FullMoon Wrote:> What are the feelings of the readers about how close we are to
> something more life changing than the pandemic? We've had what
> could be seen as multiple massive events in a short period of
> time. We're at the end of the era and it's not here yet but
> really, we can feel it now and it's a part of our daily lives.
> Just 2-3 years ago it wasn't half this bad. It's happening fast
> and getting faster. Please John give your estimation on the speed
> of the unravelling because it's uncomfortably quick now. Thank
> you

• Public debate in almost every country in the world is growing
  almost out of control. Central banks around the world are preventing
  a crash for as long as they can by pumping trillions of dollars of
  printed money into the banking systems.
  
  
• The world population is growing so quickly that more people are
  being pushed into starvation and poverty. I always refer to this as:
  the population is growing faster than the food supply.
  
  
• It used to be that there would be only one or two humanitarian
  crises going on at the same time. But today, there are over a dozen
  humanitarian crises. Covid has made this worse, but the number
  growing before the pandemic because of increased starvation and
  poverty.
  
  
• The last few years have seen huge refugee crises in Asia, the
  Mideast, Europe, and America. These are caused by the same starvation
  and poverty.
  
  
• The same starvation and poverty has resulted in local clashes and
  riots that have the potentional of expanding.
  
  
• Since Biden has become president, he has turned decision making
  over to millennials like AOC who are sabotaging America. The result
  is open borders, floods of illegal immigrants from dozens of
  counrties, spreading Covid and bring jihadists into the country;
  massive street crime in cities across the country; and now this
  unmitigated disaster in Afghanistan.
  
  
• China is suffering severe demographic problems, and Xi Jinping is
  under pressure to do something, especially about Taiwan. He cannot
  afford to wait much longer.

(08-20-2021, 08:38 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: ** 20-Aug-2021 World View: Multiple massive events

FullMoon Wrote:>   What are the feelings of the readers about how close we are to
>   something more life changing than the pandemic?  We've had what
>   could be seen as multiple massive events in a short period of
>   time. We're at the end of the era and it's not here yet but
>   really, we can feel it now and it's a part of our daily lives.
>   Just 2-3 years ago it wasn't half this bad.  It's happening fast
>   and getting faster.  Please John give your estimation on the speed
>   of the unravelling because it's uncomfortably quick now.  Thank
>   you

I wish I could tell you something that will make you less anxious, but
let's face it, if that's what you want then you're asking the wrong
person.

As I've been saying for a long time, we're headed for a global
financial crisis and a world war.  The timeline and the scenario
cannot be predicted.  All that we can say is that the probability that
it will begin "this year" increases each year.

Still, you've raised an interesting point that I've noticed and other
people have noticed as well.  There's a kind of "quickening," where
the world is deteriorating more and more quickly, and crises are
worsening and occurring more and more frequently.  Since you've asked
the question, it's worthwhile to give some of the reasons why it's
happening.

Quote:The core reason is that the Silent generation is now gone.  These
people lived through WW II, and they saw war, famines, massive
homelessness, political forces driven by sheer insanity.  When they
came of age in the 1940s and 1950s, they created institutions like the
United Nations, the World Health Organization, the World Bank, and the
Green Revolution to make sure that the mistakes that led to WW II
would not be repeated.  The Silent generation ran those institutions
and made sure that they succeeded.

Quote:The generational Crisis era (Fourth Turning) began in 2003, which is
when the people in the Silent generation almost all disappeared, all
at once.  The Boomers had already created a tech bubble in the late
1990s, and the Gen-Xers got revenge by creating the subprime mortgage
real estate bubble, which began to explode in 2007.  That was also the
year when the counter-terrorism efforts in the war in Iraq were
successful, with George Bush's "surge."

Quote:Barack Obama was the first Gen-X president, and it was one disastrous
policy after another.  He couldn't close Guantanamo prison, but he
released the jihadists that are now returning to lead al-Qaeda.  His
rollout of Obamacare was the biggest IT disaster in history.  On the
day of the launch, so many people had lied to him that he didn't even
know that the entire system had crashed hours earlier, and was not
operational for months.

Quote:Those are just a few examples of how things have changed since the
generational Crisis era began in 2003.  Here are some other examples:

• Public debate in almost every country in the world is growing
  almost out of control.  Central banks around the world are preventing
  a crash for as long as they can by pumping trillions of dollars of
  printed money into the banking systems.
  
  
• The world population is growing so quickly that more people are
  being pushed into starvation and poverty.  I always refer to this as:
  the population is growing faster than the food supply.
  
  
• It used to be that there would be only one or two humanitarian
  crises going on at the same time.  But today, there are over a dozen
  humanitarian crises.  Covid has made this worse, but the number
  growing before the pandemic because of increased starvation and
  poverty.
  
  
• The last few years have seen huge refugee crises in Asia, the
  Mideast, Europe, and America.  These are caused by the same starvation
  and poverty.
  
  
• The same starvation and poverty has resulted in local clashes and
  riots that have the potentional of expanding.
  
  
• Since Biden has become president, he has turned decision making
  over to millennials like AOC who are sabotaging America.  The result
  is open borders, floods of illegal immigrants from dozens of
  counrties, spreading Covid and bring jihadists into the country;
  massive street crime in cities across the country; and now this
  unmitigated disaster in Afghanistan.
  
  
• China is suffering severe demographic problems, and Xi Jinping is
  under pressure to do something, especially about Taiwan.  He cannot
  afford to wait much longer.
  

Quote:So if the question is: why do things keep getting worse, and do so
more and more rapidly, I would name two core reasons in this
generational Crisis era: the survivors of WW II (Silent generation)
have disappeared, leaving decision making in the hands of idiot
children, and the population is growing faster than the food supply.

(08-21-2021, 07:44 PM)Tim Randal Walker Wrote: > Regarding Afghanistan....

> Looking at various YouTube videos, it seems that Brits and
> Australians assign blame to Biden rather than the United States.
> He is viewed as a senile old man. "Cognitively impaired is the
> term I see being used.

• He lied on purpose to gain political advantage.
  
• He lied because he's senile, so he has no idea what's going on.
  
• He lied because his staff has lied to him, so he has no idea
  what's going on.

(08-21-2021, 02:05 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(08-20-2021, 08:38 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: ** 20-Aug-2021 World View: Multiple massive events

FullMoon Wrote:>   What are the feelings of the readers about how close we are to
>   something more life changing than the pandemic?  We've had what
>   could be seen as multiple massive events in a short period of
>   time. We're at the end of the era and it's not here yet but
>   really, we can feel it now and it's a part of our daily lives.
>   Just 2-3 years ago it wasn't half this bad.  It's happening fast
>   and getting faster.  Please John give your estimation on the speed
>   of the unravelling because it's uncomfortably quick now.  Thank
>   you

I wish I could tell you something that will make you less anxious, but
let's face it, if that's what you want then you're asking the wrong
person.

As I've been saying for a long time, we're headed for a global
financial crisis and a world war.  The timeline and the scenario
cannot be predicted.  All that we can say is that the probability that
it will begin "this year" increases each year.

Still, you've raised an interesting point that I've noticed and other
people have noticed as well.  There's a kind of "quickening," where
the world is deteriorating more and more quickly, and crises are
worsening and occurring more and more frequently.  Since you've asked
the question, it's worthwhile to give some of the reasons why it's
happening.

I see the Unraveling as the depraved behavior of economic, cultural, religious, political, and administrative elites who have a stake in ethical behavior yet choose unethical behavior as shortcuts to achieving what they want or maximizing their take (higher rents, bigger dividends, asset appreciation, higher profits, more bureaucratic power, sweetheart deals with corrupt officials, corporate expansion, tax cuts, regulatory relief, and greater indulgence). I look at the Enrob -- excuse me, Enron -- scandal as a prime example of executives operating with no integrity, caution, or conscience because of their position. I look at the financial and real estate frauds as a prime example of a speculative boom that devours capital, a Ponzi scheme with some construction behind it. Politicians of both Parties are culpable, so let's not make this into a partisan blame-fest. I look at the infamous succession of televangelists fleecing people while winning the sympathy of politicians because the flock of those wolves-in-clerical-garb capable of impoverishing themselves can be delivered to the politicians who win their support. (If one can con people for their cash one can also con people for their votes). I look at educational 'experts' who promote No Child Left Behind as a means to prepare youth for dead-end jobs in retailing, food service, domestic toil, and farm labor as an objective due to the underinvestment in industrial plant and equipment. 

Corrupt behavior by the Little Guy does not break the system. Someone taking a $20 from the till isn't going to break his employer... but he is likely to get caught due to accounting controls. Street crime usually has poor people as victims, and in a plutocratic order, nobody is more expendable than the poor except for street crooks. The big crooks have the power with which to circumvent accounting controls, and they have the authority to stop anyone from investigating them. It might not be as blatant as Lars Thorwald killing a dog who snoops in the flower bed in which he buried some damning evidence in Alfred Hitchcock's Rear Window  (Hitchcock has his way of dark humor, suggesting the cliché  "curiosity killed the cat" even if the "cat" in this case is a kitten-sized Yorkshire terrier (I think that is the dog breed), but it is easy to fire anyone who might suspect something. (It's wise to act stupid in so corrupt a circumstance if one wants to keep his job).

Television pushes overt, partisan propaganda as objective reality and uses means to strengthen its emotional impact without adding more truth. Thus on FoX News, very much a 3T phenomenon, a common practice for setting up a politicized story denouncing a non-rightist (Clinton is terrible! Obama is terrible! Bernie Sanders is terrible! Biden is terrible! Critical race Theory is horrible!) is to lead in with some violent crime so that viewers can already be angry when they see the story. The violent crime may be local news far away, but anyone who gets a large amount of such stories is getting manipulated. 

The speculative boom devours wealth while creating the illusion of prosperity. When people start to recognize it for what it is -- a sham -- then the whole edifice of financial and marketing legerdemain collapses. The recent underinvestment in plant and equipment has ensured non-growth in industrial jobs that pay solid salaries.           

Quote:The core reason is that the Silent generation is now gone.  These
people lived through WW II, and they saw war, famines, massive
homelessness, political forces driven by sheer insanity.  When they
came of age in the 1940s and 1950s, they created institutions like the
United Nations, the World Health Organization, the World Bank, and the
Green Revolution to make sure that the mistakes that led to WW II
would not be repeated.  The Silent generation ran those institutions
and made sure that they succeeded.

The Silent built institutions as "me too" participants in a GI-built world. The fault is that they founded few new industrial businesses. They did form professional practices (which can churn a profit), broadcasters, real-estate partnerships, government contractors (Ross Perot), fast-food chains (Dave Thomas), and oil-wildcatters (T. Boone Pickens)... maybe a hobby-like winery. One effect is that we have a big gap in businesses in a certain stage of the business lifecycle -- those that are vibrant with innovation and already profitable, businesses out of the infancy stage that are starting to be big employers but are not in the decline phase in which bureaucratic rigidity stifles innovation. The companies that the Silent formed either did not create large numbers of jobs unless those jobs are dead-end jobs. As for the Green revolution, that was Norman Borlaug, a GI.    

Quote:The generational Crisis era (Fourth Turning) began in 2003, which is
when the people in the Silent generation almost all disappeared, all
at once.  The Boomers had already created a tech bubble in the late
1990s, and the Gen-Xers got revenge by creating the subprime mortgage
real estate bubble, which began to explode in 2007.  That was also the
year when the counter-terrorism efforts in the war in Iraq were
successful, with George Bush's "surge."

The subprime mortgage bubble happened about eighty years after the bubble of the 1920's... and the crash came almost eighty years later. What generation was disappearing just in time for the subprime mortgage bubble? The GI's the last living adults who remembered the last bubble of the 1920's and who blocked any repetition of such so long as they had influence in government, media, and employment. They effectively suppressed any repetition of their childhood nightmare, whatever their political position. They could still convince their juniors that they had seen it before, that it turned out badly, and anything much the same would turn out much the same. Eighty years is the time necessary for the extinction of mass memories. GI-built institutions were seen no longer as the cause of overall wealth and social sanity; they were (after the GI's were gone) entities to be milked for personal gain and power.    

Quote:Barack Obama was the first Gen-X president, and it was one disastrous
policy after another.  He couldn't close Guantanamo prison, but he
released the jihadists that are now returning to lead al-Qaeda.  His
rollout of Obamacare was the biggest IT disaster in history.  On the
day of the launch, so many people had lied to him that he didn't even
know that the entire system had crashed hours earlier, and was not
operational for months.

I realize what you think of Obama... the historical assessment is that he pushed the economic measures that kept an economic downturn from becoming a full-blown depression. You can say what you want about Obamacare, but the early bugs are gone. You might not like its spending priorities -- but that is simply your values which are those of an ideological minority. 

So what really went wrong? Political results are never so neat and clean as is perfect. The concept of Too Big to Fail will almost certainly lead to "Too Corrupt to Survive". Obama saved economic entities that would have the cash with which to fund right-wing political campaigns against his political allies and stick us with such political sludge as Senator Ron Johnson and Governor Kristi Noem. Nothing quite works as intended. 

Our political institutions were not made for bureaucratic behemoths capable of buying the elected officials; it was made for yeoman farmers and small shopkeepers who could get little good from the Government directly. Corporate farmers are squeezing the small-scale family farmers out by using economies of scale in everything from water supplies to the costs of compliance with labor laws and taxes. Giant defense contractors have a vested interest in wars for profit. Big Business used to prefer small government, but it has found that Big Government can offer huge profits from crony capitalism. The system that best serves bureaucratic behemoths is fascist corporatism in which the State is the ally of the rich and the oppressor of the workingman. 

End of rant. 
  

Quote:Those are just a few examples of how things have changed since the
generational Crisis era began in 2003.  Here are some other examples:

• Public debate in almost every country in the world is growing
  almost out of control.  Central banks around the world are preventing
  a crash for as long as they can by pumping trillions of dollars of
  printed money into the banking systems.
  
  
• The world population is growing so quickly that more people are
  being pushed into starvation and poverty.  I always refer to this as:
  the population is growing faster than the food supply.
  
  
• It used to be that there would be only one or two humanitarian
  crises going on at the same time.  But today, there are over a dozen
  humanitarian crises.  Covid has made this worse, but the number
  growing before the pandemic because of increased starvation and
  poverty.
  
  
• The last few years have seen huge refugee crises in Asia, the
  Mideast, Europe, and America.  These are caused by the same starvation
  and poverty.
  
  
• The same starvation and poverty has resulted in local clashes and
  riots that have the potentional of expanding.
  
  
• Since Biden has become president, he has turned decision making
  over to millennials like AOC who are sabotaging America.  The result
  is open borders, floods of illegal immigrants from dozens of
  counrties, spreading Covid and bring jihadists into the country;
  massive street crime in cities across the country; and now this
  unmitigated disaster in Afghanistan.
  
  
• China is suffering severe demographic problems, and Xi Jinping is
  under pressure to do something, especially about Taiwan.  He cannot
  afford to wait much longer.
  

The central bankers can prevent crashes from spiraling into full-blown depressions, but they cannot mitigate the bad behavior of elites who can get away with seemingly anything. 

Zero population growth is one of the most effective ways in which to prevent an acceleration in the depletion of resources and the emission of even more greenhouse gases. People in the industrial West are at the point at which further consumption of stuff has a near-zero return on expenditure. How many PC's do you need? How many stoves? How many blenders? How many "idiot screens"? 

If you think refugee flows are floods now, then contemplate the consequences of anthropogenic global warming, when the seas inundate prime farmland now densely populated as possible with peasant farmers who supply the huge quantities of food necessary for several billion people, or when desert belts shift into what are now non-desert areas. I have seen conflicting models of how precipitation will shift (temperatures have less controversy). Will western Texas, now a marginal zone for grain production, become drier as the Hadley Cell moves farther northward or will monsoon conditions develop that bring more rain?   .      

Quote:So if the question is: why do things keep getting worse, and do so
more and more rapidly, I would name two core reasons in this
generational Crisis era: the survivors of WW II (Silent generation)
have disappeared, leaving decision making in the hands of idiot
children, and the population is growing faster than the food supply.

The problem is more that we have people more adept at selling nonsense than in solving problems. Our economic system gives the biggest advantages to pathological narcissists, if not outright sociopaths.

(08-21-2021, 06:29 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: ** 21-Aug-2021 World View: January 6 'Insurrection' hoax collapses
For almost eight months, the Democrats have been claiming that on January 6, Donald Trump incited an organized attack by White Supremacists on the Capitol Building, to prevent the certification of Joe Biden as president.  That accusation, unsupported and contradicted by facts, has been used to justify censorship and extrajudicial incarceration of political enemies, and charges of racism and White Supremacy directed at anyone who disagrees with the Democrats.  Democrats claim that it was the most violent attack on American democracy since the Civil War.

On Friday, the Department of Justice leaked reports that the FBI has found "scant evidence" that the January 6 attack was organized or coordinated.  Federal officials have arressted more than 570 alleged participants, often jailing them for months with no credible charges.  There were some small groups who planned to break into the Capitol, but even those groups had no serious plans about what to do once inside.  The vast majority of the arrests were "one-off cases" of people who were following the crowd when Donald Trump told them to protest peacefully.

(08-22-2021, 12:54 AM)nguyenivy Wrote: > I notice your comparison of the types of institutions the GI vs
> Silent built in their heydays. What institutions did the other
> archetypes of that time build & do we have any comparisons to
> today's set of archetypes (Boomer, Gen X, Millennial)? Were the
> Silicon Valley companies we're all familiar with now really a Gen
> X founding or more of a Boomer thing? My generation, Millennial,
> are still young enough that our biggest achievements may be yet to
> come down the road. If the GI are anything to go by, I'd expect us
> Millennials to build businesses & institutions of the type people
> the world over highly respect and can rely on for years to
> come. In a sentence, I imagine us building businesses that are
> boring but necessary, and not necessarily appealing to the
> emotions. Maybe re-tooling our energy needs away from fossil fuels
> & into renewables will be the thing.

(08-22-2021, 07:55 AM)David Horn Wrote: > Stupidity and incompetence never override intent. Was there a
> herd of sheep among the wolves? Yes. Are they being tragetted by
> DOJ (or any other law enforcement entitiy)? No. 570 out of
> roughly 20,000 is what we in the thinking community call selective
> enforcement: the worst bad apples only! Many of them came with
> plans, and, in accordance with conspiracy statutes, put those
> plans into action. They are clearly guilty.

> Don't believe me. Call any competent lawyer.

DaKardii Wrote:> Most of what Biden says about the Afghanistan situation are indeed
> lies. But one of the things he says here is indeed true, and
> that's us having no interest in Afghanistan.

DaKardii Wrote:> Meanwhile, Biden seems to be doing all he can to make the best
> argument for further intervention imaginable. Which makes
> me very concerned not only about the bungling up of the
> exit strategy, but also that it was bungled up
> intentionally in order to discredit the non-interventionist
> crowd.

DaKardii Wrote:> While I don't doubt that more people who voted for Trump
> than people who voted for Biden, I personally believe both
> groups are vastly outnumbered by the people who voted
> against Biden and the people who voted against
> Trump. Because if that weren't the case, we wouldn't have a
> two-party system.

Guest Wrote:> Does anyone really believe that the State Department doesn't know
> exactly how many American citizens are in Afghanistan and where
> they are in Afghanistan? That's just ludicrous! There must be
> thousands of American citizens in Afghanistan who are nowhere near
> Kabul. They were flushed down the drain when the plug was pulled
> and are now swimming in the Taliban sewer. There is no hope for
> them to get anywhere near Kabul, much less to the airport
> there. Does Biden think they can just get in their car and drive
> to Kabul and the Taliban will give them safe passage? How many
> have been able to do that so far? None. Zero. Zip. That would be
> international news. Just think, if they don't know how many there
> are, then how will they know when we get them all out? That's the
> question I would ask, if I were able to ask Biden and that masked
> parade of brown noses who stood behind him on Friday.

(08-22-2021, 12:40 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: ** 22-Aug-2021 World View: Greatest Generation

(08-22-2021, 12:54 AM)nguyenivy Wrote: >   I notice your comparison of the types of institutions the GI vs
>   Silent built in their heydays. What institutions did the other
>   archetypes of that time build & do we have any comparisons to
>   today's set of archetypes (Boomer, Gen X, Millennial)? Were the
>   Silicon Valley companies we're all familiar with now really a Gen
>   X founding or more of a Boomer thing? My generation, Millennial,
>   are still young enough that our biggest achievements may be yet to
>   come down the road. If the GI are anything to go by, I'd expect us
>   Millennials to build businesses & institutions of the type people
>   the world over highly respect and can rely on for years to
>   come. In a sentence, I imagine us building businesses that are
>   boring but necessary, and not necessarily appealing to the
>   emotions. Maybe re-tooling our energy needs away from fossil fuels
>   & into renewables will be the thing.

Don't forget -- you will be part of the new "Greatest Generation," and
your generation's accomplishments will be molded by the war.

• The Afghanistan catastrophe
  
• Reconstitution of al-Qaeda and 'Over the Horizon' warfare
  
• Resurgence of ISIS Khorasan (ISIS-K)
  
• Biden says he is just following Donald Trump's policy
  
• Generational Dynamics and the Democide Pattern
  
• Using economic leverage against the Taliban
  

• Setting a "date certain" of August 31 when all American troops
  would be withdrawn, with no conditionality on the part of the
  Taliban.
  
  
• Evacuating Bagram airbase on July 5, leaving behind billions of
  dollars in advanced weaponry, before American civilians had been
  evacuated from Afghanistan.

• 10-15,000 American citizens are left behind in villages and
  provinces across Afghanistan, with no credible plan to evacuate them.
  The same is true of the tens of thousands of Afghans who had worked
  for and aided Americans in the last 20 years, such as interpreters.
  Their lives have been threatened by the Taliban. The Americans will
  be used as hostages for years to com.
  
  
• The 70,000 or so Taliban fighters are now flooded with some $85
  billion in advanced American weaponry left behind, including:
  warplanes, drones, m16s, blackhawks, night vision goggles, 200 small
  aircraft, and advanced battlefield communications technology.
  
  
• This was not just an American mission. It was a NATO mission. If
  you listen to the BBC, the Brits are heartbroken and furious at Biden
  for destroying the entire NATO mission without even consulting with
  the other countries. The Germans, French and British calling it the
  "biggest debacle in Nato's history," questioning whether Nato can
  survive. Biden did not consult with any of them in advance.

• White House orders for a speedy military withdrawal put pressure on beleaguered Afghans as the Taliban surged (Washington Post, 19-Aug-2021)
  
• US allies deeply concerned by Biden's detachment (Washington Examiner, 18-Aug-2021)
  
• Biden, Allies Frustrated With Media’s Hawkish Coverage Of Afghanistan Withdrawal (Huffington Post, 20-Aug-2021)
  
• Taliban’s special forces outfit providing ‘security’ at Kabul airport (Long War Journal, 22-Aug-2021)
  
• US general tells British special forces: Stop rescuing people in Kabul, you're making us look bad (Washington Examiner, 20-Aug-2021)
  
• Taliban says hundreds of fighters heading to take Panjshir Valley (Al-Jazeera, 22-Aug-2021)
  
• Explained: Why Afghanistan’s Panjshir remains out of Taliban’s reach (Deutsche Welle, 22-Aug-2021)
  
• Afghan crisis: War clouds gather over Panjshir Valley (Tribune India, 22-Aug-2021)
  
• Biden administration freezes billions of dollars in Afghan reserves, depriving Taliban of cash (Washington Post, 17-Aug-2021)
  
• Ex-MI5 chief warns Isis could take advantage of Afghanistan’s fall (Guardian, 20-Aug-2021)
  
• Isis-Khorasan / Sullivan: US taking Afghanistan ISIS threat 'absolutely deadly seriously' (The Hill, 22-Aug-2021)

• US withdrawal from Afghanistan threatens Central Asia stability (03-May-2021)
  
  
• High farce and tragedy continue in Afghanistan, as Biden announces Sept 11 troop withdrawal (15-Apr-2021)
  
  
• Afghanistan prepares for war, as Nato postpones military withdrawal decision (19-Feb-2021)
  
  
• Chaos grows in Afghanistan as American troops leave in hope of delusional peace plan (18-Jan-2021)
  
  
• US and Taliban to sign laughable 'reduction in violence' agreement in Afghanistan (16-Feb-2020)
  
  
• Why we can never prevail in Afghanistan (16-Dec-2019)
  
  
• ISIS-K suicide bomber kills over 50 in Kabul, Afghanistan, registering to vote (23-Apr-2018)
  
  
• Taliban launches major military operation in Farah province in Afghanistan (16-May-2018)
  
  
• People are shocked! shocked! at Obama's war plan in Afghanistan. (06-Dec-2009)
  

(08-22-2021, 12:46 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: ** 22-Aug-2021 World View: Stalinist Fascist Democrats

(08-22-2021, 07:55 AM)David Horn Wrote: Stupidity and incompetence never override intent.  Was there a herd of sheep among the wolves?  Yes.  Are they being tragetted by DOJ (or any other law enforcement entitiy)?  No. 570 out of roughly 20,000 is what we in the thinking community call selective enforcement: the worst bad apples only!  Many of them came with plans, and, in accordance with conspiracy statutes, put those plans into action. They are clearly guilty.

Don't believe me.  Call any competent lawyer.

The Reuters story has proven all your claims to be total lies.

The Trump supporters were all sheep, peacefully protesting.  The wolves, the "bad apples," were apparently all FBI agents assigned to provoke violence.  None of those "bad apples" has been arrested, but were apparently used by Nancy Pelosi to stage the "insurrection." Only the peaceful "sheep" have been arrested.

In the meantime, massive violence and destruction last year by antifa-blm fascists has been excused, and those criminals all walk free.  Even people who were arrested were immediately set free.  Even the person who shot Ashli Babbitt dead walks free.

The Trump supporters are completely innocent.  The Democrats are supporting violent criminals, but they use extrajudicial arrests to hide their criminal activity.  Don't believe me.  Just ask any Stalinist or Communist Chinese lawyer.

(08-23-2021, 10:41 AM)David Horn Wrote: > I reread the Reuters article, and have a hard time getting the
> same "information" from it that you did. The only thing that
> seems to be off the table is seditious insurrection, because they
> were too stupid to have more than a plan to break-in. That hardly
> makes them innocent (especially when you cite BLM protests as
> models needing prosecution). There's still plenty there without
> that, and a few of them will get years behind bars for their
> trouble. Some BLM protestors will too.

(08-23-2021, 02:07 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: ** 23-Aug-2021 World View: The FBI and the Staged Insurrection

(08-23-2021, 10:41 AM)David Horn Wrote: >   I reread the Reuters article, and have a hard time getting the
>   same "information" from it that you did.  The only thing that
>   seems to be off the table is seditious insurrection, because they
>   were too stupid to have more than a plan to break-in.  That hardly
>   makes them innocent (especially when you cite BLM protests as
>   models needing prosecution). There's still plenty there without
>   that, and a few of them will get years behind bars for their
>   trouble.  Some BLM protestors will too.

Did you read what you've written?  There's NO INSURRECTION!  The
"insurrection" WAS A HOAX perpetrated by your asshole pals in the
Democrat party.

It's not even clear that "trespassing" was a crime on January 6, since
the Capitol was/is open to the public, and Capitol police apparently
invited the protesters to enter the building.  If some people
illegally trespassed, or if they broke a couple of windows, then fine,
prosecute them, though they should be out on bail within a couple of
days.

But many of the so-called "insurrectionists" were simply standing
around on the Capitol steps or outside the building.  They committed
no crime whatsoever, except the crime of being Trump supporters, but
they've were thrown in jail for months, often in solitary confinement.
Compare that to the antifa-blm fascists who burned down buildings and
cars, but still walk free.

So the next question is: Why did the Democrats leak the story about
"scant evidence"?  What was their motive?  Tucker Carlson has
investigated and believes that it was to prevent FBI agents in the
crowd from being identified.

The January 6 show had a predecessor -- a 2020 hoax to accuse a group
of Trump supporters of trying to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen
Whitmer.  It now turns out that the entire attempt was provoked by a
dozen FBI agents who had infiltrated the group and helped them plan
the entire plot.  The FBI was extremely embarrassed when the identity
of the FBI agents was revealed.

-- The group accused of plotting to kidnap Michigan Gov. Whitmer was
  riddled with FBI informants who took leading roles, according to
  BuzzFeed
https://www.insider.com/kidnapping-conspiracy-whitmer-fbi-informants-report-2021-7
(Insider.com, 21-Jul-2021)

So Tucker Carlson believes that the "scant evidence" leak was used to
prevent the false accusations from going to trial, so that the FBI
agents in the January 6 hoax would not revealed.  This is entirely
plausible, in view of Whitmer kidnapping hoax.

-- Tucker Carlson sees coverup plot behind announcement FBI found
  little evidence of coordination among Jan. 6 demonstrators
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/08/tucker_carlson_sees_coverup_plot_behind_announcement_fbi_found_little_evidence_of_coordination_among_jan_6_demonstrators_.html
(American Thinker, 21-Aug-2021)

Horn, you were an antiwar protester in the 1960s, weren't you?  And
what if you had found out that antiwar groups had been infiltrated by
FBI agents who provoked them into committing crimes to discredit the
entire antiwar movement?  How would you have reacted?  We know how you
would have reacted.  You would have been furious.

Now exactly the same thing is happening to innocent Trump supporters,
and you should be equally infuriated.

Horn, you still seem to be capable of thought.  In this I contrast you
to Brower who is no longer capable of thought, but has become
completely evil without even realizing it.  He would have been
perfectly happy in the 1930s doing Joseph Goebbels' job, or being a
Grand Kleagle in the KKK overseeing the lynching of blacks.  As far as
I can tell, he has no moral center any more, but is simply a sock
puppet for Nancy Pelosi.

But you still seem to be capable of thought.  Why are you in league
with these evil people who are infiltrating peaceful protesters with
FBI agents?  And that's not all.  These people are implementing
policies dictated by "the squad," who come from countries that hate
the United States and want to do everything possible to destroy the
country.  They let criminals out of jail, they encourage blacks to
kill each other on the street, they flood the country with Covid-laden
people from countries around the world, who flood the country with
enough fentynal to kill the entire population, they've turned
energy-independent America into a country begging for energy, and now
we have the Afghanistan debacle which was implemented in the worst
possible way.  These outcomes are not unintended consequences.
They're done on purpose to destroy the United States.  I can imagine
AOC calling home every day and bragging that she's playing a big part
in destroying America.

Supporting these evil people makes you as evil as they are.  Why are
you still supporting them?

(08-23-2021, 06:34 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: > Were you part of the insurrection on Jan.6? I call it the
> attempted Trump coup.