(06-09-2022, 07:36 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(06-08-2022, 08:54 PM)JasonBlack Wrote:

Quote:Do Millennials really care as much about climate change as they do other things that are affecting us these days (and over the past 20+ years)? Prior to COVID, it seems there were movements for protests against big oil et al on climate change but weren't they mainly participated by Gen Z or the very youngest of the Millennials? Obviously climate change should be the big one for us as Millennials are at the age now (average age 31) where they usually would be having kids - something that affects anyone's outlook on the future in a major way. I for some reason suspect we will prioritise domestic things over global things due to how we're so directly affected. Look at the guns and social system problems and you'll probably see that more people would want to fix those before we tackle climate change and a war in another part of the world. I expect climate change will take a backseat vs things like ensuring their child doesn't become the next school shooting victim and having a decent stable income.

Millennials still have memories of when times were good. They don't have quite the backed-into-a-corner, "we have nothing to lose!" mindset of a lot of Gen Z (well "Gen Z". about half of what we call Gen Z is still later wave Civic, and I'd argue they are the most vocal of the bunch. the Adaptive second half of Gen Z are much more agreeable, goofy/trolly, less opinionated)

Millennials have no memory of "when things were good" if you apply an unbiased measurement to "good times".  There is a 5 decades long march to the right that has empowered the powerful and weakened the already weak.  It's as if a bedridden polio victim looked back on the "good times" when she could still walk with leg braces and crutches.  As a society, we need to aim much higher, but the memory of that target is fadin with the aging populous who do remember.

(06-09-2022, 07:36 AM)David Horn Wrote: Millennials have no memory of "when things were good" if you apply an unbiased measurement to "good times".  There is a 5 decades long march to the right that has empowered the powerful and weakened the already weak.  It's as if a bedridden polio victim looked back on the "good times" when she could still walk with leg braces and crutches.  As a society, we need to aim much higher, but the memory of that target is fadin with the aging populous who do remember.

(06-09-2022, 07:57 PM)JasonBlack Wrote:

(06-09-2022, 07:36 AM)David Horn Wrote: Millennials have no memory of "when things were good" if you apply an unbiased measurement to "good times".  There is a 5 decades long march to the right that has empowered the powerful and weakened the already weak.  It's as if a bedridden polio victim looked back on the "good times" when she could still walk with leg braces and crutches.  As a society, we need to aim much higher, but the memory of that target is fadin with the aging populous who do remember.

But millennials were children during most if not all of the 3T, and were largely protected from what you describe. With exception for the few who acquired great wealth, most of us who grew up working class or above were quite a bit better off then than we are now. It wasn't the best. It certainly wasn't the 1T, but unlike Zoomers, we grew up in an environment where we had enough to lose to be attached to some sort of structure. Zoomers are more likely to say "None of this is working. They have nothing more that they can take away from me, so I might as well go in balls deep".

(06-06-2022, 07:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(06-06-2022, 04:33 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: This Crisis Era can end without a shooting war. It can end with some radically-new arrangement that is likely to be either center-left or Hard Right. Whoever wins, there will be rearguard violence. This one will decide among other things whether property determines power or one-man, one-vote does. One side has reason and science on its side, but is unable so far to enforce its vision; it expects the culture to drive the reality. The other has a firm set of values that it has determined is the ultimate reality., and that brute force in the service of those values will establish what is right.

If the Hard Right prevails, then we will have a hierarchical, anti-egalitarian, and repressive society in which any individual thought, let alone any show of dissent, becomes a grave peril. That sort of America will have a brain drain much as have many societies similarly hierarchical, anti-egalitarian, and repressive.  It could also have torture chambers and shooting pits. There might be small rewards for compliance -- maybe occasional trips to an amusement park or a cruise on a riverboat casino -- in the equivalent of the Nazi Kraft durch Freude. Religion will play a role in offering a wondrous Afterlife in return for acquiescence with the hell that America will have become.

It still needs to be remembered that not only is all that true, but our very existence as a civilization is at stake. The climate crisis won't wait. Tipping points are starting now, and more will tip. Without a change of course this decade, we will not be able to reverse the crisis. It is not only the USA but all nations must act. No more should it ever be said that the next 4T will see the climate crisis come upon us. It is upon us now. Never should it be omitted from the list of events and trends within our failed society, such as the above list.

If this 4T fails and the hard right wins, fear will be a constant and ever-increasing pall. No street, no type of facility will be safe from guns. Violence will be oft-erupting, and epic disasters of every kind routine. Ignorance and superstition will rule the day, and that means fear over nothing multiplies as well. We will be in a new dark age that will never lift. Every group will be suspicious and afraid of every other; every group will try to rule over every other. And only some, the most privileged, will win. Exactly how long it will be until our republic and our civilization ends entirely is not clear, but certainly this will happen in no fewer than 2 centuries.

Today, people often still talk as if we have a future. They talk about what we leave for our children. People don't realize that we may have no future. The future is on the ballot, and it is partisan, and we don't realize that.

(06-09-2022, 07:57 PM)JasonBlack Wrote:

(06-09-2022, 07:36 AM)David Horn Wrote: Millennials have no memory of "when things were good" if you apply an unbiased measurement to "good times".  There is a 5 decades long march to the right that has empowered the powerful and weakened the already weak.  It's as if a bedridden polio victim looked back on the "good times" when she could still walk with leg braces and crutches.  As a society, we need to aim much higher, but the memory of that target is fadin with the aging populous who do remember.

But millennials were children during most if not all of the 3T, and were largely protected from what you describe. With exception for the few who acquired great wealth, most of us who grew up working class or above were quite a bit better off then than we are now. It wasn't the best. It certainly wasn't the 1T, but unlike Zoomers, we grew up in an environment where we had enough to lose to be attached to some sort of structure. Zoomers are more likely to say "None of this is working. They have nothing more that they can take away from me, so I might as well go in balls deep".

Quote:When ambient temperature is excessive, humans and many other animals cool themselves below ambient by evaporative cooling of sweat (or other aqueous liquid; saliva in dogs, for example); this helps prevent potentially fatal hyperthermia. The effectiveness of evaporative cooling depends upon humidity. Wet-bulb temperature, which takes humidity into account, or more complex calculated quantities such as wet-bulb globe temperature (WBGT), which also takes solar radiation into account, give useful indications of the degree of heat stress and are used by several agencies as the basis for heat-stress prevention guidelines. (Wet-bulb temperature is essentially the lowest skin temperature attainable by evaporative cooling at a given ambient temperature and humidity.)

A sustained wet-bulb temperature exceeding 35 °C (95 °F) is likely to be fatal even to fit and healthy people unclothed in the shade next to a fan; at this temperature, environmental heat gain instead of loss occurs. As of 2012, wet-bulb temperatures only very rarely exceeded 30 °C (86 °F) anywhere, although significant global warming may change this.[24][25]

In cases of heat stress caused by physical exertion, hot environments, or protective equipment, prevention or mitigation by frequent rest breaks, careful hydration, and monitoring body temperature should be attempted.[26] However, in situations demanding one is exposed to a hot environment for a prolonged period or must wear protective equipment, a personal cooling system is required as a matter of health and safety. There are a variety of active or passive personal cooling systems;[20] these can be categorized by their power sources and whether they are person- or vehicle-mounted.