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Alabama Executes Brandon Samra
#21
(05-20-2019, 01:14 AM)taramarie Wrote: Check this out guys. Is this for real? No seriously, is this for real??

https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectu...1m4Yqlqhg/

Yes Tara, it is real.  It is also Alabama which is a backwards backwater among backwards backwaters.  Laws like this have been tried before and they have always been struck down.  I don't see how it would survive judicial review.

For the record. I actually like Alabama.
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#22
I hope you are correct that this law will not pass judicial review as this is appalling.
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#23
The Hard Right has lost all respect for legal precedent.
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#24
Well it is quite dangerous for starters a 12 year old girl giving birth. Their bodies are not fully prepared for that so it can be quite dangerous.
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#25
(05-21-2019, 03:29 AM)taramarie Wrote: Well it is quite dangerous for starters a 12 year old girl giving birth. Their bodies are not fully prepared for that so it can be quite dangerous.

Agreed, and apparently of no concern to the male legislators who passed the stupid law in the first place.  On the other and, the governor is a woman, who should certainly have known better but didn't.  Shame on all of them, but more so on a woman who would subject a girl to that kind of abuse.
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#26
Let me explain how I understand the Hard Right on sex. Humanity is above all else 'sinful' -- and evil, capable of salvation only through Jesus. Even with such salvation, shaky as it is, one must resist sin of any kind through heroic means to avoid losing salvation. All human happiness other than religious ecstasy is suspect. Life is to be suffered on behalf of God's chosen people (the economic elites) to the point that life is thoroughly odious. Above all, women are to be in complete submission to husbands even if those husbands are brutes. In return for an earthly Hell of deprivation, economic insecurity, and personal debasement people of adequate faith get "pie in the sky when you die".

It is all irrational, but reason itself is a snare of Satan. Ignorance is innocence, and thought (especially something so wicked as biological evolution and any other deviation from young-earth creationism) is suspect as it might lead one away from a "godly" life.

....First of all, if this is nonsense to you -- it is nonsense because you have no room for a sadistic god. You may belong to some other Christian denomination if you are a Christian. If I am to suggest Roman Catholicism -- the Catholic Church is fully for as much learning as is possible because formal learning allows one to have better means (rational processes and knowledge) with which to resist at the least the crudest temptations for self-destructive behavior. Evolution? The Church hierarchy accepts it as obvious fact, and it is best that temptations away from the Church do not include science. Fundamentalist Christianity in contrast sees science as another snare of Satan. Liberal Protestantism? Much the same.

The Catholic Church is opposed to abortion and contraception, probably on arguments that such are inconsistent with having souls to bless... but at least that has a humanitarian agenda. There is little humane about Fundamentalist Christianity.

A twelve-year-old girl is unready for pregnancy, not only emotionally but physically. Add to this, sex involving an eleven-year-old or twelve-year-old girl is rape.
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#27
(05-20-2019, 10:59 PM)taramarie Wrote: I hope you are correct that this law will not pass judicial review as this is appalling.

It won't.  This isn't the first time such laws have been tried and it won't be the last but each time they have been struck down.  The SCOTUS rarely reverses itself.  Usually when it does it is because the previous ruling was a gross injustice such as Dred Scott (where the majority opinion ruled that Blacks were property and not persons) or Plessey V. Ferguson (which established segregation as being legal under the 14th amendment).

As for the hard right..whatever PBR says to understand or thinks he understands is lunacy.  The left is so extreme right now in the US that anyone who isn't as left wing as Che Guevara is Adolf Hitler incarnate.  Shit FDR wouldn't even be welcome in the Democrat party these days.  I could go on about how shitty FDR was, but I think I've done that elsewhere and isn't relevant to the topic at hand.

It should be noted, however, that as much as the American Left likes to paint Hitler as a rightist, there was absolutely nothing conservative, let a lone rightist about National Socialism. One need merely read Mein Kampf to understand this. Hitler openly called for welfare stateism and the abolition of the remaining aristocracy and great governmental control over economic life. The differences between the German Communist Party and the Nazi Party of the time was primarily their stance on Jews and Russia.
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#28
(05-22-2019, 06:48 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(05-20-2019, 10:59 PM)taramarie Wrote: I hope you are correct that this law will not pass judicial review as this is appalling.

It won't.  This isn't the first time such laws have been tried and it won't be the last but each time they have been struck down.  The SCOTUS rarely reverses itself.  Usually when it does it is because the previous ruling was a gross injustice such as Dred Scott (where the majority opinion ruled that Blacks were property and not persons) or Plessey V. Ferguson (which established segregation as being legal under the 14th amendment).

As for the hard right..whatever PBR says to understand or thinks he understands is lunacy.  The left is so extreme right now in the US that anyone who isn't as left wing as Che Guevara is Adolf Hitler incarnate.  Shit FDR wouldn't even be welcome in the Democrat party these days.  I could go on about how shitty FDR was, but I think I've done that elsewhere and isn't relevant to the topic at hand.
What in your opinion do you think the left is extreme with?
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#29
(05-22-2019, 06:49 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(05-22-2019, 06:48 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(05-20-2019, 10:59 PM)taramarie Wrote: I hope you are correct that this law will not pass judicial review as this is appalling.

It won't.  This isn't the first time such laws have been tried and it won't be the last but each time they have been struck down.  The SCOTUS rarely reverses itself.  Usually when it does it is because the previous ruling was a gross injustice such as Dred Scott (where the majority opinion ruled that Blacks were property and not persons) or Plessey V. Ferguson (which established segregation as being legal under the 14th amendment).

As for the hard right..whatever PBR says to understand or thinks he understands is lunacy.  The left is so extreme right now in the US that anyone who isn't as left wing as Che Guevara is Adolf Hitler incarnate.  Shit FDR wouldn't even be welcome in the Democrat party these days.  I could go on about how shitty FDR was, but I think I've done that elsewhere and isn't relevant to the topic at hand.
What in your opinion do you think the left is extreme with?

In the US...an easier question to answer is what are they not extreme with.  Which is nothing.

The American Left has gone full retard mode.  The so-called "Green New Deal" called for the dismantling of the entire social infrastructure of the country.  Also apparently at the same time high speed trains across the oceans (which even if possible--would have a very large environmental impact).

They are openly attempting to censor all social media--ultimately this will destroy the likes of twitter, facebook and the like.  Alt-tech is already arising because they are making the environment hostile for people with potentially opposing opinions to discuss the issues of the day.

They are openly advocating socialism as well--which might not be an issue in New Zealand but is in the US (very much so). 

And of course they are stirring up racial strife as well.  Exactly like Malcolm warned about.
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#30
This clip should serve as an example of how retarded the left has become.



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#31
(05-22-2019, 07:22 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: In the US...an easier question to answer is what are they not extreme with.  Which is nothing.

The American Left has gone full retard mode.  The so-called "Green New Deal" called for the dismantling of the entire social infrastructure of the country.  Also apparently at the same time high speed trains across the oceans (which even if possible--would have a very large environmental impact).

I assume you have a source for this nonsense, but that doesn't make it less idiotic.

Kinser79 Wrote:They are openly attempting to censor all social media--ultimately this will destroy the likes of twitter, facebook and the like.  Alt-tech is already arising because they are making the environment hostile for people with potentially opposing opinions to discuss the issues of the day.

Translation: they're on to us, and not letting us lie without limits anymore.

Kinser79 Wrote:They are openly advocating socialism as well--which might not be an issue in New Zealand but is in the US (very much so). 

This is actually true, to a limited extent …. very limited at this point. I don't see anyone advocating for seizing industries, just regulating the hell out of them.

Kinser79 Wrote:And of course they are stirring up racial strife as well.  Exactly like Malcolm warned about.

Of course, the White Nationalists aren't race baiting … it's the libtards. Rolleyes
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#32
(05-22-2019, 07:22 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(05-22-2019, 06:49 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(05-22-2019, 06:48 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(05-20-2019, 10:59 PM)taramarie Wrote: I hope you are correct that this law will not pass judicial review as this is appalling.

It won't.  This isn't the first time such laws have been tried and it won't be the last but each time they have been struck down.  The SCOTUS rarely reverses itself.  Usually when it does it is because the previous ruling was a gross injustice such as Dred Scott (where the majority opinion ruled that Blacks were property and not persons) or Plessey V. Ferguson (which established segregation as being legal under the 14th amendment).

As for the hard right..whatever PBR says to understand or thinks he understands is lunacy.  The left is so extreme right now in the US that anyone who isn't as left wing as Che Guevara is Adolf Hitler incarnate.  Shit FDR wouldn't even be welcome in the Democrat party these days.  I could go on about how shitty FDR was, but I think I've done that elsewhere and isn't relevant to the topic at hand.
What in your opinion do you think the left is extreme with?

In the US...an easier question to answer is what are they not extreme with.  Which is nothing.

The American Left has gone full retard mode.  The so-called "Green New Deal" called for the dismantling of the entire social infrastructure of the country.  Also apparently at the same time high speed trains across the oceans (which even if possible--would have a very large environmental impact).

They are openly attempting to censor all social media--ultimately this will destroy the likes of twitter, facebook and the like.  Alt-tech is already arising because they are making the environment hostile for people with potentially opposing opinions to discuss the issues of the day.

They are openly advocating socialism as well--which might not be an issue in New Zealand but is in the US (very much so). 

And of course they are stirring up racial strife as well.  Exactly like Malcolm warned about.
Can you explain why it would be a horrible decision over in the US?
As for how it is in NZ with socialism I will give one example how it benefits me right now. I have recently had a severe injury to my left ankle. If I were in America and was an American citizen, this would apparently cost me thousands and thousands of dollars to sort out due to rehabilitation, xrays, ultrasounds, MRI scan, just seeing the surgeon and the specialists etc etc as well as hiring out equipment to help me to get around as I cannot walk around much on it. Because of universal healthcare it is paid through taxes which I also pay into and I can focus on getting better rather than stress over a large bill. Universal healthcare is not perfect, but I am lucky that I have it all the same because the last thing I need is to be crippled and stressing over a massive debt. I already have that with student loan.
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#33
(05-22-2019, 07:22 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(05-22-2019, 06:49 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(05-22-2019, 06:48 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(05-20-2019, 10:59 PM)taramarie Wrote: I hope you are correct that this law will not pass judicial review as this is appalling.

It won't.  This isn't the first time such laws have been tried and it won't be the last but each time they have been struck down.  The SCOTUS rarely reverses itself.  Usually when it does it is because the previous ruling was a gross injustice such as Dred Scott (where the majority opinion ruled that Blacks were property and not persons) or Plessey V. Ferguson (which established segregation as being legal under the 14th amendment).

As for the hard right..whatever PBR says to understand or thinks he understands is lunacy.  The left is so extreme right now in the US that anyone who isn't as left wing as Che Guevara is Adolf Hitler incarnate.  Shit FDR wouldn't even be welcome in the Democrat party these days.  I could go on about how shitty FDR was, but I think I've done that elsewhere and isn't relevant to the topic at hand.
What in your opinion do you think the left is extreme with?

In the US...an easier question to answer is what are they not extreme with.  Which is nothing.

The American Left has gone full retard mode.  The so-called "Green New Deal" called for the dismantling of the entire social infrastructure of the country.  Also apparently at the same time high speed trains across the oceans (which even if possible--would have a very large environmental impact).

They are openly attempting to censor all social media--ultimately this will destroy the likes of twitter, facebook and the like.  Alt-tech is already arising because they are making the environment hostile for people with potentially opposing opinions to discuss the issues of the day.

They are openly advocating socialism as well--which might not be an issue in New Zealand but is in the US (very much so). 

And of course they are stirring up racial strife as well.  Exactly like Malcolm warned about.
I think both sides tend to be extreme with this from what I have seen. But yup I have been called racist by a lefty screaming at me to which I was very confused. I cant even remember what it was about specifically but for some if you are not entirely parroting them, you are what they accuse you of. Extremism on racism belongs on both sides, but I have been called racist by a lefty. Not right wing so far. But that said David is correct with white nationalists. Last time I heard, they are right wing extremists. Personally I wonder if we are just speaking of extremists on both sides who are the loudest, but hopefully extremism is not becoming the norm over there.
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(05-22-2019, 02:55 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(05-22-2019, 07:22 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: In the US...an easier question to answer is what are they not extreme with.  Which is nothing.

The American Left has gone full retard mode.  The so-called "Green New Deal" called for the dismantling of the entire social infrastructure of the country.  Also apparently at the same time high speed trains across the oceans (which even if possible--would have a very large environmental impact).

I assume you have a source for this nonsense, but that doesn't make it less idiotic.

Kinser79 Wrote:They are openly attempting to censor all social media--ultimately this will destroy the likes of twitter, facebook and the like.  Alt-tech is already arising because they are making the environment hostile for people with potentially opposing opinions to discuss the issues of the day.

Translation: they're on to us, and not letting us lie without limits anymore.  


Kinser79 Wrote:They are openly advocating socialism as well--which might not be an issue in New Zealand but is in the US (very much so). 

This is actually true, to a limited extent …. very limited at this point.  I don't see anyone advocating for seizing industries, just regulating the hell out of them.

Kinser79 Wrote:And of course they are stirring up racial strife as well.  Exactly like Malcolm warned about.

Of course, the White Nationalists aren't race baiting … it's the libtards.  Rolleyes
To both you guys on this, this would tread if I am not mistaken on your first amendment if threatening to ban voices. Could be lies sure, what do I know I am a foreigner. But that is not acceptable if true to cut voices off. That is a fine example of communism at work....for example North Korea. Not saying it would make lefties communists, but it is the start of that and has gone too far. That shit would not slide in my country. I would also say that right wingers would say that left wing funded social media and left wing groups on social media would be living in a bubble also and love to listen to what sounds true to them, but may not be the truth. What if the right wingers wanted to limit your voice? Sorry mateys but that would trample all over your first amendment by the sounds of things. Please correct if I am wrong of course.
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#35
(05-22-2019, 04:11 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(05-22-2019, 07:22 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(05-22-2019, 06:49 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(05-22-2019, 06:48 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(05-20-2019, 10:59 PM)taramarie Wrote: I hope you are correct that this law will not pass judicial review as this is appalling.

It won't.  This isn't the first time such laws have been tried and it won't be the last but each time they have been struck down.  The SCOTUS rarely reverses itself.  Usually when it does it is because the previous ruling was a gross injustice such as Dred Scott (where the majority opinion ruled that Blacks were property and not persons) or Plessey V. Ferguson (which established segregation as being legal under the 14th amendment).

As for the hard right..whatever PBR says to understand or thinks he understands is lunacy.  The left is so extreme right now in the US that anyone who isn't as left wing as Che Guevara is Adolf Hitler incarnate.  Shit FDR wouldn't even be welcome in the Democrat party these days.  I could go on about how shitty FDR was, but I think I've done that elsewhere and isn't relevant to the topic at hand.
What in your opinion do you think the left is extreme with?

In the US...an easier question to answer is what are they not extreme with.  Which is nothing.

The American Left has gone full retard mode.  The so-called "Green New Deal" called for the dismantling of the entire social infrastructure of the country.  Also apparently at the same time high speed trains across the oceans (which even if possible--would have a very large environmental impact).

They are openly attempting to censor all social media--ultimately this will destroy the likes of twitter, facebook and the like.  Alt-tech is already arising because they are making the environment hostile for people with potentially opposing opinions to discuss the issues of the day.

They are openly advocating socialism as well--which might not be an issue in New Zealand but is in the US (very much so). 

And of course they are stirring up racial strife as well.  Exactly like Malcolm warned about.
Can you explain why it would be a horrible decision over in the US?
As for how it is in NZ with socialism I will give one example how it benefits me right now. I have recently had a severe injury to my left ankle. If I were in America and was an American citizen, this would apparently cost me thousands and thousands of dollars to sort out due to rehabilitation, xrays, ultrasounds, MRI scan, just seeing the surgeon and the specialists etc etc as well as hiring out equipment to help me to get around as I cannot walk around much on it. Because of universal healthcare it is paid through taxes which I also pay into and I can focus on getting better rather than stress over a large bill. Universal healthcare is not perfect, but I am lucky that I have it all the same because the last thing I need is to be crippled and stressing over a massive debt. I already have that with student loan.

I wouldn't call having universal basic healthcare for citizens the same as socialism.  Or not as I meant it in my previous post.  They are openly talking about government ownership of the means of production.  The USSR tried that, it didn't work out so well.  The US has a hard time with just welfare state-ism due to our highly diverse population.  If I'm not mistaken New Zealand is predominantly Anglo-Saxon in origin.
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#36
(05-22-2019, 04:18 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(05-22-2019, 07:22 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(05-22-2019, 06:49 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(05-22-2019, 06:48 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(05-20-2019, 10:59 PM)taramarie Wrote: I hope you are correct that this law will not pass judicial review as this is appalling.

It won't.  This isn't the first time such laws have been tried and it won't be the last but each time they have been struck down.  The SCOTUS rarely reverses itself.  Usually when it does it is because the previous ruling was a gross injustice such as Dred Scott (where the majority opinion ruled that Blacks were property and not persons) or Plessey V. Ferguson (which established segregation as being legal under the 14th amendment).

As for the hard right..whatever PBR says to understand or thinks he understands is lunacy.  The left is so extreme right now in the US that anyone who isn't as left wing as Che Guevara is Adolf Hitler incarnate.  Shit FDR wouldn't even be welcome in the Democrat party these days.  I could go on about how shitty FDR was, but I think I've done that elsewhere and isn't relevant to the topic at hand.
What in your opinion do you think the left is extreme with?

In the US...an easier question to answer is what are they not extreme with.  Which is nothing.

The American Left has gone full retard mode.  The so-called "Green New Deal" called for the dismantling of the entire social infrastructure of the country.  Also apparently at the same time high speed trains across the oceans (which even if possible--would have a very large environmental impact).

They are openly attempting to censor all social media--ultimately this will destroy the likes of twitter, facebook and the like.  Alt-tech is already arising because they are making the environment hostile for people with potentially opposing opinions to discuss the issues of the day.

They are openly advocating socialism as well--which might not be an issue in New Zealand but is in the US (very much so). 

And of course they are stirring up racial strife as well.  Exactly like Malcolm warned about.
I think both sides tend to be extreme with this from what I have seen. But yup I have been called racist by a lefty screaming at me to which I was very confused. I cant even remember what it was about specifically but for some if you are not entirely parroting them, you are what they accuse you of. Extremism on racism belongs on both sides, but I have been called racist by a lefty. Not right wing so far. But that said David is correct with white nationalists. Last time I heard, they are right wing extremists. Personally I wonder if we are just speaking of extremists on both sides who are the loudest, but hopefully extremism is not becoming the norm over there.

Tara are you a white person with an opinion that differs from that leftist?  If so, then you are a racist.  In fact the left is starting to say that all whites are racist by default.  Which strangely smells like racism itself to me.

David Horn is right about as often as Eric.  Were you to listen to him any white person with an opinion to the right of FDR is a card carrying Ku Kluxer.  White nationalism and White Nationalists are a joke and have been for ages.  I aught to know I'm a prime target for them.  I'm both black and a faggot.
It really is all mathematics.

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#37
(05-22-2019, 04:28 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(05-22-2019, 02:55 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(05-22-2019, 07:22 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: In the US...an easier question to answer is what are they not extreme with.  Which is nothing.

The American Left has gone full retard mode.  The so-called "Green New Deal" called for the dismantling of the entire social infrastructure of the country.  Also apparently at the same time high speed trains across the oceans (which even if possible--would have a very large environmental impact).

I assume you have a source for this nonsense, but that doesn't make it less idiotic.

Kinser79 Wrote:They are openly attempting to censor all social media--ultimately this will destroy the likes of twitter, facebook and the like.  Alt-tech is already arising because they are making the environment hostile for people with potentially opposing opinions to discuss the issues of the day.

Translation: they're on to us, and not letting us lie without limits anymore.  


Kinser79 Wrote:They are openly advocating socialism as well--which might not be an issue in New Zealand but is in the US (very much so). 

This is actually true, to a limited extent …. very limited at this point.  I don't see anyone advocating for seizing industries, just regulating the hell out of them.

Kinser79 Wrote:And of course they are stirring up racial strife as well.  Exactly like Malcolm warned about.

Of course, the White Nationalists aren't race baiting … it's the libtards.  Rolleyes
To both you guys on this, this would tread if I am not mistaken on your first amendment if threatening to ban voices. Could be lies sure, what do I know I am a foreigner. But that is not acceptable if true to cut voices off. That is a fine example of communism at work....for example North Korea. Not saying it would make lefties communists, but it is the start of that and has gone too far. That shit would not slide in my country. I would also say that right wingers would say that left wing funded social media and left wing groups on social media would be living in a bubble also and love to listen to what sounds true to them, but may not be the truth. What if the right wingers wanted to limit your voice? Sorry mateys but that would trample all over your first amendment by the sounds of things. Please correct if I am wrong of course.

As it stands the likes of Twitter and Facebook are trying to claim that they are platforms while exercising the rights of censorship of publishers.  The legal distinction between the two in American Jurisprudence being that a publisher is liable for the ideas expressed and words used by those using their services whereas a platform would not.

A platform would be akin to a public utility.  The electric company can't turn off David Duke's power because they despise his political opinion.





I'm not going to bother more with Mr. Horn.  He's just a bitter leftist who sees his world crumbling in the face of reality.
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#38
(05-22-2019, 06:24 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(05-22-2019, 04:18 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(05-22-2019, 07:22 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(05-22-2019, 06:49 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(05-22-2019, 06:48 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: It won't.  This isn't the first time such laws have been tried and it won't be the last but each time they have been struck down.  The SCOTUS rarely reverses itself.  Usually when it does it is because the previous ruling was a gross injustice such as Dred Scott (where the majority opinion ruled that Blacks were property and not persons) or Plessey V. Ferguson (which established segregation as being legal under the 14th amendment).

As for the hard right..whatever PBR says to understand or thinks he understands is lunacy.  The left is so extreme right now in the US that anyone who isn't as left wing as Che Guevara is Adolf Hitler incarnate.  Shit FDR wouldn't even be welcome in the Democrat party these days.  I could go on about how shitty FDR was, but I think I've done that elsewhere and isn't relevant to the topic at hand.
What in your opinion do you think the left is extreme with?

In the US...an easier question to answer is what are they not extreme with.  Which is nothing.

The American Left has gone full retard mode.  The so-called "Green New Deal" called for the dismantling of the entire social infrastructure of the country.  Also apparently at the same time high speed trains across the oceans (which even if possible--would have a very large environmental impact).

They are openly attempting to censor all social media--ultimately this will destroy the likes of twitter, facebook and the like.  Alt-tech is already arising because they are making the environment hostile for people with potentially opposing opinions to discuss the issues of the day.

They are openly advocating socialism as well--which might not be an issue in New Zealand but is in the US (very much so). 

And of course they are stirring up racial strife as well.  Exactly like Malcolm warned about.
I think both sides tend to be extreme with this from what I have seen. But yup I have been called racist by a lefty screaming at me to which I was very confused. I cant even remember what it was about specifically but for some if you are not entirely parroting them, you are what they accuse you of. Extremism on racism belongs on both sides, but I have been called racist by a lefty. Not right wing so far. But that said David is correct with white nationalists. Last time I heard, they are right wing extremists. Personally I wonder if we are just speaking of extremists on both sides who are the loudest, but hopefully extremism is not becoming the norm over there.

Tara are you a white person with an opinion that differs from that leftist?  If so, then you are a racist.  In fact the left is starting to say that all whites are racist by default.  Which strangely smells like racism itself to me.

David Horn is right about as often as Eric.  Were you to listen to him any white person with an opinion to the right of FDR is a card carrying Ku Kluxer.  White nationalism and White Nationalists are a joke and have been for ages.  I aught to know I'm a prime target for them.  I'm both black and a faggot.
I have noticed that with some American lefties yes. Not all thankfully but some certainly know how to scream racist or sexist both which I am not. I have African American relatives in my family's past who are very much direct lines to me. My great great grandfather for example. I have stated to those people reverse racism is quite real and to be careful who they scream that at because well, cry wolf and all that jazz.
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(05-22-2019, 06:30 PM)taramarie Wrote: I have noticed that with some American lefties yes. Not all thankfully but some certainly know how to scream racist or sexist both which I am not. I have African American relatives in my family's past who are very much direct lines to me. My great great grandfather for example. I have stated to those people reverse racism is quite real and to be careful who they scream that at because well, cry wolf and all that jazz.

I once told my mother when she went on one of her stupid boomer "hurr da Nazis is everywheres" rants that if she continued to invoke Nazism that real nazis and not just white people she disagrees with will show up.

I think the main reason this hasn't happened is because the number of "based blacks" is growing.
It really is all mathematics.

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(05-22-2019, 06:48 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(05-20-2019, 10:59 PM)taramarie Wrote: I hope you are correct that this law will not pass judicial review as this is appalling.

It won't.  This isn't the first time such laws have been tried and it won't be the last but each time they have been struck down.  The SCOTUS rarely reverses itself.  Usually when it does it is because the previous ruling was a gross injustice such as Dred Scott (where the majority opinion ruled that Blacks were property and not persons) or Plessey V. Ferguson (which established segregation as being legal under the 14th amendment).

As for the hard right..whatever PBR says to understand or thinks he understands is lunacy.  The left is so extreme right now in the US that anyone who isn't as left wing as Che Guevara is Adolf Hitler incarnate.  Shit FDR wouldn't even be welcome in the Democrat party these days.  I could go on about how shitty FDR was, but I think I've done that elsewhere and isn't relevant to the topic at hand.

Che Guevara was a murderous Commie fanatic. There! I said it! Even more, 'classic' Marxism is obsolete and terribly flawed. Karl Marx missed that capitalists would save their order by giving workers a stake in it through consumerism. He also missed that in a 'socialist' society, bureaucratic elites such as the Soviet nomenklatura could become as exploitative as capitalists and even aristocrats -- and like all other prior elites would try to turn their pampered existence into a hereditary condition. Of course, should capitalists take away consumerism, then the Marxist stereotype of capitalism re-emerges.

FDR had to make a sleazy compromise with the white racists of the South to get votes for what would be good for all Americans. In view of the potential resurgence of the KKK and the presence of Nazi Germany it was best not to encourage Southern racists to replace their Confederate paraphernalia with Nazi stuff. 

Quote:It should be noted, however, that as much as the American Left likes to paint Hitler as a rightist, there was absolutely nothing conservative, let a lone rightist about National Socialism.  One need merely read Mein Kampf to understand this.  Hitler openly called for welfare stateism and the abolition of the remaining aristocracy and great governmental control over economic life.  The differences between the German Communist Party and the Nazi Party of the time was primarily their stance on Jews and Russia.


Hitler was a demagogue making contradictory appeals -- making fiery anti-aristocratic speeches to the common man while promising the corporate barons the blessings of destroying trade unions, privatization of public assets, suppression of peasant challenges to the aristocracy, and easy profits from rearmament.  The 'welfare state' in Germany was intended to get German women (only if Aryan, of course) to have plenty of babies (of course by Aryans) as future cannon-fodder for advancing Germany into the East.

Hitler was definitely rightlst in destroying the worker's right to strike and prohibited workers from changing employment without consent of their current employers. The latter is literal serfdom! That his party had the words "Socialist" and "Workers" in the title means no more than FoX News claiming to be "fair and balanced"... or North Korea claiming to being a democracy, for the Korean people, or even a republic. There was a faction, Strasserism led by Gregor and Otto Strasser (and associated with Ernst Roehm) who wanted the 'socialist' part of the official Nazi program. The only 'socialism" that the Nazis would do would be to seize Jewish properties (followed by the properties of other Untermenschen as well as Jews after Nazi conquests. Otherwise Hitlerland was a pure plutocracy even to the extent of having slave labor.

...The first thing that anyone needs to know about Mein Kampf comes from reading its index: Hitler mentions America largely in white people defeating the Indians and the rising power of the Jews, and has nothing to say about Washington, Adams (John, Samuel, or John Quincy), Hamilton, Jefferson, or Lincoln.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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