(02-05-2020, 12:36 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-05-2020, 11:36 AM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: So you have a choice.  If you want to just believe Schiff's crap, then just listen to CNN and MS-NBC and revel in the sewer.  If you'd like to see the counter-analysis, and find out what's really going on, the only place you can get it every day is Hannity. 

John, I'm really worried about you.  How can you be that gullible?

(02-05-2020, 12:36 PM)David Horn Wrote: > If you do a quick run-through of MS-NBC, you'll find several
> former GOP staffers and office holders, like Nicole Wallace and
> Elise Jordan, to say nothing of Michael Steel. In fact, the list
> is long. For that matter Joe Scarborough was originally a
> conservative GOP House member. I doubt Fox has anywhere near the
> concentration of left-of-center commentators, and zero hosting
> programs there. In the straight news part of the operation, there
> actually are. Chris Wallace, though certainly conservative, is
> one. Sheppard Smith had to leave. He had all he could
> take.

(02-05-2020, 12:36 PM)David Horn Wrote: > What you call nonsense from Adam Schiff is now recognized by GOP
> Senators as fully valid and accurate. Please, point out any
> fabrication that can be shown to be one. Generalities don't cut
> it.

(02-05-2020, 12:36 PM)David Horn Wrote: > John, I'm really worried about you. How can you be that
> gullible?

FishbellykanakaDude Wrote:> https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594

> "Tencent briefly lists xxxx infections and xxxx deaths from Wuhan
> coronavirus"

>

Quote:> "On late Saturday evening (Feb. 1), Tencent, on its
> webpage titled "Epidemic Situation Tracker", showed confirmed
> cases of novel coronavirus (2019nCoV) in China as standing at
> 154,023, 10 times the official figure at the time. It listed the
> number of suspected cases as 79,808, four times the official
> figure.

> The number of cured cases was only 269, well below the official
> number that day of 300. Most ominously, the death toll listed was
> 24,589, vastly higher than the 300 officially listed that
> day."

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(02-05-2020, 01:57 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(02-05-2020, 12:36 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-05-2020, 11:36 AM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: So you have a choice.  If you want to just believe Schiff's crap, then just listen to CNN and MS-NBC and revel in the sewer.  If you'd like to see the counter-analysis, and find out what's really going on, the only place you can get it every day is Hannity. 

John, I'm really worried about you.  How can you be that gullible?

I see you've made your choice.

(02-05-2020, 03:08 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: ** 05-Feb-2020 World View: MS-NBC

(02-05-2020, 12:36 PM)David Horn Wrote: If you do a quick run-through of MS-NBC, you'll find several former GOP staffers and office holders, like Nicole Wallace and Elise Jordan, to say nothing of Michael Steel.  In fact, the list is long.  For that matter Joe Scarborough was originally a conservative GOP House member.  I doubt Fox has anywhere near the concentration of left-of-center commentators, and zero hosting programs there. In the straight news part of the operation, there actually are.  Chris Wallace, though certainly conservative, is one. Sheppard Smith had to leave.  He had all he could take.

Nicole Wallace, Elise Jordan and Michael Steele may be Republicans, and were George Bush supporters, but now they're all nevertrumpers and Trump haters. Joe Scarborough has been a vitriolic hater of all Republicans for years, which is why he has such a prominent position on MS-NBC.

The examples that I gave (Mara Liasson, Juan Williams, Donna Brazile and Mary Harf) were never never-obamers, and never hated Obama.  To the contrary, they're still strong supporters of Obama.  But they are all biased against Trump.

Therefore, all of those people that both of us listed (Nicole Wallace, Elise Jordan, Michael Steele, Joe Scarborough, Mara Liasson, Juan Williams, Donna Brazile and Mary Harf) are all on the same side -- hating Trump and biased against Trump.  So you've been trying to play me.

So you're completely full of crap.  You're apparently so stupid that you think that a Trump-hating Republican balances out the garbage on MS-NBC, or else you're so stupid that you didn't think I would bother to check.  Either way you're a liar and a complete idiot.  But let's face it -- what else should anyone expect from the left?

John Wrote:

David Wrote:What you call nonsense from Adam Schiff is now recognized by GOP Senators as fully valid and accurate.  Please, point out any fabrication that can be shown to be one.  Generalities don't cut it.

Oh, for heaven's sake, give me a break.  There are hundreds of examples.  Schiff fabricated the text of the July 25 phone call and read his fabrication on tv -- "I'm only going to say this seven times, that I want you to dig up dirt on Biden, and I want you to do dig up as much dirt as you can, and the more dirt you can dig up, the more aid I'll give you."

The thing is, people like you are so deluded that you think that Schiff was telling the truth.  You probably think that what Schiff said was the actual text of the phone call.  Schiff is a complete, worthless sleaze, a total piece of garbage, and you're as much of a liar as he is.

John Wrote:

(02-05-2020, 12:36 PM)David Horn Wrote: John, I'm really worried about you.  How can you be that gullible?

I rarely get angry any more, but I do get angry when someone tries to play me the way you've been lying and trying to play me.  You're a jackass.

(02-06-2020, 12:13 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: ** 06-Feb-2020 Pelosi shreds Trump's speech

Quote:> "On late Saturday evening (Feb. 1), Tencent, on its
> webpage titled "Epidemic Situation Tracker", showed confirmed
> cases of novel coronavirus (2019nCoV) in China as standing at
> 154,023, 10 times the official figure at the time. It listed the
> number of suspected cases as 79,808, four times the official
> figure.

> The number of cured cases was only 269, well below the official
> number that day of 300. Most ominously, the death toll listed was
> 24,589, vastly higher than the 300 officially listed that
> day."

> https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594

Quote:> "I don't think anyone in China knows what is going on
> for sure. I saw some of the small city governments ordered
> everyone to euthanize their pets immediately to prevent the virus
> from spreading. I confirmed that they really did this with a
> friend in XiAn. This direction was quickly overturned by the
> central government but it shows the level of panic in China right
> now.

> I do suspect the number of infected and death toll is
> significantly higher than reported, but I think the death rate is
> mainly due to the hospitals being over run and not having the
> ability to treat or even isolate patients properly. I note that
> outside of China the death rate is much lower.

> I doubt the quarantine efforts will be effective. It's already
> gone to far and Chinese people are very bad at obeying laws. They
> are cats and really can't be controlled."

Quote:> "Fake news in fake news.

> No-one is reliable these days. I would trust Tencent over the
> government but if no-one is actually counting..."

Quote:> "This story [Taiwan News] made the rounds
> yesterday... ...and the Tencent miniapp who distributed the data
> has now been suspended.

> (China specialist sales Jimmy, who sent the above, believes the
> nCov numbers are being seriously under-estimated. He remains at an
> "8 out of 10" on concern level. This is a contrarian view.)

> Contrarian because Asia tech shares are back within 1% of all-time
> highs.

> Among other reasons (nCov death rate is seeming low, ex-China
> cases have not exploded, new cases look to have
> peaked)... ...Huawei announced a couple days ago they are
> basically back to full production."

Quote:> "Original China Virus Whistleblower Doctor Dies

> The Chinese doctor who tried to raise the alarm about the new
> coronavirus before it was even identified has died of the deadly
> virus. ...

> As a reminder, Li Wenliang - who warned the public of a potential
> "SARS-like" disease in December 2019 - was questioned by local
> health authority, and warned: "We solemnly warn you: If you keep
> being stubborn, with such impertinence, and continue this illegal
> activity, you will be brought to justice - is that understood?"

> Dr, Li was later summoned by Wuhan police to sign a reprimand
> letter in which he was accused of "spreading rumors online" and
> "severely disrupting social order."

> https://www.zerohedge.com/health/original-china-virus-whistleblower-doctor-dies

(02-06-2020, 03:10 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: > There's so little reliable information on this. Just a few
> minutes ago ABC reported that the doctor was resuscitated after
> his heart stopped. I don't know whether that's before or after
> your report that he died.

> https://abcnews.go.com/International/doctor-sounded-alarm-coronavirus-death-chinese-hospital/story?id=68803847

Guest Wrote:> There is a luxury cruise ship docked and loaded with rich
> passengers in Hong Kong now under a 14 day quarantine. Bad
> idea. Why? Cruise ships have a central air system. Not a good idea
> keeping them all round up together.

> Yup, recirculating air. All fucked.

> Does anyone involved in containing the Wuhan virus even know what
> they are doing?

• Cruise ship Diamond Princess quarantined off Yokohama, Japan

(02-05-2020, 11:00 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: I found what he said about Israel's strategy to be quite
startling.  It described a major change in strategy by Israel's
leadership that occurred 15 years ago:

Quote:One more memory -- 2005 was the year when Israel withdrew from Gaza
and turned it over to the Palestinians as a gesture of peace,
something it now regrets.  The was perhaps the last major decision of
Israel's Unraveling era, prior to the beginning of the Crisis era, and
the disastrous 2006 invasion of Lebanon.

Quote:Which brings us back to Trump's "Peace to Prosperity" peace plan,
presented by Trump to Netanyahu in the White House last week.
Netanyahu didn't lecture Trump the way he had lectured Obama.
Instead, he was grinning broadly the whole time, and seemed to
be enjoying the joke.  Did Trump get the joke?  Had Trump
gotten the memo?

(02-07-2020, 01:31 AM)Warren Dew Wrote: A total of 61 of the 273 tests done on the Diamond Princess were positive.  it will be interesting to see how many of the remaining 3400 people aboard are diagnosed before the end of the quarantine.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/japan-reports-41-new-coronavirus-infections-on-quarantined-cruise-liner-11581045439?mod=article_inline

Then there's the third cruise ship with no suspected cases which has nonetheless been refused permission to dock at previously scheduled stops in the Phillipines and Japan.

Quote:> "Latest coronavirus tally:
> https://multimedia.scmp.com/widgets/china/wuhanvirus/

> My wife and I are under voluntary 14-day quarantine in
> California... so to say the least, I have been following the topic
> very closely.

> The South China Morning Post (SCMP.com) in Hong Kong has been the
> source of most of my information.
> (https://www.scmp.com/topics/coronavirus-outbreak-all-stories)

> You can usually get more up-to-date information about every 4-6
> hours there. Japanese newspapers also are interesting sources. An
> Israeli source mentioned that Wuhan is a center of China's
> biological warfare research.
> (https://www.ccn.com/israeli-analyst-one-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-less-crazy-than-you-think/)

> Pandemic vs. Contained Epidemic?
> https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/beast-moving-very-fast-will-new-coronavirus-be-contained-or-go-pandemic

> 1. It has *almost* confirmed that the virus is asymptomatically
> transmitted. Bad! Many articles allude to this, but the Tinajin
> and Singapore meeting cases seem to confirm it.
> https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3048958/5-coronavirus-cases-traced-chinese-department-store-who-was

> 2. My brother-in-law is a public bus driver in Xi'an. He is
> supposed to go back to work on Monday. He, as well as all who
> provide transportation such as taxi drivers, has been instructed
> to see the national ID card of every boarding passenger. Anybody
> from Wuhan is not allowed on the bus.

> 3. China is providing all the medical care to patients "free of
> charge" according to my Chinese wife. If that happens in practice
> is yet to be seen.

> 4. In the housing communities throughout Xi'an, as well as in much
> of the more restricted areas of China, each house can send only
> one person to a market every other day. There are some that can go
> only once every three days. My wife's family is on an
> every-other-day basis.

> 5. The United States, through the Trump administration, first
> offered aid to China on January 6, while Beijing was still in full
> denial.
> https://www.eutimes.net/2020/01/china-refuses-us-aid-in-fight-against-coronavirus/

> 6. The way the CDC allowed a very sick person on my wife's plane
> to travel from Shanghai to SFO, totally on the basis of lies and
> deception, means there may already be thousands of cases here in
> the United States yet to appear.

> On that last point, one must remember that many of the Chinese
> that came over here initially came over illegally, then obtained a
> green card through deception. The last thing they will want to
> voluntarily admit is "I had been to Wuhan." Under the current set
> of fears the Trump administration has given the immigrant
> communities here in America, nobody knows what is coming down the
> pike that may cause deportation. Another thing is this: Even
> illegal aliens get better medical care in America than the Chinese
> may get back in China, especially if they got their green card a
> decade ago based on a persecution claim. Another common problem in
> America is that up until recently, many Chinese green card holders
> were doing illegal work, so everything was paid
> under-the-table. They could be filthy rich compared to most
> Americans, but because of using the underground economy, they
> qualified for food stamps, MediCal, housing subsidies, and all
> kinds of things. If they went to China, then came back sick, they
> would get medical treatment, but at the same time their income
> would be examined.

> Because of that, if that coughing woman that sat in the row behind
> my wife had the coronavirus, not only might both my wife and I
> might have been infected, but also every person that woman has
> been around during and after that flight. Multiply that by all the
> number of flights and potential people trying to flee China right
> now, and we may already have thousands of walking infected people
> at this point.

> The CDC is wrong to assume simple questionnaires of passengers
> that show no symptoms at the time of going past transit points
> will catch most cases. Furthermore, you and I know that it would
> be politically incorrect to call Chinese liars."

(01-21-2020, 07:49 PM)Marypoza Wrote: > Bernie/Tulsi 2020

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