There are some posters here who are just in a complete froth about the notion of a strong government.

I could have been one of them, had I continued on the path of "hate government no matter what."

To be fair about such sentiments, when Reagan said "government is the problem" he was looking at a government that had taken the New Deal and subsequently the Great Society way past what government should have been. It was liberal bloat. That was then, this is now.

We are in a 4th turning. The Civics are going to make government great again.

The Xers and Boomers who cling to the 3T are going to hate it.

I think what we are seeing is the Red Boomers and Red Xers are really acting out now because everyone knows the real Regeneracy is coming. The real Regeneracy will make government OK again. It will be considered an extremist belief to hate government. This will be especially true once we complete the 4T and start the 1T.

So, all haters here, continue your hate fest. Burn yourselves out really well. This is your last chance to espouse 3T thinking.

Here's one PoV:

Name the generation or archetype of each of the following fictional characters from TV, film, and literature:

Jessica Jones (Jessica Jones)
Daria Morgandorffer (Daria)
Nucky Thompson (Boardwalk Empire)
Jay Gatsby (The Great Gatsby)
Tony "Iron Man" Stark (MCU)
Sally Draper (Mad Men)
Tony Soprano (The Sopranos)
Scarlett O' Hara (Gone With the Wind)
Wolverine (X-Men)
Kevin Arnold (The Wonder Years)

One of the marks of good taste is restraint. Excess is always in bad taste. If you can't  stand vulgar excess, then I suggest that you leave this thread.

This Trump Tower would make me sick:



This glitz goes beyond Neiman-Marcus in Dallas, which, when I lived in the Dallas area, exemplified the values of the nouveau-riche.

This is a Trump Tower. Some people might be impressed. Not I. Really-bad taste transcends national boundaries.  



This reeks of "Arab oil sheikh" with unlimited funds and little connection to reality. The people for whom this tackiness was built was the Ceausescu family. Except for the foliage more characteristic of Kalamazoo than of Kuwait it could be used as a movie set for some Middle Eastern potentate whose family gets half his nation's GDP. Of course, for someone who really was middle-Eastern and is likely now residing with Nicolae and Elena Ceausescu in a not-so-splendid setting:




Saddam Hussein, of course. That's an American soldier desecrating his swimming pool by simply swimming in it. Sultans at Constantinople may have never had it so plush. Dreadful taste in interior design, wouldn't you think? OK, that was the least of his offenses, as we must not forget him gassing the Kurds.

For a true nouveau-riche kleptocrat , just take a look at what Viktor Yanukovich had to offer:




He spent money, but he wasted it badly. I can;t say what my tastes are...

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/donal...-reviewed/

(03-11-2017, 10:46 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(03-11-2017, 09:50 AM)Galen Wrote: Those of us who have worked in such places and considered the economics understand this.  Truth is, I would rather got to a Thai restaurant but then you can't throw a dead cat without hitting one of those where I live.  I may spend a little more but the food is much better than any fast food joint.  Indeed, some of the best Thai food I encountered was from a food cart in Portland in near PSU.  I went their every chance I got.

As for the economics involved it is clear you have more of a clue than Eric the Obtuse or Odin will ever have.

As for understanding the economic implications in deciding where to eat I don't know if I should feel complemnted or insulted at the comparison to Eric or Odin.  I mean it isn't that hard to be intellectually superior to Eric (my 5 year old nephew is and he struggles with Dr. Seuss--which is hardly high literature).  As for Odin, I think his problem is he's incredibly naive.  Somehow he's managed to avoid life kicking the shit out of him--but he can't avoid it forever and he'll ether wise up or flounder.

(03-11-2017, 04:06 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: You know, the way divorces usually work. 

Or how the mega-saeculum is subdivided.

Those of you who've been on this board and the old one know that I subscribe to a mega-saeculum theory.  This theory is similar to but unique from other such theories.  Firstly I not only have a mega-saeculum and the recognized saeculum, but also micro-turnings within each turning of the saeculum.

I've tried to explain this at various times in the past, not always with success.  I also fully believe that there will be some degree of historical push back on my views (particularly those with clear ideological and cultural bias against my theory in particular).  First we should examine each component part of the Mega-Saeculum, Saeculum and the micro-turnings.  Next we will examine the two themes of sacula within a mega-saeculum.  Some have likened the regular swing of these two themes as a driver of the mega-saeculum but rather I think they are counter-weights to keep things intact.  Finally it should be firmly realized that while the symbology of a circle may in fact be used, the reality of history is that it more like a series of spirals.  The old saying "you can't step into the same river twice" rings true.

THE MEGA-SAECULUM

Generally speaking a mega-saeculum is the expansion of the recognized saeculum system over the course of many saecula.  This pattern in so far as we can tell always manifests itself in a series of four saecula, which in turn are composed of four turnings themselves composed of four micro-turnings.

Given there is some debate as to the length of a saeculum history seems to indicate that there are two recognized saeculum lengths.  Approximately 100-120 years for a pre-industiralized society and around 80 years for an industrialized society.  It remains to be seen if a post-industrial society can ever be formed as anything more than the smoking crater of where an industrialized society used to be.

As I won't discuss in detail the length of saecula here suffice it to say that this issue has been studied in depth by others and that I would agree that there is in fact a Saeculum A for pre-industiral societies and a Saeculum B for industrial societies.  The times for both are approximate and a variation of less than a full generation (approximately 20 years based on human biology) is not considered substantial enough evidence to promote the idea that there may be a Saeculum C.

As such Mega-Saecula wherein all or most of the saecula contained within it are Saeculum A's such a mega-saeculum would be between 400 and 480 years in duration.  Historians who proposed cyclical historical models prior to S&H seem to settle in the 500 years range.

As such one can propose a late middle ages mega-saeculum lasting from about 900 C.E. to approximately 1400 C.E.  I would argue that the Late Middle ages really ended some time shortly after the Black Death years of the 1350s, in a Mega-Crisis that lasted until around 1400 C.E. with the break down of the feudal system in Western Europe.  Since I wish to focus primarily on modern times we will not concern ourselves with saecula prior to 1400 C.E.  Also almost two full mega-saecula on from that turning point the Late Medieval Mega-Saeculum is not terribly important for our work here.

A Mega-Saecula wherein  all or most of the saecula contained within it are Saeculum B's would be between 280 and 320 years in duration.

Each Mega-Saeculum is composed of four distinct parts.  These parts are of course saecula and they follow a distinct pattern.

A Mega-Resolution/Exposition (or a first turning--commonly called a High amongst students of S&H) [It closes out the previous Mega-Saeculum and sets up the following Mega-Saeculum]

A Mega-Awakening (or a second turning)  [in a traditional plot timeline as you'd learn about in school this can be likened to rising action or rather the start of the rising action--the ideas of the mega-saeculum are usually birthed in this part]

A Mega-Unraveling (or third turning)  [A stasis point among two or more main ideas that are relevant to the mega-saeculum for example parliamentarian-ism verses divine right of kings]

A Mega-Crisis (or fourth turning) [a period of rapidly rising action until a climax point is hit and then rapidly falling action to the next Mega-Resolution/Exposition]

The Mega-Saeculum constitutes the first wheel.

THE SAECULUM

By and large my theories about the saeculum itself are contained in the works of S&H except for two main points.

First that the first turning is not necessarily a "High".  First turnings need not be triumphant, or even victorious.  Some are, some are not.  This is why I tend to use the terms Resolution-Exposition (R/E) or simply first turning, or even more simply 1T.

Second, is their apparent absence of a Civic Generation within the Civil War Saeculum.  While it appears that they did not detect it, I would argue that there is one, however, it mostly died out on the fields in such places as Gettysburg, Chickamauga and Chancellorsville.  It was noted in the Great Power Saeculum which followed it by many that some would use "the bloody shirt" so as to obtain power.  That is to say that by virtue of being a veteran of the Civil War they expected deference.  A clear civic trait in the following saeculum. 

Just to reiterate the works each saeculum is composed of four turnings.

A Resolution-Exposition turning.  Serves the same purpose as the pattern in the Mega-Saeculum.
An Awakening turning.  Serves the same purpose as the pattern in the Mega-Saeculum
An Unraveling turning.  Serves the same purpose as the pattern in the Mega-Saeculum
A Crisis Turning.  Serves the same purpose as the pattern in the Mega-Saeculum.

The Saeculum composes the second wheel.

THE TWO-STROKE REGULATOR

Over the years much has been written about a pattern that appears within Mega-Saecula.  It is assumed by some to be a driving force within the mega-saeculum.  While that is possible, I do not think it to be probable.  Rather I would take it to be a regulator so as to maintain equiliberium within the mega-saeculum.

Some use the terms Apollonian and Dionysian to describe the two strokes of the regulator.  I prefer the terms Advancement (as it deals primarily with material advances) and Atonement (as it often deals with cultural including religious issues and movements).

Advancement Saeculum

Adaptive: Comes of age in an emerging cultural consensus, feels free to start questioning society's dominant ideologies.
Idealist: Rebels against the dominant ideological consensus of society laid down in the previous Advancement 4T.
Nomad: Is annoyed by the Prophets' ideological debates and focuses on culture.
Civic: Establishes a new ideological consensus.

Atonement Saeculum

Adaptive: Comes of age in an emerging ideological consensus, feels free to start questioning social norms and accepted spiritual truths.
Idealist: Rebels against the dominant cultural consensus of society laid down in the previous Atonement 4T.
Nomad: Is annoyed by the Prophets' cultural debates and focuses on ideological issues.
Civic: Establishes a new cultural consensus.


It should be noted that the regulator does not fit into the saeculums securely as it starts with Adaptive Generations rather than Idealist Generations.  That is to say it is an adaption to the change of the Saeculum.  It should also be noted that it appears that advancement saecula occur during the Mega-Awakening and the Mega-Crisis while atonement saecula occur during the Mega-R/E and Mega-Crisis.

Further the pattern established for the two-stroke regulator is not mine, the hypothesis as to why it exists however is. 

The Two-Stroke regulator is the third wheel and like a gyroscope it is off-set so as to help balance the whole.

TURNINGS AND MICRO-TURNINGS

I won't deal with turnings much.  S&H have done far more than is in my poor power.  Rather, I will suffice it to say that each saeculum is composed of four turnings so there are a total of 16 turnings per Mega-Saeculum.  Suffice it to say that each turning is itself composed of micro-turnings (generally of 4-7 years duration) that follow the established patterns for the Mega-Saeculum and the Saeculum.

Once one gets down to this level one really starts splitting hairs but one can see it as the progression of each turning.

chiggidy check yo self before you wreck yo self

It's no secret that 2010's is a repeat of the 1930's, but does it also do that in Music? Who's our "Benny Goodman" that we Milennials will resort to in isolation in the 2040's and 2050's? What kind of musical development awaits us accoring to the Saeculum? And what music will our coming Prophet generation revolt with? These are my questions here.

No, you're just a nutjob, latching on to conspiracy theories to fill your life with meaning.