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(10-11-2016, 07:01 AM)Odin Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-10-2016, 06:37 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: [ -> ]Yup.  I love to deposit tobacco related debris by those "Tobacco Free Campus" signs at local schools. Big Grin  I deliberately gather cigarette butts, dip cans, and cigarette wrappers, and cigar butts and toss them beside those stupid signs. Cool

This is childish behavior and not something to be proud of.

I have to agree with you there. I do not get that kid of attitude of "sticking it to the man." Going against the law etc. If it says tobacco free do the respectable thing and smoke elsewhere. Some of us are asthmatic and should not be set off because of behaviour like that. I also cannot stand the smell of it. It is just inconsiderate but we are seeing an unsettling amount of inconsiderate behaviour lately. I hope this is not going to become the standard way of living.
(10-11-2016, 07:05 AM)Odin Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-10-2016, 10:45 PM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]Odin does but many have said I do not show any xer traits and given that i also am a foreign millie who was raised by a boomer who was ahead of her time in raising me and the fact i do not relate to xers it would be a stretch to say i have xer edginess.

Eric isn't wrong at the "angry" part for me, my short temper and tendency to be self-righteous are probably my biggest personality flaws.

Yeah you are probably right but then again some people are fucking annoying. That is why I prefer my cats. Feed me, cuddle me then leave me the fuck alone. Cats are simple creatures. Sleepy  But I was addressing the xer traits. I mean, I do not see many at all in you but in comparison to me by how you were raised compared to how I was raised is quite different. Under different laws too and I was raised under tighter protective laws for children by comparison. So all that has to be taken into consideration. By the time I came into this world the xer way of raising kids just was not done nor acceptable. I felt none of it.
(10-11-2016, 07:12 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-11-2016, 07:05 AM)Odin Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-10-2016, 10:45 PM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]Odin does but many have said I do not show any xer traits and given that i also am a foreign millie who was raised by a boomer who was ahead of her time in raising me and the fact i do not relate to xers it would be a stretch to say i have xer edginess.

Eric isn't wrong at the "angry" part for me, my short temper and tendency to be self-righteous are probably my biggest personality flaws.

Yeah you are probably right but then again some people are fucking annoying. That is why I prefer my cats. Feed me, cuddle me then leave me the fuck alone. Cats are simple creatures. Sleepy  But I was addressing the xer traits. I mean, I do not see many at all in you but in comparison to me by how you were raised compared to how I was raised is quite different. Under different laws too and I was raised under tighter protective laws for children by comparison. So all that has to be taken into consideration. By the time I came into this world the xer way of raising kids just was not done nor acceptable. I felt none of it.

Yeah, I was raised as a "latch-key kid" in a rural area, my parents often worked late so on many days I came home from school alone and had to take responsibility to do my homework. Or if my mom worked an evening shift (she was the manager of a bar) she would go to work at 6pm and not be home until after 2am.
(10-11-2016, 12:29 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-11-2016, 12:20 AM)Warren Dew Wrote: [ -> ]Also, could  someone help a newbie out and tell me how old Rag and X_4 are?
I believe they are close age-wise to each other. Rags was born 63 ....i think. He will correct me if i am wrong. But he is an early xer and i believe x_4 is an early xer too. I take it you are a late boom like my mother?
Thanks.  I was born in 1960, so late boom by S&H and the generally accepted definition, although I think John's theory has the cutoff in 1959.  I definitely seem to have more boom characteristics - arrogant, no sense of humor, all that stuff.
(10-11-2016, 10:22 AM)Warren Dew Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-11-2016, 12:29 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-11-2016, 12:20 AM)Warren Dew Wrote: [ -> ]Also, could  someone help a newbie out and tell me how old Rag and X_4 are?
I believe they are close age-wise to each other. Rags was born 63 ....i think. He will correct me if i am wrong. But he is an early xer and i believe x_4 is an early xer too. I take it you are a late boom like my mother?
Thanks.  I was born in 1960, so late boom by S&H and the generally accepted definition, although I think John's theory has the cutoff in 1959.  I definitely seem to have more boom characteristics - arrogant, no sense of humor, all that stuff.
Arrogant...yeah I have been that as a theme for them to the tune of my way or the highway (sometimes) and all should follow my example (more often than not). That is why it is so blatantly obvious for them in general. They are loud about it. No sense of humour though? I have seen way too many boomers with a fantastic sense of humour. My own mother included. One of my former early boomer teachers who took me in the design foundation course always a mischievous smile on his face. Always joking around. No, I do not see why you mentioned that. All generations have a sense of humour. But what can be analyzed is how the sense of humour changes characteristics over time.
(10-11-2016, 07:25 AM)Odin Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-11-2016, 07:12 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-11-2016, 07:05 AM)Odin Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-10-2016, 10:45 PM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]Odin does but many have said I do not show any xer traits and given that i also am a foreign millie who was raised by a boomer who was ahead of her time in raising me and the fact i do not relate to xers it would be a stretch to say i have xer edginess.

Eric isn't wrong at the "angry" part for me, my short temper and tendency to be self-righteous are probably my biggest personality flaws.

Yeah you are probably right but then again some people are fucking annoying. That is why I prefer my cats. Feed me, cuddle me then leave me the fuck alone. Cats are simple creatures. Sleepy  But I was addressing the xer traits. I mean, I do not see many at all in you but in comparison to me by how you were raised compared to how I was raised is quite different. Under different laws too and I was raised under tighter protective laws for children by comparison. So all that has to be taken into consideration. By the time I came into this world the xer way of raising kids just was not done nor acceptable. I felt none of it.

Yeah, I was raised as a "latch-key kid" in a rural area, my parents often worked late so on many days I came home from school alone and had to take responsibility to do my homework. Or if my mom worked an evening shift (she was the manager of a bar) she would go to work at 6pm and not be home until after 2am.
Yeah that is what made me think you were raised in a more xer environment. Remember guys, I am 2 years older than Odin. I was born in Christchurch, NZ and immediately I was thought of to be protected. To my mother that meant over-protect. She was a single parent. The law stated that she could not go out to look for work till I was 16 due to the fact it would be considered irresponsible and illegal to leave me without supervision. My mother mentioned this to me when I was 13 and she said if caught doing so she could be charged for it or even thrown in jail.

When I went off to school I was told by the teacher to report if my mother ever smacked me to call cyfs which is a family/child care support group which looks out for the well-being of kids. It was very frowned upon for a parent to smack a child. It was considered abuse. Nowadays of course it is illegal and deemed abusive. It was illegal for a teacher to smack a child so I never experienced being smacked by a teacher. Apparently our xers remember being smacked by them. Bike helmets were to be worn and it is illegal to not wear one when on a bike. Illegal for a child to not be buckled into a car seat and that applies to adults too. My generation was encouraged to get our parents to buckle up.  Of course all the usual things were illegal for us too (alcohol, tobacco, guns etc)

As for my mother's over-protection it was near impossible to get my mother to let me go anywhere or heaven forbid ride a bike and it just worsened when she found i had a heart condition. I was to be home instantly and if i was not home within 15 minutes after end of school i was grounded. I was grounded in fact for being 2 minutes late. It was stifling in there and I knew it was because my peers were not going through that smothering. They were protected but had a bit of freedom that I never enjoyed. I mean heck I was going through this even at 25 years old with her emailing my bosses about their treatment of me, freaking out because i am out at 10pm when i am just at a friends house having a few drinks and watching a movie with them (had to turn off my phone for that one after a while). I am leaving out a great deal but you get the picture.

So when i would get home from school i was met with my mother who would be cooking tea for us. I never had to bother with it till age 16. It was an eerie feeling to be on my own and cook my own tea when i reached age 16 and i missed my mother. I did not know what to do with myself and i was a bit scared. But after a while I grew used to it. So that is why I mentioned there is that massive difference between how this kiwi 1984 kiwi millennial who was raised with different laws applied to me and those around me to assure my protection as well as my mother's oddball way of raising me which was viewed as extreme at the time by fellow 84 millennials. Compare that to your experience and it makes for an interesting comparison does it not? Smile
(10-11-2016, 07:01 AM)Odin Wrote: [ -> ]This is childish behavior and not something to be proud of.

Tara Wrote:I have to agree with you there. I do not get that kid of attitude of "sticking it to the man." Going against the law etc. If it says tobacco free do the respectable thing and smoke elsewhere. Some of us are asthmatic and should not be set off because of behaviour like that. I also cannot stand the smell of it. It is just inconsiderate but we are seeing an unsettling amount of inconsiderate behaviour lately. I hope this is not going to become the standard way of living

I was raised and encouraged to question authority! Tongue   Besides the stupid sign said tobacco, not smoking.
Snus and chaw do not affect asthma.  And also, the stupid sign is outside of all places.  That sign is nothing but a patronizing piece of shit that deserves to be dissed.   Here's a childhood song that explains it.





Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool
It bloody well interferes with my asthma. You are in your 50s and doing this? Rather sad.
(10-11-2016, 05:14 PM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]It bloody well interferes with my asthma.


So folks who smoke downtown also do this?




You are in your 50s and doing this? Rather sad.

Yes. Once a rebel, always a rebel.  It's the principle of the matter.  People should never, ever be patronized with stupid signs like that. I was raised to stand up for whatever principles I deem important. I don't think you'll ever understand that.  After all, there's a lot of stuff "the man" does that are wrong.  'Nam was wrong, Watergate was wrong, the war on drugs is wrong, all of our wars of choice are wrong. People should never accept arrogant,stupid,selfish stuff "the man" does, ever!
(10-11-2016, 05:29 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-11-2016, 05:14 PM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]It bloody well interferes with my asthma.


So folks who smoke downtown also do this?




You are in your 50s and doing this? Rather sad.

Yes. Once a rebel, always a rebel.  It's the principle of the matter.  People should never, ever be patronized with stupid signs like that. I was raised to stand up for whatever principles I deem important. I don't think you'll ever understand that.  After all, there's a lot of stuff "the man" does that are wrong.  'Nam was wrong, Watergate was wrong, the war on drugs is wrong, all of our wars of choice are wrong. People should never accept arrogant,stupid,selfish stuff "the man" does, ever!

Those are noble things to question HOWEVER there is a difference between an intelligent conversation regarding the policies that work and do not work and how to properly fix those errors and a childish 50 something picking up cigarettes and dumping them in front of a sign. One is what intelligent adults engage in. The other is childish unproductive games.
(10-11-2016, 05:34 PM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]Those are noble things to question HOWEVER there is a difference between an intelligent conversation regarding the policies that work and do not work and how to properly fix those errors and a childish 50 something picking up cigarettes and dumping them in front of a sign. One is what intelligent adults engage in. The other is childish unproductive games.

OK fine, call me a Peter Pan or whatnot.  Now... I'd rather be a Peter Pan than some sheeple or lemming.  Sheeple and lemmings are those who choose not to think for themselves.  They are also the ones who choose to accept whatever tullprat the MSM spews. They are the ones who end up getting duped by scam phone calls. They are the ones who think "sugar is sugar" when Big Corn Syrup ads appear. They are the ones who believe in stock tips from the interwebs. And so it goes. Finally, I think this is the end of this conversation since I don't think you'll ever dig where I'm coming from.
(10-11-2016, 06:58 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-11-2016, 05:34 PM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]Those are noble things to question HOWEVER there is a difference between an intelligent conversation regarding the policies that work and do not work and how to properly fix those errors and a childish 50 something picking up cigarettes and dumping them in front of a sign. One is what intelligent adults engage in. The other is childish unproductive games.

OK fine, call me a Peter Pan or whatnot.  Now... I'd rather be a Peter Pan than some sheeple or lemming.  Sheeple and lemmings are those who choose not to think for themselves.  They are also the ones who choose to accept whatever tullprat the MSM spews. They are the ones who end up getting duped by scam phone calls. They are the ones who think "sugar is sugar" when Big Corn Syrup ads appear. They are the ones who believe in stock tips from the interwebs. And so it goes. Finally, I think this is the end of this conversation since I don't think you'll ever dig where I'm coming from.

There is a difference between being sheeple and acting your age in this single case. As I mentioned earlier, other cases which should be questioned are noble. This is petty and it is childish. It does nothing productive. Issues that need addressing should be done in an adult fashion to show some credibility.
(10-11-2016, 10:22 AM)Warren Dew Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks.  I was born in 1960, so late boom by S&H and the generally accepted definition, although I think John's theory has the cutoff in 1959.  I definitely seem to have more boom characteristics - arrogant, no sense of humor, all that stuff.

Wait, Boomers are supposed to have no sense of humor? I know a lot of funny Boomers.
(10-11-2016, 02:50 PM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]The law stated that she could not go out to look for work till I was 16 due to the fact it would be considered irresponsible and illegal to leave me without supervision. My mother mentioned this to me when I was 13 and she said if caught doing so she could be charged for it or even thrown in jail.

I know I've said it before, but this is just freaking ridiculous and honestly have a hard time believing it to be true. Are you sure that is actually the law and not something your crazy mom made up? Because it just seems THAT unbelievable to me.
(10-11-2016, 05:11 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: [ -> ]Snus and chaw do not affect asthma.

But it does give you oral cancer... Rolleyes
(10-12-2016, 07:02 AM)Odin Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-11-2016, 05:11 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: [ -> ]Snus and chaw do not affect asthma.

But it does give you oral cancer... Rolleyes

  The risk is minor.   Tongue  I'm more likely to meet my end in a car wreck.  So... the best thing to do  for myself is to limit the amount of driving I do.  That means buying stuff on Amazon.  I also know exactly what's in my snus since I make it myself so I can avoid all of those stupid taxes.
(10-11-2016, 02:27 PM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-11-2016, 10:22 AM)Warren Dew Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-11-2016, 12:29 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-11-2016, 12:20 AM)Warren Dew Wrote: [ -> ]Also, could  someone help a newbie out and tell me how old Rag and X_4 are?
I believe they are close age-wise to each other. Rags was born 63 ....i think. He will correct me if i am wrong. But he is an early xer and i believe x_4 is an early xer too. I take it you are a late boom like my mother?
Thanks.  I was born in 1960, so late boom by S&H and the generally accepted definition, although I think John's theory has the cutoff in 1959.  I definitely seem to have more boom characteristics - arrogant, no sense of humor, all that stuff.
Arrogant...yeah I have been that as a theme for them to the tune of my way or the highway (sometimes) and all should follow my example (more often than not). That is why it is so blatantly obvious for them in general. They are loud about it. No sense of humour though? I have seen way too many boomers with a fantastic sense of humour. My own mother included. One of my former early boomer teachers who took me in the design foundation course always a mischievous smile on his face. Always joking around. No, I do not see why you mentioned that. All generations have a sense of humour. But what can be analyzed is how the sense of humour changes characteristics over time.

I guess I was mostly thinking of use of humor in argument.  Xers often use humor to defuse the tension  associated with disagreement.  I don't think Boomers do that as much.
(10-12-2016, 07:00 AM)Odin Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-11-2016, 02:50 PM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]The law stated that she could not go out to look for work till I was 16 due to the fact it would be considered irresponsible and illegal to leave me without supervision. My mother mentioned this to me when I was 13 and she said if caught doing so she could be charged for it or even thrown in jail.

I know I've said it before, but this is just freaking ridiculous and honestly have a hard time believing it to be true. Are you sure that is actually the law and not something your crazy mom made up? Because it just seems THAT unbelievable to me.

No Odin I looked it up myself. It is true.
(10-12-2016, 10:26 AM)Warren Dew Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-11-2016, 02:27 PM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-11-2016, 10:22 AM)Warren Dew Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-11-2016, 12:29 AM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-11-2016, 12:20 AM)Warren Dew Wrote: [ -> ]Also, could  someone help a newbie out and tell me how old Rag and X_4 are?
I believe they are close age-wise to each other. Rags was born 63 ....i think. He will correct me if i am wrong. But he is an early xer and i believe x_4 is an early xer too. I take it you are a late boom like my mother?
Thanks.  I was born in 1960, so late boom by S&H and the generally accepted definition, although I think John's theory has the cutoff in 1959.  I definitely seem to have more boom characteristics - arrogant, no sense of humor, all that stuff.
Arrogant...yeah I have been that as a theme for them to the tune of my way or the highway (sometimes) and all should follow my example (more often than not). That is why it is so blatantly obvious for them in general. They are loud about it. No sense of humour though? I have seen way too many boomers with a fantastic sense of humour. My own mother included. One of my former early boomer teachers who took me in the design foundation course always a mischievous smile on his face. Always joking around. No, I do not see why you mentioned that. All generations have a sense of humour. But what can be analyzed is how the sense of humour changes characteristics over time.

I guess I was mostly thinking of use of humor in argument.  Xers often use humor to defuse the tension  associated with disagreement.  I don't think Boomers do that as much.
Ah I see. Yes THAT would be definitely true. My ex who is an xer used it all the freaking time and it drove me bonkers as to me it seemed he was being insincere and as i have no xer relatives in my family here in NZ i had not really encountered it before especially to that degree and i did not know how to deal with it. It seemed like i could not have a sincere relationship with him and there was massive disconnect. No, boomers that i have encountered say what they want and they mean it. Which I prefer tbh. At least you know what is going on with them. I can connect with them far more than with that childish use of humour when you are trying to have a serious conversation. Unless you get the silent treatment that is....

There is a right place for humour and a wrong time too. When having a serious conversation that needs to be cleared up there and then time to be an adult. When it is a more light hearted conversation go for it. Just me though. It was like I was dating a child. I could never have a serious conversation with him and I craved it for a deeper relationship..
(10-08-2016, 03:58 PM)Mikebert Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-07-2016, 04:57 PM)FLBones Wrote: [ -> ]The youngest of the Millies are in the 6th grade now and within 6 years, they'll all be in rising adulthood. After this, the eldest Millennials will be nearing their 40s and start to bring about their civic traits now that they have more control over society. A war is likely to occur in the early 2020s but the economy will boom.

It seems you accept 2003 as the last millennial birth year.
yes, 2003-2005. somewhere around there. we won't for sure yet until another ten years at least. Everyone born in the 2010s will be artists. the next set of prophets will probably begin to be born in about 8-11 years from now.
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