(04-01-2017, 09:07 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Don't fool yourself. White racism is real. I hear it often enough because many white people feel free to express it so long as there are no blacks around. It's ugly. It's much the same stuff as people said a century ago everywhere in America or fifty years ago in the South.

So why does it return from the dead? Because people stupefy themselves on brain-rot and soul-rot that emanates from the television, whether broadcast or from video devices. Human nature does not change. The Greek philosophers and the Hebrew prophets remain relevant because we have the same potential for crass stupidity and selfishness as ever. We transcend our worst lest we fall for the worst.

(04-01-2017, 03:07 PM)Mikebert Wrote: WTF?  Nobody is talking about Michael Flynn on the Russia thread?  I see a replay of the drama of two years ago with Flynn playing the role of David Wildstein. (Actually he is trying to emulate Oliver North, but Wildstein is more recent.)

Anyways it suggests that Flynn's lawyer things Flynn maybe be in some serious hot water.  This just goes to show how clueless Trump is.  Wildstein and North were bit players.  Flynn was Trump's primary advisor on foreign policy, a big fish.  It seems Flynn has been involved in all sorts of hinky dealings with the Russians and if he had any brains he wouldn't have gotten involved with a presidential candidate.  What, he did not think he would get scrutiny?  Now he might go to jail.  Who wants that?  A guy that colossally unwise had no business being a top figure on team Trump.  What clown brought him on board? 

But then Trump got rid of Christie.  Folks are going to jail on bridgegate, but Christie is walking away clean.  He's not stupid like Flynn, yet Trump boots Christie and keeps Flynn. What's with that?

(04-01-2017, 03:07 PM)Mikebert Wrote: WTF?  Nobody is talking about Michael Flynn on the Russia thread?  I see a replay of the drama of two years ago with Flynn playing the role of David Wildstein. (Actually he is trying to emulate Oliver North, but Wildstein is more recent.)

Anyways it suggests that Flynn's lawyer things Flynn maybe be in some serious hot water.  This just goes to show how clueless Trump is.  Wildstein and North were bit players.  Flynn was Trump's primary advisor on foreign policy, a big fish.  It seems Flynn has been involved in all sorts of hinky dealings with the Russians and if he had any brains he wouldn't have gotten involved with a presidential candidate.  What, he did not think he would get scrutiny?  Now he might go to jail.  Who wants that?  A guy that colossally unwise had no business being a top figure on team Trump.  What clown brought him on board? 

But then Trump got rid of Christie.  Folks are going to jail on bridgegate, but Christie is walking away clean.  He's not stupid like Flynn, yet Trump boots Christie and keeps Flynn. What's with that?

(04-01-2017, 03:07 PM)Mikebert Wrote: WTF?  Nobody is talking about Michael Flynn on the Russia thread?  I see a replay of the drama of two years ago with Flynn playing the role of David Wildstein. (Actually he is trying to emulate Oliver North, but Wildstein is more recent.)

Quote:Anyways it suggests that Flynn's lawyer thinks Flynn maybe be in some serious hot water.  This just goes to show how clueless Trump is.  Wildstein and North were bit players.  Flynn was Trump's primary advisor on foreign policy, a big fish.  It seems Flynn has been involved in all sorts of hinky dealings with the Russians and if he had any brains he wouldn't have gotten involved with a presidential candidate.  What, he did not think he would get scrutiny?  Now he might go to jail.  Who wants that?  A guy that colossally unwise had no business being a top figure on team Trump.  What clown brought him on board?

Quote:But then Trump got rid of Christie.  Folks are going to jail on bridgegate, but Christie is walking away clean.  He's not stupid like Flynn, yet Trump boots Christie and keeps Flynn. What's with that?

(03-31-2017, 12:25 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-30-2017, 11:58 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(03-30-2017, 08:37 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I have a different reaction. Trump has supported the Europe breakup. And many of us don't like that. And many of us DO advocate, at least in our passionate moments, that the United States break up. Actually, it would be the more-constructive of the two possibilities. It's the USA that is stagnant and stalemated by the reactionary right wing, now ironically called "red." Red states and blue states are not something Europe is saddled with. They don't have red countries and blue countries. They are all progressive compared to us. We are saddled with a group of states and rural counties who believe that God created the world in 6 days, that the most important issue we face is abortion, that climate science is a hoax, that our "liberal and socialist" government destroys character and is trying to create a global dictatorship. We are saddled with a group of states that send people to congress whose only goal is to block anything and everything, even their own president's health plan, and who can't be worked or dealt with.

No, I think that guy should not eat shit and die; we need to pay attention to the fact that what's happening between Brexit and Trump is that the two nations that led the way toward a socially-responsible, democratic, diplomatic-minded alliance won't be there to defend it from the Putins, Dugins and Bannon/Mercers of the world, and is no longer upholding it. One pundit on Charlie Rose made that point last night, and it's well taken. The current right-wing "populist" trend is destructive and dangerous. It takes us away from progress; it's like what happened in the thirties. And if Le Pen wins, all bets are off for a sustainable and prosperous future. The only way this trend makes sense, is if the resistance to it triumphs in the end.

1. the Eurozone has has a different problem. It's composed of rich countries in the north and poorer countries near the Mediterranean Sea.  Greek folks are being robbed blind by the EU. Greece has for some reason, but most likely its elites in concert with the EU are the parties involved.  IOW, the EU is the debt collector for assorted Big Banking interests within the EU. That is despicable.  Any entity that is in league with banks is to be reviled. So you are correct, there is no red/blue divide, but rather a set of countries that are creditors [liked Germany] and debtor countries like Greece. Feel free to do an internet search on how Greece is getting robbed blind. So, do you support austerity? I don't Greece, for example should never have joined the EU.

OK, your bipolar flare-up is over; a thoughtful post. Congratulations!

Greece is not clamouring to leave the EU. Merkel and Co. had to craft a balancing act between making Greece get itself solvent and helping it out. I think austerity was too strict, and that the EU needed more stimulus. As inadequate as Obama's stimulus was for the USA, at least we got one before the Repugs stopped it. AND, we have the FED, which further stimulated us out of depression, and THEY did not yet. They do have banks, of course, which helped cause the mess, and no I don't trust them. The EU should make them pay more taxes, and since these nations are progressive, maybe they are, or will; far more than the USA does with its Repugs who want to repeal Dodd-Frank. Greece also seems to have its own problem with its own rich hogs, and despite electing a socialistic government, seems not to be dealing with this.

Quote:2. US breakup:  Easy, Druncker is admitting EU interference in the domestic affair of the US.  Like I always say, nobody and nobody should be allowed to interfere in the internal affairs of any nation state. It is for that reason that I despise CIA meddling in ANY OTHER nations' internal affairs.

I don't consider expressing a point of view to be meddling. People are and should be free to express their minds in the supposedly free society. If we don't like it, toughee. Putin's is not a free society, so he was free himself to retaliate against Hillary for speaking her mind about his oligarchic disaster. And I am too. Putin's Russia is an oligarchic disaster, and the Russians should overthrow it or break it up.

Quote:3. Btexit: The British people voted for Brexit. That's democracy. The will of the people should never, ever be dismissed. Great Britain is exercising democracy in action by the elected officials in leaving.

And I hope Blair can get another referendum going, so the British can correct their mistake.

Quote:4. Dugan/Putin/Bannon:  OK, have you ever considered that this meme comes from the MIC?. The MIC is always looking for excuses to feather its nest. Here's the deal, Most European nations have a higher GDP/person than the US.;  I ask why should the we pay for Europe's defense? I think that's insane. The US needs to focus like a laser beam on fixing stuff right here.

Except that Bannon IS right here, and HE's what needs to be fixed. A pox on both the Duginists and the MIC. Neither are memes, and neither is Mercer; they are threats to our democracy and our sustainability as a nation and a planet.

Quote:5. Here's the other thing. I fear the MIC and their I-spy crap far more than Russia. I also fear ISP's selling my browsing history than Russia.  Folks who sell my internet data are just... plain... evil. Sorry. And, let me say, to  you the defense extremism for  defense of internet privacy is no vice and moderation in the pursuit of internet privacy is no virtue.

OK Barry, but "I would remind you" that Goldwater didn't get too far with that impressive line that expressed his intense Mars in Scorpio rising. I say, America first. Fear the Russians more than our own spies. Or better yet, fear them both in equal measure, enough to crack down on their abuses.

And with the abundance of evil in our new administration and congress, internet privacy is not at the top of my list of worries. But I hope this invasion is stopped; no telling where it might lead. If it arouses more people against the orange menace, so much the better. The Orange Menace and Co. also want to reduce our internet speed by letting big business have special internet privileges (abolishing internet neutrality). That will adversely affect me more, I believe. Internet companies already know what sites I visit, and recommend sites to me. If it goes no further than that, it's actually a convenience. But, of course, where greed is concerned, our American business interests are always likely to go further in the wrong directions unless stopped.

According to one report, though, GE is asking its fellow corporations to resist Drump's war on the environment, saying it's bad for business and that we need the alternatives to the fossil fuels. So, maybe as Mr. Summers recommends, some of Drump/Bannon's beloved "free enterprise" companies will exert some positive influence in favor of a modicum of common sense. It would be nice. Even corporations have some actual people in them, or so it seems.

(04-02-2017, 03:28 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(03-31-2017, 12:25 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-30-2017, 11:58 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(03-30-2017, 08:37 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I have a different reaction. Trump has supported the Europe breakup. And many of us don't like that. And many of us DO advocate, at least in our passionate moments, that the United States break up. Actually, it would be the more-constructive of the two possibilities. It's the USA that is stagnant and stalemated by the reactionary right wing, now ironically called "red." Red states and blue states are not something Europe is saddled with. They don't have red countries and blue countries. They are all progressive compared to us. We are saddled with a group of states and rural counties who believe that God created the world in 6 days, that the most important issue we face is abortion, that climate science is a hoax, that our "liberal and socialist" government destroys character and is trying to create a global dictatorship. We are saddled with a group of states that send people to congress whose only goal is to block anything and everything, even their own president's health plan, and who can't be worked or dealt with.

No, I think that guy should not eat shit and die; we need to pay attention to the fact that what's happening between Brexit and Trump is that the two nations that led the way toward a socially-responsible, democratic, diplomatic-minded alliance won't be there to defend it from the Putins, Dugins and Bannon/Mercers of the world, and is no longer upholding it. One pundit on Charlie Rose made that point last night, and it's well taken. The current right-wing "populist" trend is destructive and dangerous. It takes us away from progress; it's like what happened in the thirties. And if Le Pen wins, all bets are off for a sustainable and prosperous future. The only way this trend makes sense, is if the resistance to it triumphs in the end.

1. the Eurozone has has a different problem. It's composed of rich countries in the north and poorer countries near the Mediterranean Sea.  Greek folks are being robbed blind by the EU. Greece has for some reason, but most likely its elites in concert with the EU are the parties involved.  IOW, the EU is the debt collector for assorted Big Banking interests within the EU. That is despicable.  Any entity that is in league with banks is to be reviled. So you are correct, there is no red/blue divide, but rather a set of countries that are creditors [liked Germany] and debtor countries like Greece. Feel free to do an internet search on how Greece is getting robbed blind. So, do you support austerity? I don't Greece, for example should never have joined the EU.

OK, your bipolar flare-up is over; a thoughtful post. Congratulations!

Greece is not clamouring to leave the EU. Merkel and Co. had to craft a balancing act between making Greece get itself solvent and helping it out. I think austerity was too strict, and that the EU needed more stimulus. As inadequate as Obama's stimulus was for the USA, at least we got one before the Repugs stopped it. AND, we have the FED, which further stimulated us out of depression, and THEY did not yet. They do have banks, of course, which helped cause the mess, and no I don't trust them. The EU should make them pay more taxes, and since these nations are progressive, maybe they are, or will; far more than the USA does with its Repugs who want to repeal Dodd-Frank. Greece also seems to have its own problem with its own rich hogs, and despite electing a socialistic government, seems not to be dealing with this.

Quote:2. US breakup:  Easy, Druncker is admitting EU interference in the domestic affair of the US.  Like I always say, nobody and nobody should be allowed to interfere in the internal affairs of any nation state. It is for that reason that I despise CIA meddling in ANY OTHER nations' internal affairs.

I don't consider expressing a point of view to be meddling. People are and should be free to express their minds in the supposedly free society. If we don't like it, toughee. Putin's is not a free society, so he was free himself to retaliate against Hillary for speaking her mind about his oligarchic disaster. And I am too. Putin's Russia is an oligarchic disaster, and the Russians should overthrow it or break it up.

Quote:3. Btexit: The British people voted for Brexit. That's democracy. The will of the people should never, ever be dismissed. Great Britain is exercising democracy in action by the elected officials in leaving.

And I hope Blair can get another referendum going, so the British can correct their mistake.

Quote:4. Dugan/Putin/Bannon:  OK, have you ever considered that this meme comes from the MIC?. The MIC is always looking for excuses to feather its nest. Here's the deal, Most European nations have a higher GDP/person than the US.;  I ask why should the we pay for Europe's defense? I think that's insane. The US needs to focus like a laser beam on fixing stuff right here.

Except that Bannon IS right here, and HE's what needs to be fixed. A pox on both the Duginists and the MIC. Neither are memes, and neither is Mercer; they are threats to our democracy and our sustainability as a nation and a planet.

Quote:5. Here's the other thing. I fear the MIC and their I-spy crap far more than Russia. I also fear ISP's selling my browsing history than Russia.  Folks who sell my internet data are just... plain... evil. Sorry. And, let me say, to  you the defense extremism for  defense of internet privacy is no vice and moderation in the pursuit of internet privacy is no virtue.

OK Barry, but "I would remind you" that Goldwater didn't get too far with that impressive line that expressed his intense Mars in Scorpio rising. I say, America first. Fear the Russians more than our own spies. Or better yet, fear them both in equal measure, enough to crack down on their abuses.

And with the abundance of evil in our new administration and congress, internet privacy is not at the top of my list of worries. But I hope this invasion is stopped; no telling where it might lead. If it arouses more people against the orange menace, so much the better. The Orange Menace and Co. also want to reduce our internet speed by letting big business have special internet privileges (abolishing internet neutrality). That will adversely affect me more, I believe. Internet companies already know what sites I visit, and recommend sites to me. If it goes no further than that, it's actually a convenience. But, of course, where greed is concerned, our American business interests are always likely to go further in the wrong directions unless stopped.

According to one report, though, GE is asking its fellow corporations to resist Drump's war on the environment, saying it's bad for business and that we need the alternatives to the fossil fuels. So, maybe as Mr. Summers recommends, some of Drump/Bannon's beloved "free enterprise" companies will exert some positive influence in favor of a modicum of common sense. It would be nice. Even corporations have some actual people in them, or so it seems.

1. Bipolar flare up:  Yeah, stuff like that happens, but then again...
http://astrophilosophy.org/post/50103918229/mars-in-aries 

Quote:2. Greece.  Of course Greece isn't clamoring for an exit strategy.  Greek elites love the status quo , regardless of the ruin than that rains down on the masses. Greece is no different than the US , for example. Like, I think you've mentioned, we've had roughly 40 years of the axis of evil, Neoliberalism/NeoCONS. Their agenda is to ensure their own nest feathering , and fuck the classes of [destitute/working /middle .] I'm well aware that our own elites don't give a rat's ass about my class. Greece should leave the EU, it only has its chains to lose. The best solution is for Greece to exit the EU, declare bankruptcy wrt Eurozone banks, and be done with it. If Eurozone banks make risky loans at high interest rates, they accepted the risk, let 'em crash and burn.

Quote:3. Putin: The Russian people like him. If a nation's people like a certain leader, I'm fine with that. I'm not one to meddle in Russia's internal affairs.

Quote:4. Are you sure the US has complete freedom?  What about asset forfeiture where the government can just rob you? That's why I think the DEA should be just outright abolished. It's an abomination on freedom. I'd rather have meth heads around than DEA property robbers. Besides when it comes to opioids, it's Big Pharma that's the largest pusher. Does the DEA do anything wrt Big Pharma? No.

Quote:5.  Europe, pay your own way.  Y'alls GDP is for the mostly higher than the US. Europe basically needs to grow up and take care of itself.  Uncle Sugar has a shortage of sugar.

6. You are correct wrt internet privacy/net neutrality.  Commercial interests have way too much lee way when it comes to data collection and and service provision. Trump's administration is really out there on that and on never accepting the concept of externalities. The free market basically sucks when  it comes to pricing in externalities like pollution, displaced costs, and tragedy of the commons.  There are ways to completely fuck up the data you send to ISP's.  My firewall logs have all sorts of entries of Google's servers attempting to open some random port for some reason. I built a firewall with my Linux box that blocks everything and I mean everything I don't explicitly allow
That is layered with a /etc/hosts file that sends a null response to a whole host of others. IOW, I just opt out of data sharing.  Blocking unnecessary connections also boosts my effective internet speed. Ads don't download, scripts don't download and run, or run looking at nothing on loopback [127.0.0.1] which means if a script calls another script , it gets no response.  Internet companies do not know what sites I go to. Check out http://www.duckduckgo.com.
They don't save browsing history. Then on top of that is to adjust browser settings to chuck history. Like, I said, I used to work in Marathon's extranet, which means I still after a bunch of years being deskilled, I can still go to some security web site and lock down my internet experience. You see, Eric, it takes a hacker mentality to fight off external hackers. It takes a certain mindset. I got on the extranet team after I got caught hacking the internal intranet, there. My boss , saw that as a talent, rather than a detriment, charged it off as curiosity [which was true], and stuck me on the extranet team. It worked until the CIO decided to become a lemming and outsourced IT , just like a bunch of other companies. The H1-B's came, service levels crashed, and Marathon admitted its screwup, and insourced again. That's why I don't care for "suits" and their group think.  So... yeah, I think I could get reskilled, but Corporate America never, ever thinks long term, man.

7. GE.  Yes, another instance of market failure. We need an oil import tariff to pay for defense of both the Mideast Oilfields and shipping lanes. Only then, would imported oil be priced such that the real costs are known.

Quote:8. Blair:  Sorry, no endless redos until the desired results reflect the <wishes of some political group here>
One referendum is what is required.  Voter decisions must be honored regardless of one's private views.
Sorry, I won, you lost, deal with it.

(04-01-2017, 06:07 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I seldom watch TV news and never buy newspapers.  I get news from the web.  As many of the web sites I visit also do broadcast or hardcopy, I don't think this a big deal.  The significant difference on the web is in picking up links to the fringe extreme sources.  Forums like this one do make available alternate perspectives.

But, you have to be a bit careful.  If you want to review Black Lives Matters's agenda and policies, you visit their web site rather than trust opinions of extreme partisans.  The web is full of a lot of garbage.

(04-04-2017, 08:25 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(04-01-2017, 06:07 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I seldom watch TV news and never buy newspapers.  I get news from the web.  As many of the web sites I visit also do broadcast or hardcopy, I don't think this a big deal.  The significant difference on the web is in picking up links to the fringe extreme sources.  Forums like this one do make available alternate perspectives.

But, you have to be a bit careful.  If you want to review Black Lives Matters's agenda and policies, you visit their web site rather than trust opinions of extreme partisans.  The web is full of a lot of garbage.

Or Bob, you do what I did to discover what BLM is all about and show up at a meeting or three.  It didn't take me long to realize that the organization--and it is an organization unlike say occupy--has far more in common with the Black Panthers than it does with MLK.  Their over all goals I agree with--the problem they have is their methods are destructive.

(04-04-2017, 12:00 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(04-04-2017, 08:25 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(04-01-2017, 06:07 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I seldom watch TV news and never buy newspapers.  I get news from the web.  As many of the web sites I visit also do broadcast or hardcopy, I don't think this a big deal.  The significant difference on the web is in picking up links to the fringe extreme sources.  Forums like this one do make available alternate perspectives.

But, you have to be a bit careful.  If you want to review Black Lives Matters's agenda and policies, you visit their web site rather than trust opinions of extreme partisans.  The web is full of a lot of garbage.

Or Bob, you do what I did to discover what BLM is all about and show up at a meeting or three.  It didn't take me long to realize that the organization--and it is an organization unlike say occupy--has far more in common with the Black Panthers than it does with MLK.  Their over all goals I agree with--the problem they have is their methods are destructive.

Have you some alternate sources, verifications for your opinions?  In my experience, you are an extreme partisan.  When you do your, “I’m right the world is wrong” thing, I am inclined to put my faith in the world.

(04-06-2017, 10:32 AM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: Nunes has "temporarily" recused himself.

Special investigator here we come?

(04-05-2017, 09:16 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Bob, you can put your faith where you like.  Let me just suffice it to say I've been around BLM long enough to know what they are and what they are about.  And of course I should point out the wonderful work of Milo.

(04-01-2017, 03:36 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(03-31-2017, 11:58 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(03-31-2017, 04:44 PM)Kinser79 (to Bob Butler) Wrote: There's one problem with your theory.  They don't organize peaceful protests.  Were it merely that they would merely be annoying.  BLM mostly instigates riots and anti-police crime.  As for the police themselves statistics indicate that they are prejudiced against shooting blacks in proportion to the rate at which that race commits crimes--particularly violent crime.  Remember Blacks are 13% of the population but commit half the murders and robberies.

"Black lives matter"... or we all have a problem. That includes me, someone who could hardly be "whiter". A nasty society in which to live for any large population -- and that includes poor whites, too -- makes life more precarious for us all. Note that I did not say that violent criminals who happen to be black need a "get away from the consequences" card because some of their ancestors were slaves. Pull a gun on a cop and die, especially when the cops have body armor and almost invariably get the second shot with a more lethal aim. One reason for criminal homicides going down is that the cops now survive felonious assaults and those who commit those felonious assaults never make it to jail or the courtroom, let alone the execution chamber.

By the way -- I have a suggestion for solving many of the problems of any oppressed people in America -- more rigorous, effective s[url=http://generational-theory.com/forum/newreply.php?tid=401&replyto=24411][/url]chooling. If it works for middle-class people of every ethnic group in America, then why can't it work for...

Yes, parents must turn off the Idiot Screen and the video games.

The Tee-Vee is a dead medium PBR.  As for video games there is no concrete linkage between them and increased violence or sexism--but it is up to parents to set priories until such time as their children are capable of doing that themselves.

Quote:As to the matter with the organization known as "Black Lives Matter" (who is whom I'm referring to when I say BLM--unless I indicate otherwise) the problem is that they are calling for the removal of police from the very streets on which black people live.  I don't know what you know about crime, but criminals rarely commit said crimes right in front of the police (unless they are stupid) so removing them from our neighborhoods might reduce the extremely small numbers of people shot by police it will increase crime.  Crime breeds poverty which breeds more crime.

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Quote:I would also indicate again that the main cause of unnatural death amongst blacks is in fact being killed by other non-police black people.  If one wants to save black lives, black people should start by not killing each other.  In the words of RuPaul "If you don't love yourself how the hell you gonna love anyone else?".  Black on black crime is real and a serious issue but since it doesn't fit the hate the white man narrative BLM isn't interested.

What if I told you that white people use more drugs, use worse drugs, and get away with them longer?

So what?  It would seem to indicate to me that whites might have several factors going for them that blacks don't.  A greater proportion not actively poor (it is easier for a richer person to maintain an Oxy habit than it is for a poor one to maintain a crack habit--such is the difference between being richer and poorer), a lower propensity to act the fool while on drugs or trying to obtain drugs (I don't subscribe to the anti-scientific notion that evolution stopped below the neck in humans) regardless of class.  

But all of that seems to indicate to me that is a failure of the War on Drugs.  It seems to me that gangs and so on would have a harder time shooting each other up over the crack spot if one can go down to their local Walgreens and get all the base they need, and at a higher purity and cheaper price.  What drives gang violence is the profit to be made over the drugs trade, a trade created by prohibition--amazingly something that hurt the Mafia far more than RICO ever could was the repeal of the 18th amendment.

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Quote:OK, whatever one's ethnicity, poverty makes life far harder and personal decisions more difficult. I recall seeing a study in which much murder was over money. Middle-class people burned for $20 simply abandon their losses if they can't get them corrected.  For them, $20 is easy to come by. Poor people were more likely to act violently to being burned. Tellingly, middle-class people asked to draw dollar bills drew them at the right size. Poorer people tended to draw them bigger than they really are.

I have no solution to the class problem other than to increase police presence and liberalize the availability of starting businesses.  I've told people repeatedly if the black community wants to get out of poverty the solution isn't more welfare, the solution is to get a job, and if you can't find a job to make one up.  Of course after that I'm told I'm an Uncle Tom and that I should stop "acting white".

Quote:I would argue that there is an other factor that Blacks have that whites don't.  There is the whole "Thug Culture" thing.  It literally takes the very worst aspects of a culture and promotes it.  I'm going to refer again to Chris Rock's statements:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4

(04-07-2017, 11:23 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(04-05-2017, 09:16 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Bob, you can put your faith where you like.  Let me just suffice it to say I've been around BLM long enough to know what they are and what they are about.  And of course I should point out the wonderful work of Milo.

Hmm...  Not going to be trusting of Alt Right sources on issues of equality.  Prejudice and privilege are among their prime spinning points.  Not objective.

PBR Wrote:For people too poor for anything else, who have no access to anything else because other entertainments are unavailable (as in prison), are too lazy to find something else to do with spare time, or lack the desire for anything better, TV is very much alive and well as a medium.

Quote:Say what you want about television, but between PBS and pay channels like HBO we are having a renaissance of creativity in drama.

Quote:No Masterpiece Theater, Great Performances, NOVA, or Nature for them!

Quote:<snip>Muh BLM</snip>

Quote:<snip>Muh Drugs War</snip>

Quote:Enterprise? That has been a traditional escape from poverty in urban America.

Quote:It has a perverse appeal... when it is uniformly treated as repugnant, it will vanish.