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RE: Debate about Gun Control - radind - 07-18-2016

(07-13-2016, 04:56 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Micah Johnson was the well-regulated militia's newest recruit.

http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-us-dallas-cop-shooter-micah-xavier-johnson-was-army-reservist-in-afghanistan-2232666
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/dallas-shooter-micah-johnson-purchased-ak-47-facebook-article-1.2708860

I think that he was recruited by Hate.

RE: Debate about Gun Control - Anthony '58 - 07-18-2016

Something tells me that the black gangstas would have a huge edge over these weekend warriors hanging out in places like northern Idaho.

At least that's who my money - what's left of it - would be on.

RE: Debate about Gun Control - Eric the Green - 07-18-2016

(07-18-2016, 01:30 PM)radind Wrote:
(07-13-2016, 04:56 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Micah Johnson was the well-regulated militia's newest recruit.

http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-us-dallas-cop-shooter-micah-xavier-johnson-was-army-reservist-in-afghanistan-2232666
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/dallas-shooter-micah-johnson-purchased-ak-47-facebook-article-1.2708860
I think that he was recruited by Hate.

He was angry about blacks being shot by white cops. That anger is understandable, but shooting them means he went off his rocker. And he was enabled in his craziness by our permissive gun laws.

RE: Debate about Gun Control - Eric the Green - 07-18-2016

(07-18-2016, 07:28 PM)Anthony 58 Wrote: Something tells me that the black gangstas would have a huge edge over these weekend warriors hanging out in places like northern Idaho.

At least that's who my money - what's left of it - would be on.

Yes, that would be a different view than what Classic Xer presents.

RE: Debate about Gun Control - Anthony '58 - 07-21-2016

I personally remember the days of the Black Panthers vehemently opposing gun control, the Symbionese Liberation Army and their cyanide-laced bullets, and that iconic photo of Patty Hearst holding what today's liberals would call an "assault weapon" - so I am well aware of how the Second Amendment shoe can go from one foot to the other. It can just as easily go back again - and maybe now it is.

RE: Debate about Gun Control - Eric the Green - 08-01-2016

On the Best Songs Ever thread I spoke of the Summer of 1966 (especially late June to early August) as the time when a bolt of lighting changed music and changed the world.

Another bolt of lightning came down on August 1, 1966, that changed the world, but not in a good way. And our response to it has been, to say the least, horrific. AP calls it the beginning of an era, and so it was.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/beginning-era-1966-university-texas-clock-tower-shooting-n620556

50 years later, the nincompoops of Texas have passed a law allowing concealed weapons on campus.

What a memorial. I could only compare that to the worst laws ever passed by Hitler. But there it is. A state and much of a nation gone utterly insane. A nation that wants more of the same.

Michael Moore's award winning documentary, Bowling for Columbine, was broadcast today on the Decades Network. A fitting memorial to the 19 people who died 50 years ago today on the day our era of mass shootings opened, or later died because of that mass shooting on Aug.1, 1966. I caught this line from the doc. "if the idea that more guns reduces violence were true, The USA would be the safest country in the world. The opposite is true." And truer words could never have been spoken.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling_for_Columbine
https://youtu.be/hH0mSAjp_Jw
https://youtu.be/8pyMzh1nHYg

"When will we ever learn" sang Pete Seeger. Indeed; when............

RE: Debate about Gun Control - Eric the Green - 08-01-2016

RE: Debate about Gun Control - Eric the Green - 08-01-2016

Michael Moore: It's not only gun laws we need, but the defeat of the right wing. We are the majority, and we want gun laws, we want our country to stop invading other countries, we want an anti violence against women act; above all, we want an adequate safety net, not more trickle-down economics.

https://youtu.be/-JVORszwdNA?t=7m32s

RE: Debate about Gun Control - Bob Butler 54 - 08-01-2016

(07-13-2016, 04:56 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Micah Johnson was the well-regulated militia's newest recruit.

As you should know, the well regulated (well trained) militia hasn't existed at least since the Civil War. Militia units were enough of a nuisance to the Union regular forces during the Civil War that the winning Union veteran officers cut funding for training for the militia, all military aged males. This began a shift in the culture away from trained organized everyman protecting the People to paid professionals bearing the greater responsibility.

This was precisely the time when the US homicide rates began their long climb.

The end of the well regulated militia would be a hard bell to unring. Todays military age adults, and I expect the ladies would be drawn in as well as the men, wouldn't want to give up enough of their time to train to return to a militia culture. It won't happen without a very real threat that militia units would be appropriate to respond to. As I've been saying on other threads, I don't see any spirals of violence escalating just now, thus restoration of a true well regulated militia is (expletive deleted) unlikely. At this point our homicide rate is entirely comparable to Europe and other wealthy nations, so there is no threat that would justify such a drastic response.

But will there be young black men angry at a biased justice system and racist law enforcement personnel? Yes. There will be. Our traditionally racist justice system ought to be fixed. A clear decisive effort to defuse that spiral of violence will bring a much better return than attempting prohibition.

RE: Debate about Gun Control - Eric the Green - 08-04-2016

vertical axis: Brady gun law rating
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horizontal axis: gun death rate
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gun law
rank/ state/ law rating/ gun death rate rank/ background checks?/red, purple or blue (I added this)
1 California A- 42 yes blue
2 Connecticut A- 47 yes blue
3 New Jersey A- 45 yes blue
4 Maryland A- 36 yes blue
5 Massachusetts A- 49 yes blue
6 New York A- 48 yes blue
7 Hawaii B+ 50 yes blue
8 Illinois B+ 40 yes blue
9 Rhode Island B+ 46 yes blue
10 Delaware B 32 yes blue
11 Washington B- 39 yes blue
12 Minnesota C 43 blue
13 Pennsylvania C 27 yes blue
14 Oregon C 28 yes blue
15 Michigan C 22 yes blue
16 Colorado C- 25 yes purple
17 Iowa C- 41 yes blue or purple
18 Wisconsin D 35 blue
19 Ohio D 29 purple
20 Virginia D 33 purple
21 Nebraska D 38 yes red
22 New Hampshire D 44 purple
23 Indiana D- 18 red
24 West Virginia D- 13 red
25 Oklahoma F 8 red
25 North Carolina F 21 yes purple
27 Nevada F 16 purple
28 South Carolina F 11 red
28 Georgia F 20 red
28 Florida F 23 purple
28 North Dakota F 24 red
32 Tennessee F 10 red
33 New Mexico F 9 purple/blue
33 Texas F 31 red
35 Maine F 30 blue
36 Alabama F 4 red
37 Montana F 5 red
37 Arkansas F 6 red
37 Utah F 19 red
40 South Dakota F 34 red
41 Missouri F 12 red
41 Vermont F 37 blue
43 Kentucky F 17 red
44 Louisiana F 2 red
44 Idaho F 14 red
46 Alaska F 1 red
47 Arizona F 15 red
48 Wyoming F 7 red
49 Mississippi F 3 red
50 Kansas F 26 red

http://gunlawscorecard.org/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/10/02/gun_control_by_state_tougher_laws_mean_fewer_deaths.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_ru

RE: Debate about Gun Control - Anthony '58 - 08-07-2016

And Delaware has just abolished the death penalty - in addition to having gun laws that tilt the playing field most heavily in favor of the criminal.

Remind me never to move to Delaware.

RE: Debate about Gun Control - Eric the Green - 08-07-2016

Sounds like a good place to me.

RE: Debate about Gun Control - Eric the Green - 08-15-2016

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It's even worse than that for the fear-mongers. It takes 3/4 of the states to repeal the 2nd amendment. And even if the 2A is removed, that doesn't mean that someone would take guns away from people. That would be up to congress, states or localities to approve.

RE: Debate about Gun Control - Bob Butler 54 - 08-15-2016

Can one fire one's daughter?

I still think it unlikely that Trump could shoot himself in the foot so many times unless he is aiming at his foot.

Does this really belong in the Gun Control thread? Surely, one of the Trump or election threads...

I will assert that no amount of gun prohibition, no matter how rigidly enforced, could possibly prevent Trump from shooting himself in the foot. No way. Smile

RE: Debate about Gun Control - Eric the Green - 08-15-2016

That's true; that would take gun prohibition to a whole new level! No, I don't know how this post got here. I must be getting almost as senile as The Donald.

referring to this post moved to the other thread:
http://generational-theory.com/forum/thread-158-post-7264.html#pid7264

RE: Debate about Gun Control - Ragnarök_62 - 08-15-2016

(08-04-2016, 01:25 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: vertical axis: Brady gun law rating

horizontal axis: gun death rate

gun law
rank/ state/ law rating/ gun death rate rank/ background checks?/red, purple or blue (I added this)

25 Oklahoma F 8 red

F is for Fantastic! Tongue

Illinois? Lessee, Rags shall fuck with Erics brain.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-violence-shootings-20160810-story.html

Nothing like gunz for hire in South Side Shit-cago, man. Big Grin

Tough gun laws , no workie.

RE: Debate about Gun Control - Eric the Green - 08-15-2016

AC/DC, no workie! Makes ears bleed as sure as bullets. Gun laws, read the stats!
Workie wellie!

RE: Debate about Gun Control - Ragnarök_62 - 08-15-2016

(08-01-2016, 06:23 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Michael Moore: It's not only gun laws we need, but the defeat of the right wing. We are the majority, and we want gun laws, we want our country to stop invading other countries, we want an anti violence against women act; above all, we want an adequate safety net, not more trickle-down economics.

1. I feel left out. I want an anti any crime against Rags act.
2. US and Russia are naughty, naughty : http://www.businessinsider.com/arms-sales-by-the-us-and-russia-2014-8 Mikey needs to consider who is exporting arms, not gun laws.
3. Yeah, we sure do need to stop invading/meddling in other countries.
4. Yes to safety net, no to wars of choice.

Now we know how Mike got to be so biiiggg.

RE: Debate about Gun Control - Eric the Green - 08-15-2016

Yeah. Let's get Mikey to eat some guns laws. He likes it! Gun laws are good for us too!

RE: Debate about Gun Control - Copperfield - 08-16-2016

(08-04-2016, 01:25 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: vertical axis: Brady gun law rating

horizontal axis: gun death rate

Still conflating "gun deaths" with gun related homicide and violent crime I see? Once again, even the studies done by the Brady Campaign show zero correlation between firearm related homicide rates and state law. When factoring in all homicide rates, the correlation is even less.