(07-07-2021, 03:43 PM)Eric the  Green Wrote: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

Poll................Date..............Sample.........Approve...Disapprove..Spread
RCP Average...6/22 - 7/6.....--..................52.5........42.9............+9.6
YouGov..........7/3 - 7/6.......1281 RV.........51..........44...............+7
Rasmussen.....6/30 - 7/6.....1500 LV.........49..........50................-1
IBD/TIPP........6/30 - 7/2.....1145 RV.........54..........38.............+16
Reuters..........6/30 - 7/1.....1004 A...........51..........42...............+9
The Hill..........6/29 - 6/30.....950 RV.........60..........40..............+20
ABC/WP.........6/27 - 6/30.....907 A...........50..........42...............+8
Politico...........6/25 - 6/28...1989 RV.........54..........43.............+11
NPR/PBS........6/22 - 6/29.....905 RV.........51..........44...............+7

(07-07-2021, 05:32 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Approval numbers other than those of Rasmussen are stronger than the electoral result  for the President, which is amazing at this stage.

Quote:Data for Progress just released a bunch of new state polls. Old, from 8/20-8/27, but also probably the low water mark for Biden since it was directly in the midst of the Afghanistan media hysteria.

August 20-27

Favorability
Washington: 57/42 (+15)
Oregon: 56/43 (+13)
Colorado: 52/46 (+6)
Pennsylvania: 50/49 (+1)
Georgia: 49/49 (=)
Wisconsin: 48/50 (-2)
Arizona: 48/51 (-3)
New Hampshire: 49/52 (-3)
Michigan: 47/51 (-4)
North Carolina: 46/51 (-5)
Montana: 37/63 (-26)
West Virginia: 33/62 (-29)

Job approval
Washington: 55/42 (+13)
Oregon: 55/44 (+11)
Colorado: 52/47 (+5)
Pennsylvania: 50/50 (=)
Arizona: 49/50 (-1)
Georgia: 48/50 (-2)
Michigan: 48/50 (-2)
New Hampshire: 49/51 (-2)
Wisconsin: 48/52 (-4)
North Carolina: 46/52 (-6)
Montana: 38/61 (-23)
West Virginia: 34/65 (-31)

https://www.dataforprogress.org/memos/voters-in-key-states-support-the-build-back-better-agenda

(07-08-2021, 04:11 AM)sBob Butler 54 Wrote:

(07-07-2021, 05:32 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Approval numbers other than those of Rasmussen are stronger than the electoral result  for the President, which is amazing at this stage.

Not really.  The Republicans are opposing popular policies and obviously practicing obstruction.  How they think this will get them ahead at this point I don't know.  Over the last bunch of years, it is traditional to oppose a party which doesn't achieve their agenda, but this time it is clear why.

I am also looking at the crisis transformation of the culture.  What seem to be the issues?  Cure Covid.  Reduce systematic racism.  Government has a role in supporting the poor and building infrastructure.  These are not winning issues for conservatives.  They oppose change.  A crisis is about change.  That is why the no change faction in prior American crises has always lost.

While a failure of the administration in recent years has lost them power, it was not so in the last crisis.  FDR kept winning with larger and larger majorities.  I suspect the Republicans are playing a loosing strategy.  We will see how it plays out.

Quote:Data for Progress just released a bunch of new state polls. Old, from 8/20-8/27, but also probably the low water mark for Biden since it was directly in the midst of the Afghanistan media hysteria.

August 20-27

Favorability
Washington: 57/42 (+15)
Oregon: 56/43 (+13)
Colorado: 52/46 (+6)
Pennsylvania: 50/49 (+1)
Georgia: 49/49 (=)
Wisconsin: 48/50 (-2)
Arizona: 48/51 (-3)
New Hampshire: 49/52 (-3)
Michigan: 47/51 (-4)
North Carolina: 46/51 (-5)
Montana: 37/63 (-26)
West Virginia: 33/62 (-29)

Job approval
Washington: 55/42 (+13)
Oregon: 55/44 (+11)
Colorado: 52/47 (+5)
Pennsylvania: 50/50 (=)
Arizona: 49/50 (-1)
Georgia: 48/50 (-2)
Michigan: 48/50 (-2)
New Hampshire: 49/51 (-2)
Wisconsin: 48/52 (-4)
North Carolina: 46/52 (-6)
Montana: 38/61 (-23)
West Virginia: 34/65 (-31)

https://www.dataforprogress.org/memos/voters-in-key-states-support-the-build-back-better-agenda

(09-16-2021, 02:13 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: For the last time, I don't care who kills you or how you all die at this point..

(09-16-2021, 02:13 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(07-08-2021, 04:11 AM)sBob Butler 54 Wrote:

(07-07-2021, 05:32 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Approval numbers other than those of Rasmussen are stronger than the electoral result  for the President, which is amazing at this stage.

Not really.  The Republicans are opposing popular policies and obviously practicing obstruction.  How they think this will get them ahead at this point I don't know.  Over the last bunch of years, it is traditional to oppose a party which doesn't achieve their agenda, but this time it is clear why.

I am also looking at the crisis transformation of the culture.  What seem to be the issues?  Cure Covid.  Reduce systematic racism.  Government has a role in supporting the poor and building infrastructure.  These are not winning issues for conservatives.  They oppose change.  A crisis is about change.  That is why the no change faction in prior American crises has always lost.

While a failure of the administration in recent years has lost them power, it was not so in the last crisis.  FDR kept winning with larger and larger majorities.  I suspect the Republicans are playing a loosing strategy.  We will see how it plays out.

It's going to be really hard to cure Covid without a cure for Covid while continuing to allow and continuing to assist thousands of foreign undocumented/unvaccinated/illegals/ Covid infected people to enter the country each day. So Bob, how many blue partisan morons/ political hacks/LW extremists like yourself and the others are currently living in the country right now? 30-40 million or so maybe? So, how are 30-40 million or so warped minded Left Wingers going to defeat 70 some million hard core Americans who have the right to defend their country. Biden is done. You can cling to him if you want but it's not going to help or stop us from undermining his authority and further weakening him and the system that his administration currently represents. Now, switching to a blue (vile sexist word excised) that most of  the country already  knows is both illegitimate and incompetent isn't going to help either and more likely make matters worse for those stuck living in Acirema.

Quote:For the last time, I don't care who kills you or how you all die at this point. The same goes for the Liberal elite aka the Blue ruling class who control the strings and their puppet politicians and bureaucrats. War is hell dude, it's to bad that you and the others are going to learn it first hand (the hard way). So, do you know the difference between stealing and the way the blue poor are  able to make a living these days? Do you even care  if it's right or wrong at this point? I'd say most idiots don't care at this point. How long can you afford to be plundered without any legal recourse? How long are you going to be able to remain insured? I mean, they're already free to steal up to $950 with no legal recourse in some coastal blue cities aka round head strong holds.

(09-17-2021, 11:03 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: I agree. Although we really need a liberal Democrat to win in 2024. Moderate conservatives tend to be neo-liberal trickle-downers, which won't do in a time of existential crisis. Of course neo-liberalism is also a type of extremism; not identical to trumpism but compatible with it. It was called extremism when Barry Goldwater ran, but Reagan made it more acceptable just because he was a handsome actor and had macho charm. We need to end neo-liberal rule entirely; 40 years of regression is enough. It's time for progress again.

Kamala Harris may be smart enough to be president, but is not qualified as a nominee, because she will lose. It is unlikely that she will even inherit the job.

(09-17-2021, 12:21 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(09-17-2021, 11:03 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: I agree. Although we really need a liberal Democrat to win in 2024. Moderate conservatives tend to be neo-liberal trickle-downers, which won't do in a time of existential crisis. Of course neo-liberalism is also a type of extremism; not identical to trumpism but compatible with it. It was called extremism when Barry Goldwater ran, but Reagan made it more acceptable just because he was a handsome actor and had macho charm. We need to end neo-liberal rule entirely; 40 years of regression is enough. It's time for progress again.

Kamala Harris may be smart enough to be president, but is not qualified as a nominee, because she will lose. It is unlikely that she will even inherit the job.

There is no direct political solution to anything unless a large percentage of both houses of Congress and the Presidency are solidly left and willing to take of the gloves and fight.  Why?  Because NO is always the default, and it's stronger now that the entire GOP has decided that voting for anything that the Dems want is some twisted version of treason.  Some of the needed fixes are totally out of reach.  The 2nd Amendment is still there, and I can't see any way that gets repealed.  The SCotUS will remain far-right unless it's packed, which is unlikely though at least possible.  Federalism limits what can be done in unison, and too many states aren't just obstructinist; they're outright antagonistic and oppositional.

I still fear this will be a next-2T fix.  I just don't see the groundswell needed to make real change, but I hope I'm wrong on that.

(09-16-2021, 05:33 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: There is a Covid vaccine.  There is a larger portion of the people voting with the blues than against.  The population generally agrees that the problems ought to be solved.  Most people don’t share your obsession with violence.  It has gotten so the racist organizations that used to be into oppressing minorities are now targeting the government.  We’ll see how well that goes Saturday.

We just do see different realities.  I sometimes wonder where yours is coming from.  Not caring so much anymore.

(09-16-2021, 02:13 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: For the last time, I don't care who kills you or how you all die at this point..

The last time?  Promise?

(09-17-2021, 02:06 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I predict you will be partly wrong on that, using my cosmic crystal ball method which has a lot of success. Of course, tempered by my obsession with following and understanding the news and history.

Right now, the Senate is 2 or 3 votes away from passing some major legislation through reconciliation. The Democratic Party is in negotiation. I think they will pass something. Much action on climate change is in this bill, if this portion is passed intact. Also, the president has some powers.

There are many clouds though, I admit. Republicans may try to shut down the government next month. I predicted the 2020s would be a progressive decade, for which we are way overdue. But Saturn returning to Aquarius through Aries is a fairly reliable 30-year indicator, and this is now going to be emphasized with Pluto there from 2023/4 to about 2043/4. The Supreme Court is the same as it was in the last 4T, and unless it tempers its reactionism, it could be threatened at least with packing. The Republican voter suppression going on in key states is a real concern. It could spell a midterm defeat unless millennials rise to their civic duty and vote. The congress can pass voting rights now and reverse this, if it finds an excuse to bypass the filibuster. This is unlikely, but still possible. Otherwise, it will be up to the aware and awake people to rise up on midterm election day and do their civic duty and preserve the republic and the world from the classic Xers and somnolent Boomers. If the midterms result in increased Democratic Party control, they could reduce/reform the filibuster or bypass/remove it and make Democratic Party power more permanent by giving Puerto Rico and DC senate seats. The groundswell has been aroused since 2017, if it still has legs. I consider the anti-Trump movements to be the regeneracy. The Democratic Party seems ready to fight, but right now they still have to get a few moderates in congress on board.

The Uranus Return every 84 years is an indicator that is identical to the saeculum, at least archetypally in the modern times since the 18th century, when the planet was discovered and became activated thereby. This even extends to the reason that philosopher/astrologer Dane Rudhyar said that Uranus has its traits: because it corresponds to the average length of a human life. That is also what S&H said is the basis for the saeculum. The Uranus Return is due in circa 2027.

We don't get through fourth turnings without having to meet an existential crisis or two. The pandemic is one. I mentioned at the start of these forums that climate change was the main thing, besides the nation's division caused by its reactionary Party itself. This is showing itself to be true ever more clearly, day by day. The IPCC says it's now code red. If we don't handle climate change now and reverse the trend, most-assuredly the next 2T will be too late. Second turnings may bring some social and cultural changes, and we can look for deeper change when it comes in the late 2040s, but big institutional changes are the province of 4Ts. And it never looks bright until near the end of the Crisis. We are in for some rough sailing yet in this 4T, which is still ramping up and is far from over. But the end looks positive according to the signs I read. Look to 2029 for some decisive battles that bring it to a conclusion. 

The 4T has never ended without a liberal or progressive victory. If we fail this time, it will be the first time. Do we want that on our conscience? I say no. We boomers still have a lot of work to do, and we dare not pass leadership on entirely to Generation X, which came of age under Reagan. The world needs our idealism and wisdom now. Writing on internet forums will not be enough. We boomers must participate in the body politic however we can during this 4T and beyond.

(09-17-2021, 12:21 PM)David Horn Wrote: There is no direct political solution to anything unless a large percentage of both houses of Congress and the Presidency are solidly left and willing to take of the glves and fight.  Why?  Because NO is always the default, and it's stronger now that the entire GOP has decided that voting for anything that the Dems want is some twisted version of treason.  Some of the needed fixes are totally out of reach.  The 2nd Amendment is still there, and I can't see any way that gets repealed.  The SCotUS will remain far-right unless it's packed, which is unlikley though at least possible.  Federalism limits what can be done in unison, and too many states aren't just obstructinist; they're outright antagonistic and oppositional.

I still fear this will be a next-2T fix.  I just don't see the groundswell needed to make real change, but I hope I'm wrong on that.

(09-16-2021, 08:13 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: For the last time, I don't care who kills you or how you all die at this point. The same goes for the Liberal elite aka the Blue ruling class who control the strings and their puppet politicians and bureaucrats. War is hell dude, it's to bad that you and the others are going to learn it first hand (the hard way). So, do you know the difference between stealing and the way the blue poor are  able to make a living these days? Do you even care  if it's right or wrong at this point? I'd say most idiots don't care at this point. How long can you afford to be plundered without any legal recourse? How long are you going to be able to remain insured? I mean, they're already free to steal up to $950 with no legal recourse in some coastal blue cities aka round head strong holds.

So far we in Blue America are more than replacing ourselves, if with people not our children. Others' children. Your side alienates its youth.  

The real puppeteers are the right-wing plutocrats like the Walton, Scaife, Koch, and Mercer families who provide copious funding to right-wing pols who act as abject sycophants in elective office. 

There isn't going to be any civil war in America. The military has no desire to turn against fellow Americans. Sure, there will be skirmishes by KKK and neo-Nazi types who do mass murders by mowing down people in a synagogue or a mosque... One person with a gun (your solution!) who gets a head shot finishes the slaughter with the death of the perpetrator. Our system catches the racist warriors, tries them, and puts them away -- if they don't choose instead to be blown away.   

We are learning much the hard way from Donald Trump. We are learning that demagoguery works in appealing to mentally-shaky people. People like me do not want it on my side; it leads to bad public policy because the appeals of demagogues always imply serious contradictions. Not mere paradoxes, the contradictions can never reconcile. We have discovered that coarseness in political rhetoric can result in political victories. Some people like to be riled up.  

Rational thought solves more problems and creates fewer. 

A couple days ago I saw a banner that said F--- Biden. Your side has no respect for the sensibilities of the rest of us.

(09-17-2021, 06:53 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(09-17-2021, 12:21 PM)David Horn Wrote: There is no direct political solution to anything unless a large percentage of both houses of Congress and the Presidency are solidly left and willing to take of the glves and fight.  Why?  Because NO is always the default, and it's stronger now that the entire GOP has decided that voting for anything that the Dems want is some twisted version of treason.  Some of the needed fixes are totally out of reach.  The 2nd Amendment is still there, and I can't see any way that gets repealed.  The SCotUS will remain far-right unless it's packed, which is unlikley though at least possible.  Federalism limits what can be done in unison, and too many states aren't just obstructinist; they're outright antagonistic and oppositional.

I still fear this will be a next-2T fix.  I just don't see the groundswell needed to make real change, but I hope I'm wrong on that.

You didn't have the groundswell needed in the first place. So, what's going on in your head? Why didn't you know that? I told you it was a bad idea to go along and elect a senile old man who couldn't think for himself and shouldn't have run to begin with.

Quote:So, what do you think the repercussions should be now that most of America knows we were right? Biden is done dude. It's only a matter of time before America demands his resignation and the Democrat's are forced to let go of him and then forced to explain why he was able to become President in the first place.

Quote:I mean, it's not like he wasn't showing obvious signs to begin with before entering office. Biden is the biggest hoax the Democratic party and it's GOP allies have managed to pull off so far. I hope you're not to reliant on DC and the money that's currently flowing out of it because the bulk of it is most likely going to be diverted to the Red capital and redistributed to Red Americans. Now, you are fortunate because you are an American veteran and you know what Red America thinks about  American veterans these days. As I've mentioned, you're the only one in the group who has a chance of coming out of this relatively unscathed at this point.

(09-17-2021, 11:03 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: I agree. Although we really need a liberal Democrat to win in 2024. Moderate conservatives tend to be neo-liberal trickle-downers, which won't do in a time of existential crisis. Of course neo-liberalism is also a type of extremism; not identical to trumpism but compatible with it. It was called extremism when Barry Goldwater ran, but Reagan made it more acceptable just because he was a handsome actor and had macho charm. We need to end neo-liberal rule entirely; 40 years of regression is enough. It's time for progress again.

Kamala Harris may be smart enough to be president, but is not qualified as a nominee, because she will lose. It is unlikely that she will even inherit the job.

(09-17-2021, 09:41 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: How can anyone still defend Donald Quisling Trump?