Children Separated From Parents At The Border Heard In Heartbreaking New Audio
An eight-minute audio clip released by ProPublica features a U.S. Border Patrol agent making jokes about an “orchestra” of wailing children.

By Doha Madani

ProPublica, a nonprofit news organization, published audio on Monday of children crying out for their parents at a U.S. Customs and Border Protection facility.

The nearly eight-minute recording is of 10 Central American children who were separated from their parents last week by immigration authorities at the border, according to ProPublica.

A U.S. Border Patrol agent can be heard in the audio clip making a joke about the wailing children.

“Well, we have an orchestra here,” the agent says. “What’s missing is a conductor.”

The person who made the recording asked not to be identified out of fear of retaliation, ProPublica reports. HuffPost has not independently confirmed the authenticity of the recording.

At one point in the clip, a 6-year-old Salvadoran girl begs a consulate worker to call her aunt, whose number she’d memorized in case she was separated from her family.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pro...b9e9a3d035

“My mommy says that I’ll go with my aunt and that she’ll come to pick me up there as quickly as possible,” the unidentified girl says.

President Donald Trump’s administration announced the family separation policy in May as a part of a “zero tolerance” crackdown on illegal immigration to the United States. The practice of taking children from parents who illegally enter the country has ignited bipartisan backlash.

Trump has blamed Democrats amid mounting criticism, saying the crackdown was a result of inaction on border security in Congress. However, the family separations are entirely the result of Trump administration policy.
Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen also falsely purported the claim that the Trump administration’s tactic of taking children from their families at the border was an enforcement of the law.

There is no law requiring immigrant families to be separated, even if they are crossing the border illegally. Previous administrations allowed families to face deportation proceedings together in civil court.
 
Nielsen said at a Monday press briefing that she did not hear the recording of the children and referred reporters to the department’s “standards” in treating the kids.

New York Magazine reporter Olivia Nuzzi played the audio in the background while Nielsen defended the family separation policy. 



“I would have waited until I was called on to play it, but I was not being called on,” Nuzzi wrote on Twitter. “After another reporter’s phone began loudly ringing with a melodic jingle, I figured the briefing room could probably deal with a more important disturbance.”
Family separation ordered by the administration has resulted in nearly 2,000 children being separated from their parents in six weeks. There have been 1,995 children taken from 1,940 adults at the border from April 19 to May 31, The Associated Press reported.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions officially announced the change in policy in May, though some cases indicate the practice was in place for months before. The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit in February on behalf of a Congolese asylum-seeker who was separated from her 7-year-old daughter. The ACLU is seeking a nationwide injunction to stop the Trump administration’s policy, claiming it is a violation of the Fifth Amendment’s right to due process.

Heavens To Elvis, the world went even madder.

To sum up, my job gave me an MI. I had to quit. Engineering and IT are nakedly ageist. So, I've been filling in with my own gigs, and temp work. I live on water, and oatmeal. I've lost teeth, because I could not afford dental care. I have no health insurance- the ACA is a mockery in my red state.

I no longer watch the news, or follow politics closely anymore. Possible Crisis sign?

I've pretty much given up, especially after November 2017. My own state's governor was forced to resign by his *fellow Republicans* due to his shenanigans. Criminal charges are up in the air, still.

I can't even get PBS in my low-rent apartment. All I watch is over the internet, and that is rare. I literally am disconnected from modern society.

Perhaps this is how Crisis' come about- the last restraints are gone. Those who care have given up.

I'm competing in the job market with persons thirty or more years my junior. I get glowing interviews, then rejections. Another Crisis sign?

I hope my past adversaries on the 4T message boards are happy, now. Gloat away. You got what you wanted. Now, America has truly become the madhouse we feared back in the early 2000's.

I shall await, with interest, from the Salvation Army shelter. If I last long enough.

Ahhh. Feel much better now.

Up to now, I haven't seen enough to make me say with any immediate concern, but now we are starting to see the whole "they are developing..............." blah blah.  Just like Saddam's mystical yellow cake connection.  The concern is in bold.  The way has already been paved by America and exacerbated by America in various ways.... and now the propaganda can begin unspooling to the revelation of some NEW "axis of evil" where we'll all be indoctrinated about Iran developing the capability to destroy Israel which it has been claiming to "wipe from the map" (a linguistic mistranslation that continues because it serves the coming agenda) since forever.  And rump hasn't helped by 1) withdrawing from signatory and 2) installing U.S. embassy in Jerusalem.  This war is being fully propagated by people who believe it MUST happen.......... and also by people living in hermetic caves who want to show you The Copper Scroll of the Essenes to prove that Netanyahu-esque mid-east leaders are right now fulfilling prophecy.... and that a divine hand guides these movements.  The Davidic/Solomonic temple is going to be restored and then Yahweh will return in the form of Christ to destroy all our enemies.  Only then can their be peace.

"We will destroy the Jedi, THEN we will restore peace to the galaxy" - Lord Sidious.

So YAY boomers, there may actually be a Dark Phoenix scenario after all.   You guys have had the best lives!   Growing up wanting for nothing, having the mobility to reject everything as you search for drugs, sex and self-expansion.... then when you felt like it (in your 40s and 50s) to spawn and nest in a cushy corporate space with a golden parachute.  You weren't able to play soccer with your teen child because of your arthritis (cause you are old enough to be their grandparent) and finally, leaving public life during a real Drive-In horror flick that everyone else has to deal with while you fade into dementia in a woodland rest home.  Not all of you.  But it's surely a run-of-the-mill scenario.

And you know I'm just messing with you all.     <--- me TheNomadAngel holds no punches

Ok but seriously, is this showing signs of the beginning of patterns we have seen so many times, where we build up the enemy slowly, then we say it has broken international law, then we say they are developing threatening weapons which could reach the U.S. mainland, then suddenly from nowhere there is an attack which shifts national mood into supporting the attack of Iran at all cost?  Have we seen this before?  How many times?  I dare say it goes back to Pearl Harbor where it was known the Japanese fleet was on the way and was allowed to attack as a method of propagating HUGE nationalistic support to enter a war the American people wanted to be in anyway. Still using comics to make a point, the issue of Captain America slugging adolph hitler in the jaw came out much before America was even involved in the war. The sentiment was there. It just needed a critical event to set everything in motion.

I have the ability to argue every side of any topic.   It's a gift.  So, I am challenging my own views on the saeculum and the Crisis as not-yet-finished.  Personally, I love to be challenged.  I love to be exposed to things I don't believe.  I do not enjoy echo chambers.  A group f people sitting around agreeing is possibly my worst nightmare and represents total emptiness and waste of time and brain function.  So, some of you may think I blast you out of disagreement, however, I'm pushing for something more real than some of you are giving.  I consider that an admirable quality.  It means if I can't deal with what you are saying, your argument is maybe just weak and I have no real interest in it.

Sorry to ramble, but if someone tells me about a book or something like a documentary that THEY FEEL is an extremely good representation of their POV, I will usually make it a point to watch it or read it.  I don't feel that "spirit" here where some of those I've been fortunate enough to interact with, I feel like WHY waste my resources to offer to someone who would never read or expose themselves to it UNLESS they first knew it was filled with information they already believe.  I'll never understand that concept

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WORLD NEWS 06/05/2018 06:33 am ET
Iran Starts Work On Advanced Centrifuges
Iran will adhere to its 2015 nuclear deal with world powers, the director of its Atomic Energy Organization says

BEIRUT (Reuters) - Iran has begun work on infrastructure to build advanced centrifuges at its Natanz facility but will adhere to its 2015 nuclear deal with world powers, the director of Iran’s Atomic Energy Organisation Ali Akbar Salehi said on Tuesday.

On Monday Iran’s Supreme Leader said he had ordered preparations to increase uranium enrichment capacity if the nuclear deal falls apart after the U.S. withdrawal from it in May.

According to a spokesman for Iran’s nuclear agency, Tehran will inform the U.N. nuclear watchdog in Vienna on Tuesday that it had started the process to increase uranium enrichment capacity.

The decision by the United States to withdraw from the nuclear agreement has cast doubt on whether the remaining signatories will be able to preserve the deal.

The developing of infrastructure for building advanced centrifuges at the Natanz facility is moving along quickly, Salehi said in a news conference broadcast on state television.

“If we were progressing normally, it would have taken six or seven years, but this will now be ready in the coming weeks and months,” Salehi said.

Iran has also developed the capacity to produce electricity at Natanz, Salehi said, a site which lies around 300 kilometers (186 miles) south of Tehran.

Salehi said none of Iran’s nuclear activities would violate Tehran’s landmark deal with world powers, under which it strictly limits uranium enrichment capacity to satisfy the powers that it could not be used to develop atomic bombs.

In exchange, Iran received relief from sanctions, most of which were rescinded in January 2016.

The deal allows Iran to continue 3.67 percent uranium enrichment, far below the roughly 90 percent threshold of weapons-grade. Before the deal was reached, Tehran enriched uranium to up to 20 percent purity.

(Reporting By Babak Dehghanpisheh; Editing by Raissa Kasolowsky)

I noticed thread views are not using unique IP hits.  Would it not be better to only count unique hits?  Any users could inflate views to threads by simply spam-clicking.  I don't think it would be that hard.  It would also give an honest account of viewership.

a suggestion

I decided this belongs in Turnings, not Generations, because it looks at all generations in the Fourth Turning.


Years ago, well over a decade ago, I had a web site called “Generation Watch” where I blogged about current events and news stories from a generations perspective. I had a page there for news story submissions where I listed the sorts of patterns and trends to expect of each generation, in both the Third and Fourth Turnings. The text was cribbed from The Fourth Turning by Strauss and Howe.

I moved that page to another location and was thinking I would revisit the observations and apply them to the current social era – about halfway through the Fourth Turning with the climax still ahead. Here’s the link-

http://home.mindspring.com/~saecularpage...okFor.html

I would love to hear responses about what people on this forum think the authors got right or wrong, or whether or not the list I put together accurately reflects their theory.

Was 911 and the following affect on American culture along with the several wars after 911 and the change in national mood part of the Crisis portion of this saeculum we are now in?

If not, why? 

If you think it was, let's discuss exactly how it was part of this Crisis period along with the 2008 financial crisis.  I come from a place these two things have composed the Crisis that is on the way out.  Feel free to disagree but please don't say the same things that have been said over and over.  Either 911 was just a random thing that happened and was no part of the Crisis or it WAS part of the Crisis and some people's yearly brackets for Turnings need to be adjusted by half a decade or so.

WASHINGTON — Riding in a motorcade in Lima, Peru, shortly after the 2016 election, President Barack Obama was struggling to understand Donald J. Trump’s victory.

“What if we were wrong?” he asked aides riding with him in the armored presidential limousine.

He had read a column asserting that liberals had forgotten how important identity was to people and had promoted an empty cosmopolitan globalism that made many feel left behind. “Maybe we pushed too far,” Mr. Obama said. “Maybe people just want to fall back into their tribe.”

His aides reassured him that he still would have won had he been able to run for another term and that the next generation had more in common with him than with Mr. Trump. Mr. Obama, the first black man elected president, did not seem convinced. “Sometimes I wonder whether I was 10 or 20 years too early,” he said.

In the weeks after Mr. Trump’s election, Mr. Obama went through multiple emotional stages, according to a new book by his longtime adviser Benjamin J. Rhodes. At times, the departing president took the long view, at other points, he flashed anger. He called Mr. Trump a “cartoon” figure who cared more about his crowd sizes than any particular policy. And he expressed rare self-doubt, wondering whether he had misjudged his own influence on American history.

Set to be published next week by Random House, Mr. Rhodes’s memoir, “The World as It Is,” offers a peek into Mr. Obama’s tightly sealed inner sanctum from the perspective of one of the few people who saw him up close through all eight years of his presidency. Few moments shook Mr. Obama more than the decision by voters to replace him with a candidate who had questioned his very birth.

Mr. Rhodes served as Mr. Obama’s deputy national security adviser through some of the most consequential points of his presidency, including decisions to authorize the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, send more troops to Afghanistan, pull most troops out of Iraq, restore diplomatic relations with Cuba, seal a nuclear agreement with Iran, intervene militarily in Libya and refuse to intervene militarily in Syria.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/30/us/po...hodes.html

I've no idea how many reading this are spanning their attention to popular cinema.  But Marvel is pumping out archetypes with great precision.  Captain America is a G.I. Hero coming from the WWII era.  Born in 1918, he's the epitome of the G.I. Hero archetype.  He just wants to do the right thing.  Denied service due to poor health, he is imbued with a secret serum making him a powerful soldier.  If you saw Captain America: The First Avenger we get a really good look at that generation.  They attend the Stark Expo where the future is within the grasp of the ordinary American through the power of technology.  This is the generation that solved the great crises of their time and the sky was the limit.

At the end of the war, Cap goes down in a plane and is frozen in ice for about 70 years, discovered in our modern era.  A man out of time. 

As with most Marvel characters, the film score assigns little bits of of musical theme which offers the different heroes their unique spot on the team.  I noticed in the film Avengers: Infinity War they gave a brief moment of Cap's theme to SPIDER-MAN!  It didn't strike me at first.  But after following that thread, it became apparent to me Spidey is the new Captain America.  He's the new Hero archetype - a Millennial to Cap's G.I..  Then I followed that into Spider-Man: Homecoming and noticed even more superlatives concerning the world of Spider-Man.  Peter's school is brand new.  All the kids in the school are so far beyond well-behaved and straight-edged.  None of them are drinking or doing drugs, they are not on inner quests of self discovery, Spidey swings through neighborhoods that are reminiscent of the G.I. homefronts with their postage-stamp lawns (albeit larger and more opulent) and there is a general optimism not seen in today's plethora of dystopia.

The fact Spidey becomes an Avenger is no small thing.  He is LITERALLY christened shoulder-to-shoulder by resident Boomer Iron Man.  In any other world or circumstance but quasi science fiction, we could never have two residual Hero archetypes existing at the same time.  Steve Rogers and that 'greatest generation' is returning right before our eyes with the preeminent Millenial/Artist Peter Parker.  The christening of Spider-Man could be a fictional symbol that the Hero has, in fact, returned and with the same M.O. as the WWII generation.

Peter gets out of school and rushes out to get his suit on to go web slinging.  I was shocked when I actually paid attention the ALLEY where he changes into his uniform is pretty much a clean space - no drunks or druggies, no sludge on the ground or walls.... and this hearkens back to Steve fighting the bully in THAT alley........ same cleanliness.  Not like we picture an ALLEY in NYC today.  The streets of Steve Rogers in the 1940s are clean and swept by business owners, people are dressed in good clothes to go out on those streets, and the same is true in the Queens we see in Homecoming.  The pattern is beginning to repeat.  This does not mean there are not filthy alleys (lol) only that the same collective unconscious is swinging around again: a desire for order, cleanliness, purity, heroism at cost of self, a time when institutions are becoming positive arbiters of the future, when community is coalescing again, et al.

I'm a strong believer we see things in popular media far before we see it in real life.  I just thought it was a great parallel between Steve and Peter as portrayed in the films.  Not to mention Steve is probably gonna die soon which leaves Peter to pick up that clean-cut positivity and good-natured spirit we all need and know arrives with the new Hero archetype.

Hello, I am doing research and writing about the Hero genre in film and even popular culture which ushered in the Millennial generation of the 21st Century.

I cannot recall if discussion of Jung's Collective Unconscious is found in the Generations book or The 4th Turning or if I heard the authors speak about it in their talks/lectures.  It simply means the manifestation of the archetype is something which exists outside of our timespace.  It is universal.  No matter what happened, there would be the idea of or need for these cycles and archetypes among modern man. 

In the middle of a Nomad cycle, there appear films sagas: Lord of the Rings, The Matrix, even Star Wars prequels: in the years just before and just after the Crisis period beginning in 2001.  These Heroic films deal with complex OR very simple Hero archetypes who are somehow chosen by an unknown Force to fulfill a destiny.  It seems like there is a calling of the archetype that builds into fruition and along with the growth and development of the archetype; possibly bringing it to pass even?  Who knows what forces are working in the unknown? 

Through the beginnings of Crisis, we see what began very humbly with the Marvel Cinematic franchise.  A shared world of Superheroes and Supervillains of all kinds, battling every problem imaginable by uniting disparate forces from various walks to come together and WIN.  Is it any wonder these films hold such fascination?  A full decade later, Marvel Cinema is still at the very top of Hollywood; no one is tired.  These Heroes are now more specific.  We can see ourselves in them.  They are no longer in a computer Matrix or Galaxy Far away.  

These will eventually die out.  However, while struck in the right chord with historical sways, the theme can strike hard and go long periods without fatigue or rest.  The Hero archetype is just now coming to mid-life, they are gaining some power over their surroundings, and we expect them to save us.  That's what they are supposed to do.  We have been primed for this message.  The Heroes themselves have been primed for this message.  The Force guides all?

If anyone is studying the Jungian connection with S&H, or like the Hero archetype or Marvel (lol) respond

Hi, intro, I'm new and just joined today.  Any help with where things happen here is appreciated.  I simply popped into this area because it looked like where the content I was posting would belong.

Surely, speculation about the end of the current bracket has been discussed here. I've not seen anything in the past posts. So, hopefully this is to see if anyone is out there. The authors don't view the Crisis 4T as until 2008. Based on the end bracket of the Heroes (supposedly 2005) it seems right to bracket the Crisis on a more 2001 (9-11) model instead of the financial crash of 2008. What does anyone think? And after THIS, perhaps the location of the 1st Turning High might become more apparent.