but Clinton is supported by too many neocons, like Paul Wolfowitz who was in the Bush II administration, who want to keep poking Russia with a stick.  The known quantity of Clinton almost certainly means more war and so its time to take a chance with Trump and possibly avoiding war with Russia.

The usual situation with Generation X, no good choices just less bad ones.

As for the contractors, I haven't seen anything on that so I have no comment.
They should be paying attention. If they aren't that is a terrifying thought. All elections and current affairs should be studied and well known for what is promised and what is not delivered. These people need to be brought back down to earth and remember they are supposed to be a voice for the people. They keep you guys arguing for distraction. Divide and conquer. Media feeds it. They feed it. Business funds it.

Yes she is disconnected from the people and especially my generation as i pointed out. Like hell would I vote for either candidate let alone her. I have heard that Gary Johnson is similar to our Winston Peters. So if I were American I would consider him.

Yes I am sure it is not the worst offense but for someone running to be president it worries me. Would he view his presidency as another way for him to cash in also? It is a possibility. But then again, is that not what all politicians are interested in anyway with their hands in the cookie jar that is big corporations?

Yes, Clinton absolutely means more war. I am unaware of the story of Paul Wolfowitz and Russia. We do not hear a lot of the inside stories of American politics over here.

That is why the Scott Adams blog is so important since it highlights how people actually make decisions.  The arguing in American politics is the product of a puritanical streak that runs through our history and the fact that too much of our society is centralized in DC.  The more power the Feds have then the more various interests try to use it to get special privileges at the expense of everyone else.  No one can be trusted with the Ring.

Johnson is probably the least objectionable of the four but he has about zero chance of winning.  The League of Women voters used to run the debates but after Perot the major parties run it now.  They do everything they can to keep any other candidates out of them, election laws tend to be skewed in the same way.

Paul Wolfowitz is one the people who helped to give us the current mess in the middle east.  Clinton for reasons I can't figure out wants to relive the Cold War.
(09-23-2016, 04:18 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-23-2016, 04:00 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-23-2016, 03:38 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-23-2016, 02:57 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]I take it the video you wanted me to watch was "Clinton: ‘Why aren’t I 50 points ahead?’ of Trump?"

My initial reaction was her tone. I am highly sensory given I am an ISFJ so that shrill, angry, point finger at the other tone is a real turn off for me. She sounds like my mother.

Lets remember I am a foreigner so I am not keeping on top of all of the details of the election but firstly if she wants to be elected she needs to change tactic real fast as millennials will have a huge impact on who is elected in November. That tactic is no longer effective for a new generation that has voting power. Many American millies I have spoken to have commented on this also so I am not just talking out my ass here. I am not American but her voice and attitude makes my ears bleed. Bernie was wonderfully rational in tone and manners. He addressed issues and he knew of the plight millies are dealing with on a daily basis which was nice to hear as do you hear of other candidates addressing this other than Clinton trying to morph into the new Bernie? She needs to focus on what she wants to address and how it is to be implemented and quit ripping into the other and likewise for other parties I should add too. 

I do not know of the case of this "right to work" so I have no comment on it. I only hear of bits and pieces on what is going on over there so I have no comment on that. 

Donald Trump stiffing contractors and small businesses.....well I would not be surprised in that regard. He tends to rip off a lot of people, e.g. Trump University as one example so I hear. Trump University: It’s Worse Than You Think

You basically got it right.  I wouldn't expect you to know all of the policy details but they were unimportant to the matter at hand since, as Scott Adams pointed out, no one is actually paying attention.  In my opinion there was also an undercurrent of disbelief and a refusal to accept the possibility that perhaps the electorate really doesn't like or trust her as she thinks they should.  I have seen a similar disconnect from reality in most of the Boomers I have encountered through the years and I don't think its going to change at this late date.  Fortunately my mother never got quite that bad and she is same age as Clinton.

Trump University is not unique and not even the worst offender.  Everybody thought the real estate bubble would last forever and was trying to cash in.  (Hint: This is one of the most important indicators that you have a bubble.)  Truth is, no one would give a shit if Trump wasn't running for president.  I am ambivalent about Trump but Clinton is supported by too many neocons, like Paul Wolfowitz who was in the Bush II administration, who want to keep poking Russia with a stick.  The known quantity of Clinton almost certainly means more war and so its time to take a chance with Trump and possibly avoiding war with Russia.

The usual situation with Generation X, no good choices just less bad ones.

As for the contractors, I haven't seen anything on that so I have no comment.
They should be paying attention. If they aren't that is a terrifying thought. All elections and current affairs should be studied and well known for what is promised and what is not delivered. These people need to be brought back down to earth and remember they are supposed to be a voice for the people. They keep you guys arguing for distraction. Divide and conquer. Media feeds it. They feed it. Business funds it.

Yes she is disconnected from the people and especially my generation as i pointed out. Like hell would I vote for either candidate let alone her. I have heard that Gary Johnson is similar to our Winston Peters. So if I were American I would consider him.

Yes I am sure it is not the worst offense but for someone running to be president it worries me. Would he view his presidency as another way for him to cash in also? It is a possibility. But then again, is that not what all politicians are interested in anyway with their hands in the cookie jar that is big corporations?

Yes, Clinton absolutely means more war. I am unaware of the story of Paul Wolfowitz and Russia. We do not hear a lot of the inside stories of American politics over here.

That is why the Scott Adams blog is so important since it highlights how people actually make decisions.  The arguing in American politics is the product of a puritanical streak that runs through our history and the fact that too much of our society is centralized in DC.  The more power the Feds have then the more various interests try to use it to get special privileges at the expense of everyone else.  No one can be trusted with the Ring.

Johnson is probably the least objectionable of the four but he has about zero chance of winning.  The League of Women voters used to run the debates but after Perot the major parties run it now.  They do everything they can to keep any other candidates out of them, election laws tend to be skewed in the same way.

Paul Wolfowitz is one the people who helped to give us the current mess in the middle east.  Clinton for reasons I can't figure out wants to relive the Cold War.

Hmm interesting. I will look him up.
(09-23-2016, 04:28 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-23-2016, 04:18 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-23-2016, 04:00 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-23-2016, 03:38 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-23-2016, 02:57 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]I take it the video you wanted me to watch was "Clinton: ‘Why aren’t I 50 points ahead?’ of Trump?"

My initial reaction was her tone. I am highly sensory given I am an ISFJ so that shrill, angry, point finger at the other tone is a real turn off for me. She sounds like my mother.

Lets remember I am a foreigner so I am not keeping on top of all of the details of the election but firstly if she wants to be elected she needs to change tactic real fast as millennials will have a huge impact on who is elected in November. That tactic is no longer effective for a new generation that has voting power. Many American millies I have spoken to have commented on this also so I am not just talking out my ass here. I am not American but her voice and attitude makes my ears bleed. Bernie was wonderfully rational in tone and manners. He addressed issues and he knew of the plight millies are dealing with on a daily basis which was nice to hear as do you hear of other candidates addressing this other than Clinton trying to morph into the new Bernie? She needs to focus on what she wants to address and how it is to be implemented and quit ripping into the other and likewise for other parties I should add too. 

I do not know of the case of this "right to work" so I have no comment on it. I only hear of bits and pieces on what is going on over there so I have no comment on that. 

Donald Trump stiffing contractors and small businesses.....well I would not be surprised in that regard. He tends to rip off a lot of people, e.g. Trump University as one example so I hear. Trump University: It’s Worse Than You Think

You basically got it right.  I wouldn't expect you to know all of the policy details but they were unimportant to the matter at hand since, as Scott Adams pointed out, no one is actually paying attention.  In my opinion there was also an undercurrent of disbelief and a refusal to accept the possibility that perhaps the electorate really doesn't like or trust her as she thinks they should.  I have seen a similar disconnect from reality in most of the Boomers I have encountered through the years and I don't think its going to change at this late date.  Fortunately my mother never got quite that bad and she is same age as Clinton.

Trump University is not unique and not even the worst offender.  Everybody thought the real estate bubble would last forever and was trying to cash in.  (Hint: This is one of the most important indicators that you have a bubble.)  Truth is, no one would give a shit if Trump wasn't running for president.  I am ambivalent about Trump but Clinton is supported by too many neocons, like Paul Wolfowitz who was in the Bush II administration, who want to keep poking Russia with a stick.  The known quantity of Clinton almost certainly means more war and so its time to take a chance with Trump and possibly avoiding war with Russia.

The usual situation with Generation X, no good choices just less bad ones.

As for the contractors, I haven't seen anything on that so I have no comment.
They should be paying attention. If they aren't that is a terrifying thought. All elections and current affairs should be studied and well known for what is promised and what is not delivered. These people need to be brought back down to earth and remember they are supposed to be a voice for the people. They keep you guys arguing for distraction. Divide and conquer. Media feeds it. They feed it. Business funds it.

Yes she is disconnected from the people and especially my generation as i pointed out. Like hell would I vote for either candidate let alone her. I have heard that Gary Johnson is similar to our Winston Peters. So if I were American I would consider him.

Yes I am sure it is not the worst offense but for someone running to be president it worries me. Would he view his presidency as another way for him to cash in also? It is a possibility. But then again, is that not what all politicians are interested in anyway with their hands in the cookie jar that is big corporations?

Yes, Clinton absolutely means more war. I am unaware of the story of Paul Wolfowitz and Russia. We do not hear a lot of the inside stories of American politics over here.

That is why the Scott Adams blog is so important since it highlights how people actually make decisions.  The arguing in American politics is the product of a puritanical streak that runs through our history and the fact that too much of our society is centralized in DC.  The more power the Feds have then the more various interests try to use it to get special privileges at the expense of everyone else.  No one can be trusted with the Ring.

Johnson is probably the least objectionable of the four but he has about zero chance of winning.  The League of Women voters used to run the debates but after Perot the major parties run it now.  They do everything they can to keep any other candidates out of them, election laws tend to be skewed in the same way.

Paul Wolfowitz is one the people who helped to give us the current mess in the middle east.  Clinton for reasons I can't figure out wants to relive the Cold War.

Hmm interesting. I will look him up.

There also some data on Clinton's warlike tendencies.  Like I said, no good choices.
(09-23-2016, 02:47 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-23-2016, 02:36 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-23-2016, 02:20 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-23-2016, 02:02 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]That makes sense. I just have to look to my mother to see that mistake. The thought that you can spend and be reckless with no ill consequence. Her error has trapped us both with her debt for if i leave, she starves. Not that I could anyway with prices being so high. I am grateful I have learned from seeing my elders mistakes at a young age however. I really needed that lesson so not to repeat it. The majority of boomers were not blessed with that lesson on a massive scale. Nothing lasts forever. Things can change in an instant. Earthquakes, great recession, death, city in ruin, suburbs in ruin, no food, no water, no power, no house, no job but a whole lot of debt (my mothers) that needs paying. What a lesson all in one go but boy i wizened up fast.

Eric the Obtuse is the archetype of unwilling to accept reality.  There is the astrology and new age thing that he has been on since the sixties that never has worked.  You have been probably reading his other stuff where he believes that Clinton is going to be president.  Scott Adams disagrees with this assessment and I think he is right.  Make sure to look at the video and tell me what you think, particularly about the mood.

Millies may have their issues but like the GIs they tend to adapt to changed circumstances.  This will serve them well in the coming years.
True about Eric. It amazes me really and I wonder what made him that way. Yes he is predicting Clinton will win. I have my doubts of course. I refrain from being certain of results before they are in but i sense she will not win for some reason. But do not take that too seriously. People want something different and the time is right for something new and the time is right for someone like Trump or Bernie who are something indeed very new who both claim to have the answer. We know what to expect from a Clinton. So that is why I sense she has a hard road ahead if she expects to win. But I would rather sit and wait for the results of the election as i am no prophet and I do not have the ego to claim to know the answer well in advance neither.

Well being grounded in reality is vital to surviving and trying to thrive in a terrible environment. It is better together I have found. Being part of a millie collective to pick up the pieces of a ruined city keeps up spirits and likewise with collective businesses we are setting up to help each other in the business world. Here, we have the chance to rebuild a whole city and rebuild a nice, helpful community in civic groups and the business world. Both which I am part of with the SVA and the Film Cooperative.

I will watch your video.

Its a short video fortunately and it is a link from the Scott Adams blog which is also short.  I tend to agree with him but you are right there are no guarantees.

I don't know where the attitude comes from but I do know it is endemic among the Boomers.]

I know where it comes from.  Us boomers are used to shaping reality, not having to live with realities.

Blue boomers in particular are used to shaping reality by yelling at it and about it.  If enough people just say something, it will become true.

And let's face it:  blue boomers have personal experience during the Consciousness Revolution about the worst that can happen economically.  The worst that can happen with more taxes and more spending and more of the economy under control of the government is a Soviet style centrally controlled economy.  Given that they - by which I mean Eric but also Clinton - were siding against the U.S. military industrial complex and essentially in favor of the Soviets in the culture wars, that doesn't sound so bad to them.
(09-25-2016, 02:14 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: [ -> ]I know where it comes from.  Us boomers are used to shaping reality, not having to live with realities.

Blue boomers in particular are used to shaping reality by yelling at it and about it.  If enough people just say something, it will become true.

And let's face it:  blue boomers have personal experience during the Consciousness Revolution about the worst that can happen economically.  The worst that can happen with more taxes and more spending and more of the economy under control of the government is a Soviet style centrally controlled economy.  Given that they - by which I mean Eric but also Clinton - were siding against the U.S. military industrial complex and essentially in favor of the Soviets in the culture wars, that doesn't sound so bad to them.

Welcome to my world. I thought the Lost had it bad in old age but it looks the Boomers are in for some serious karma.  Should be fun to watch.

As for economic failure the worst seems to be North Korea, Cuba and, my personal favorite, Venezuela.  Eric the Obtuse and his ilk are too fucking stupid to figure out that the MIC is a product of statism and big government.   As for Clinton, his only concern was getting laid and so he went where the chicks were.
(09-26-2016, 02:25 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-25-2016, 02:14 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: [ -> ]I know where it comes from.  Us boomers are used to shaping reality, not having to live with realities.

Blue boomers in particular are used to shaping reality by yelling at it and about it.  If enough people just say something, it will become true.

And let's face it:  blue boomers have personal experience during the Consciousness Revolution about the worst that can happen economically.  The worst that can happen with more taxes and more spending and more of the economy under control of the government is a Soviet style centrally controlled economy.  Given that they - by which I mean Eric but also Clinton - were siding against the U.S. military industrial complex and essentially in favor of the Soviets in the culture wars, that doesn't sound so bad to them.

Welcome to my world. I thought the Lost had it bad in old age but it looks the Boomers are in for some serious karma.  Should be fun to watch.

As for economic failure the worst seems to be North Korea, Cuba and, my personal favorite, Venezuela.  Eric the Obtuse and his ilk are too fucking stupid to figure out that the MIC is a product of statism and big government.   As for Clinton, his only concern was getting laid and so he went where the chicks were.
Which is why I have little to no hope of seeing America sort itself out under Dionysian rule. Idealism blinds. Only when both sides can talk to each other and quit becoming more and more extremist will conversation and progress begin. If the same old talking point keep being rolled round over and over there will come a boiling point and we are already seeing it. I do not see it being sorted out. I see destruction. An internal war and I hope it will not turn into another civil war. They were Dionysian also. I am unfamiliar with the aftermath of the civil war so I do not know how things were patched up after it. But it has more in common with the America of today than the great power era. To a certain degree. Two sides at war unwilling to back down. Wanting their ideal to win out over the other and destroying society along with it. Again they are in an internal war and once again, Dionysian driven. Run by feelings first. I am curious how it will end. But lets just say I will not be surprised at all that it will not be settled till the next prophets come along who will be Appolonian like my mother and their children born after their consciousness revolution; the next Apollonian civics (closer to GI's in mindset) will be raised to believe life should be a certain way culturally and enforce it in the corporate world and law. The current generations are too divided and polarized and blinded by bias and prejudice to be of any use to fix issues. I am glad we do not have this issue here. Heck our media does not even lean left or right wing. They just merely tell the news. Then again politics here focuses on politics. Not heavily focused on a cultural battle. I wonder if it was ever like that in America.
(09-26-2016, 03:06 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-26-2016, 02:25 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-25-2016, 02:14 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: [ -> ]I know where it comes from.  Us boomers are used to shaping reality, not having to live with realities.

Blue boomers in particular are used to shaping reality by yelling at it and about it.  If enough people just say something, it will become true.

And let's face it:  blue boomers have personal experience during the Consciousness Revolution about the worst that can happen economically.  The worst that can happen with more taxes and more spending and more of the economy under control of the government is a Soviet style centrally controlled economy.  Given that they - by which I mean Eric but also Clinton - were siding against the U.S. military industrial complex and essentially in favor of the Soviets in the culture wars, that doesn't sound so bad to them.

Welcome to my world. I thought the Lost had it bad in old age but it looks the Boomers are in for some serious karma.  Should be fun to watch.

As for economic failure the worst seems to be North Korea, Cuba and, my personal favorite, Venezuela.  Eric the Obtuse and his ilk are too fucking stupid to figure out that the MIC is a product of statism and big government.   As for Clinton, his only concern was getting laid and so he went where the chicks were.
Which is why I have little to no hope of seeing America sort itself out under Dionysian rule. Idealism blinds. Only when both sides can talk to each other and quit becoming more and more extremist will conversation and progress begin. If the same old talking point keep being rolled round over and over there will come a boiling point and we are already seeing it. I do not see it being sorted out. I see destruction. An internal war and I hope it will not turn into another civil war. They were Dionysian also. I am unfamiliar with the aftermath of the civil war so I do not know how things were patched up after it. But it has more in common with the America of today than the great power era. To a certain degree. Two sides at war unwilling to back down. Wanting their ideal to win out over the other and destroying society along with it. Again they are in an internal war and once again, Dionysian driven. Run by feelings first. I am curious how it will end. But lets just say I will not be surprised at all that it will not be settled till the next prophets come along who will be Appolonian like my mother and their children born after their consciousness revolution; the next Apollonian civics (closer to GI's in mindset) will be raised to believe life should be a certain way culturally and enforce it in the corporate world and law. The current generations are too divided and polarized and blinded by bias and prejudice to be of any use to fix issues. I am glad we do not have this issue here. Heck our media does not even lean left or right wing. They just merely tell the news. Then again politics here focuses on politics. Not heavily focused on a cultural battle. I wonder if it was ever like that in America.

The War Between the States was more about tariffs and New England securing a captive customer base and source of resources.  At the time the southern states were paying 85% of the Federal Governments expenses.  The idealists tend to get used under such scenarios and never seem to figure it out.  I suggest you read The Real Lincoln and Lincoln Unmasked by Thomas DiLorenzo to understand what was going on.  The abolitionist cause was used by some very self-centered people to enrich themselves and Lincoln was one of them.
(09-26-2016, 03:28 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-26-2016, 03:06 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-26-2016, 02:25 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-25-2016, 02:14 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: [ -> ]I know where it comes from.  Us boomers are used to shaping reality, not having to live with realities.

Blue boomers in particular are used to shaping reality by yelling at it and about it.  If enough people just say something, it will become true.

And let's face it:  blue boomers have personal experience during the Consciousness Revolution about the worst that can happen economically.  The worst that can happen with more taxes and more spending and more of the economy under control of the government is a Soviet style centrally controlled economy.  Given that they - by which I mean Eric but also Clinton - were siding against the U.S. military industrial complex and essentially in favor of the Soviets in the culture wars, that doesn't sound so bad to them.

Welcome to my world. I thought the Lost had it bad in old age but it looks the Boomers are in for some serious karma.  Should be fun to watch.

As for economic failure the worst seems to be North Korea, Cuba and, my personal favorite, Venezuela.  Eric the Obtuse and his ilk are too fucking stupid to figure out that the MIC is a product of statism and big government.   As for Clinton, his only concern was getting laid and so he went where the chicks were.
Which is why I have little to no hope of seeing America sort itself out under Dionysian rule. Idealism blinds. Only when both sides can talk to each other and quit becoming more and more extremist will conversation and progress begin. If the same old talking point keep being rolled round over and over there will come a boiling point and we are already seeing it. I do not see it being sorted out. I see destruction. An internal war and I hope it will not turn into another civil war. They were Dionysian also. I am unfamiliar with the aftermath of the civil war so I do not know how things were patched up after it. But it has more in common with the America of today than the great power era. To a certain degree. Two sides at war unwilling to back down. Wanting their ideal to win out over the other and destroying society along with it. Again they are in an internal war and once again, Dionysian driven. Run by feelings first. I am curious how it will end. But lets just say I will not be surprised at all that it will not be settled till the next prophets come along who will be Appolonian like my mother and their children born after their consciousness revolution; the next Apollonian civics (closer to GI's in mindset) will be raised to believe life should be a certain way culturally and enforce it in the corporate world and law. The current generations are too divided and polarized and blinded by bias and prejudice to be of any use to fix issues. I am glad we do not have this issue here. Heck our media does not even lean left or right wing. They just merely tell the news. Then again politics here focuses on politics. Not heavily focused on a cultural battle. I wonder if it was ever like that in America.

The War Between the States was more about tariffs and New England securing a captive customer base and source of resources.  At the time the southern states were paying 85% of the Federal Governments expenses.  The idealists tend to get used under such scenarios and never seem to figure it out.  I suggest you read The Real Lincoln and Lincoln Unmasked by Thomas DiLorenzo to understand what was going on.  The abolitionist cause was used by some very self-centered people to enrich themselves and Lincoln was one of them.
I am well aware of the real cause for the war. But they used idealism (free black slaves) to justify the war and use people for what they really wanted. Not unlike religious wars.
Why I think that is because I was reading something about the civil war and there were quotes from soldiers from that time that mentioned what they thought the war was about and what they thought they were fighting for. Not like propaganda has not been used before to get people to fight for a hidden agenda. I cannot for the life of me remember where I read it. I have tried to locate it several times.
Well, unfortunately I still cannot find the quote from the federal soldier but I have found something that would tie in with why that soldier thought he was fighting. It was later in the war. 
" Later in the war, increasing numbers of Federal soldiers fought to abolish slavery" Note I am just stating some really did not know of the real cause behind the war. As to Lincoln his intentions were "Lincoln later noted that this move was "partly on account of slavery" but mainly due to land title difficulties. So, it was only partly due to slavery. I hear different stories depending on which side of the border one is from (north and south). Propaganda warps truth unfortunately.
Civil War Soldiers
(09-26-2016, 03:32 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]I am well aware of the real cause for the war. But they used idealism (free black slaves) to justify the war and use people for what they really wanted. Not unlike religious wars.

The Civil War WAS about slavery, Tara, that is accepted by every legitimate historian. Galen is peddling extremist far-right wacko propaganda. The Civil War started because people in the southern states believed that they had a right to own other human beings.
(09-26-2016, 02:25 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]As for economic failure the worst seems to be North Korea, Cuba and, my personal favorite, Venezuela.  Eric the Obtuse and his ilk are too fucking stupid to figure out that the MIC is a product of statism and big government.   As for Clinton, his only concern was getting laid and so he went where the chicks were.
North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela are basket cases, but they are also straw men; I don't know anyone from the "left" who sees those nations as ideal. Bernie Sanders and his ilk tend to point to countries like Norway, Denmark, and Sweden, nations that do have their issues but on the whole are prosperous and functioning well, despite having a robust set of government services (health care, parental leave, unemployment benefits, and the like).
(09-26-2016, 06:53 AM)Odin Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-26-2016, 03:32 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]I am well aware of the real cause for the war. But they used idealism (free black slaves) to justify the war and use people for what they really wanted. Not unlike religious wars.

The Civil War WAS about slavery, Tara, that is accepted by every legitimate historian. Galen is peddling extremist far-right wacko propaganda. The Civil War started because people in the southern states believed that they had a right to own other human beings.

Do you even know who Thomas DiLorenzo is?   You were willing to condemn the entire work of Murray Rothbard on the word of a college professor.  Try reading what some of these people wrote and then follow their references to see if they quoting them accurately.
(09-26-2016, 11:05 AM)The Wonkette Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-26-2016, 02:25 AM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]As for economic failure the worst seems to be North Korea, Cuba and, my personal favorite, Venezuela.  Eric the Obtuse and his ilk are too fucking stupid to figure out that the MIC is a product of statism and big government.   As for Clinton, his only concern was getting laid and so he went where the chicks were.
North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela are basket cases, but they are also straw men; I don't know anyone from the "left" who sees those nations as ideal.  Bernie Sanders and his ilk tend to point to countries like Norway, Denmark, and Sweden, nations that do have their issues but on the whole are prosperous and functioning well, despite having a robust set of government services (health care, parental leave, unemployment benefits, and the like).

Sweden has had to scale back their welfare state in nineties.  They are not doing so well now that a large portion of the Middle East has shown up on their doorstep.  In any case all of these countries have the same problems with debt that the rest of the west has.  In any event the more central planning is done then the less well your economy does.  The left generally doesn't understand economics at all and so completely discounts these effects.
(09-26-2016, 06:53 AM)Odin Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-26-2016, 03:32 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]I am well aware of the real cause for the war. But they used idealism (free black slaves) to justify the war and use people for what they really wanted. Not unlike religious wars.

The Civil War WAS about slavery, Tara, that is accepted by every legitimate historian. Galen is peddling extremist far-right wacko propaganda. The Civil War started because people in the southern states believed that they had a right to own other human beings.

"Lincoln later noted that this move was "partly on account of slavery" but mainly due to land title difficulties."
Yes it is wiki but the references are worth checking out from what I had a look at.
Lincoln and slavery
(09-26-2016, 06:53 AM)Odin Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-26-2016, 03:32 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]I am well aware of the real cause for the war. But they used idealism (free black slaves) to justify the war and use people for what they really wanted. Not unlike religious wars.

The Civil War WAS about slavery, Tara, that is accepted by every legitimate historian. Galen is peddling extremist far-right wacko propaganda. The Civil War started because people in the southern states believed that they had a right to own other human beings.

I have read actual quotes from people who were back in that era if you do not believe that it was about anything else other than slavery (which was from Lincoln's account and his past history supports this too) I can provide links to what I mean. I find quotes from the people of the time to be most interesting as people sometimes tend to forget the little details.
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