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RE: Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy - Kinser79 - 05-23-2016
(05-23-2016, 02:09 AM)Eric the Ignoramus Wrote: Which is why he won't obstruct justice. That would be far worse than allowing a few classified emails get onto her personal server.
Since you've already demonstrated that you don't understand that classified material getting onto this unapproved server is itself the crime, preventing prosecution for that itself is obstruction of justice. That is how obstruction of justice works.
Quote:He hasn't a clue about getting ANYTHING done. That is not his purpose; his purpose is fraud and deceit, and it works easily with folks who are easily deceived.
Yes, Daddy is terrible at business which is why he's a billionaire and you Eric are broke. That is why half of Las Vegas has his name on the buildings and you have how many towers to your name...none...right.
No, the only fraud in this thread is you Eric. And seriously saying that is insulting to conmen everywhere.
Quote:No she wouldn't. Drumpf would start world war 3 with his lunatic activities, insults and temper tantrums. Drumpf is capitulating already to the GOP. You vote for Trump, and you vote for Scalia.[/quote]
I'm pretty sure Antonin Scalia is dead. Furthermore SCOTUS justices aren't elected, unfortunately--seriously some of those clowns should be subject to at least retention or something. As for Daddy starting wars, yes one starts war by wanting to talk to Putin, and Kim and all manner of other world leaders and negotiating deals with them, one does not start wars by voting for declarations of war in the Senate.
Seriously it would be hilarious if I wasn't convinced that you burned up your last brain cell smoking LSD in the 60s.
Fun Article - Mikebert - 05-23-2016
Fun article by Chris Buckley.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/05/think-americans-are-angry-now-wait-until-hillarys-in-charge/
RE: Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy - Anthony '58 - 05-23-2016
"Drumpf" is an isolationist with an anti-Jewish pedigree.
He wouldn't start World War III any more than Demetrious Johnson would challenge Stipe Miocic for the UFC heavyweight title.
RE: Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy - Kinser79 - 05-23-2016
(05-23-2016, 10:17 AM)Mikebert Wrote: Fun article by Chris Buckley.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/05/think-americans-are-angry-now-wait-until-hillarys-in-charge/
Yes because nothing says deep political analysis of the election of the POTUS quite like an article from a British magazine. It would be funny except it is totally clueless. HRC will never be president, only her core fan base likes her, everyone else is voting for Daddy--well everyone with any brains at least.
RE: Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy - playwrite - 05-24-2016
(05-23-2016, 03:55 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:(05-23-2016, 02:09 AM)Eric Wrote: Which is why he won't obstruct justice. That would be far worse than allowing a few classified emails get onto her personal server.
Since you've already demonstrated that you don't understand that classified material getting onto this unapproved server is itself the crime, preventing prosecution for that itself is obstruction of justice. That is how obstruction of justice works.
No, intentionally releasing classified information is a criminal offense.
There are several problems for boneheads like yourself in claiming Clinton's criminality -
First, and foremost, why would she intentionally release classified information - do you now believe that she too is a Kenyan Muslim Fascist Commie bred and raised since birth to takeaway your freedom fries? Or is it simply that she's a woman and only a t-bagger, with a dick, like yourself, can be in the White House.
Then there's the problems that she didn't send the emails and they were not marked to her as being classified. Most of the emails in question were sent to others with even less security (e.g., Hotmail); can you even name one person who actually sent these email? Because if you can't, this has nothing to do with any actual national security and everything to do with, like Faux News, your Clinton Hate Syndrome. The information that has now been identified as classified has been retrospectively classified - none have yet been identified that they should have been classified at the time they were sent. That may change, but for now, you have absolutely no information to suggest otherwise.
Both former SoS Colin Powell and NSA Condi Rice have also been identified as having received unsecured emails with then unmarked, but now retrospectively, classificated information. Where is your outrage about that? They seem even more likely to be Kenyan Muslim Fascist Commie bred and raised since birth to takeaway your freedom fries, don't they?
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Quote:Eric
He hasn't a clue about getting ANYTHING done. That is not his purpose; his purpose is fraud and deceit, and it works easily with folks who are easily deceived.
Yes, Daddy is terrible at business which is why he's a billionaire and you Eric are broke. That is why half of Las Vegas has his name on the buildings and you have how many towers to your name...none...right.
No, the only fraud in this thread is you Eric. And seriously saying that is insulting to conmen everywhere.
If he's so rich, why doesn't he release his tax returns? What is he hiding?
No charitable contributions? Mafia connections? Maybe not so rich afterall?
Trump doesn't own most of the crapola with his name on it. It's all about branding. Super elites pay big bucks and/or give him some minor interest to put his name on their casinos, hotels, golf courses. That has the double desirous effect of keeping their names out of public view (the truly super rich don't run around drawing attention to themselves) while impressing the clueless sheeple like yourself - "ooh, look it's Trump Towers, lets go loss all our money, the baby can go without shoes!"
Quote:Kinser79
Quote:Eric
No she wouldn't. Drumpf would start world war 3 with his lunatic activities, insults and temper tantrums. Drumpf is capitulating already to the GOP. You vote for Trump, and you vote for Scalia.
I'm pretty sure Antonin Scalia is dead. Furthermore SCOTUS justices aren't elected, unfortunately--seriously some of those clowns should be subject to at least retention or something. As for Daddy starting wars, yes one starts war by wanting to talk to Putin, and Kim and all manner of other world leaders and negotiating deals with them, one does not start wars by voting for declarations of war in the Senate.
Seriously it would be hilarious if I wasn't convinced that you burned up your last brain cell smoking LSD in the 60s.
Having problems connecting the dots? Let me help. President Trump will nominate SCOTUS nominees that will be the direct opposite in legal opinions than those the President Clinton will nominate. Is that simple enough for you?
Trump will do whatever gives him the most applause. The largest applause always comes just before a war gets started. The NeoCons will convince his big hands ego that it will get the biggest stroke available to a President by sending other families' kids to war.
I might say that your biggest problem is your complete dishonesty. I might even say that you're so good at dishonesty that you obviously have some intelligence. However, in the end, most highly dishonest people are proven to be pretty darn stupid.
RE: Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy - Eric the Green - 05-24-2016
Probably. I'd say the biggest error that Trump and his trumpies fall for, is the idea that accomplishing something in business (to the extent Trump has accomplished anything), is the same as accomplishing something in government. Making yourself richer does not mean you can make the country richer for everyone. That's a totally different goal and accomplished with totally different means.
RE: Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy - Eric the Green - 05-24-2016
Hillary Clinton "Ask yourself, how can anybody lose money running a casino?"
https://www.facebook.com/msnbc/videos/1193784824051101/
RE: Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy - Kinser79 - 05-24-2016
(05-24-2016, 10:24 AM)playwrite Wrote: No, intentionally releasing classified information is a criminal offense.
Perhaps, but admitting to unintentionally releasing classified information reveals a degree of incompetence that is unacceptable in very low level Non-Commissioned Officers.
Quote:There are several problems for boneheads like yourself in claiming Clinton's criminality -
First, and foremost, why would she intentionally release classified information
If classified information is on that server, and she put it there I have every reason to expect that she intended for that classified information to be on that server. That or she's too stupid to even be running for president. You can take your pick.
Quote:- do you now believe that she too is a Kenyan Muslim Fascist Commie bred and raised since birth to takeaway your freedom fries? Or is it simply that she's a woman and only a t-bagger, with a dick, like yourself, can be in the White House.
Non-sequitor since I never bought into the whole birther thing. The rest of of it is pure ad hominum which leads me to believe you have no argument...no I know you have no argument.
Quote:Then there's the problems that she didn't send the emails and they were not marked to her as being classified.
Irrelevant. Any information that she had or has that could conceivably be classified, including oral communication, should be treated as if it is classified. I hope your investing is better than your lawyer-ing or you'll be looking for a nice new box when the bubble on the stock market pops.
Quote: Most of the emails in question were sent to others with even less security (e.g., Hotmail);
Doesn't matter. If the emails in question were entirely personal in nature then there was offense. But should just one email contain governmental business she'll have definitely have problems with the Library of Congress even if no laws were broken. And of course that speaks to a level of incompetence that makes her unsuitable to be president.
Quote:can you even name one person who actually sent these email?
Can you?
Quote: Because if you can't, this has nothing to do with any actual national security and everything to do with, like Faux News, your Clinton Hate Syndrome.
Because if you can't then this whole diatribe has nothing to do with reality, but rather your irrational hatred of Fox News (and I don't care for them either, honestly, their too far in bed with Establishment GOP), and your Clinton Hardon. I bet her wrinkly ass gets you all hot and bothered you dirty old man!
Quote: The information that has now been identified as classified has been retrospectively classified
Irrelevant. Information that was classified after the fact was supposed to be treated as classified to start with.
Quote:- none have yet been identified that they should have been classified at the time they were sent. That may change, but for now, you have absolutely no information to suggest otherwise.
Myself I'm waiting for the FBI to submit the report of their investigation. Unlike you I don't often talk from my ass and as such I'm content to go with whatever the FBI finds. It is the AG that worries me.
Quote:Both former SoS Colin Powell and NSA Condi Rice have also been identified as having received unsecured emails with then unmarked, but now retrospectively, classificated information.
Neither later stored those emails on unsecured servers. A government official receiving emails from an unsecured server with information that is later classified is beyond their control. What they do after they have received that information, however, is.
Quote: Where is your outrage about that? They seem even more likely to be Kenyan Muslim Fascist Commie bred and raised since birth to takeaway your freedom fries, don't they?
Who says I'm outraged? Just because you can't seem to have concerns about someone running for president (which neither General Powell nor Sec. Rice are doing--and are unlikely to do) doesn't mean that everyone has to run around like a chicken with their head cut off over every little thing.
But then again I'm not surprised really. Boomers, particularly white liberal ones, are not known for their emotional control. I'm willing to bet that the cause of that is their GI parents never telling them to shut the hell up.
Quote:If he's so rich, why doesn't he release his tax returns? What is he hiding?
You do understand that the IRS is auditing his returns, right? You do understand that an audit is an investigation, right? And you do understand that when one is under an investigation their lawyers (which I assure you Daddy has) usually tell their clients to not release anything that could be construed as evidence to the press, in fact failing to give him such advice would violate their fiduciary duty to their client.
Quote:Trump doesn't own most of the crapola with his name on it. It's all about branding.
Irrelevant. Using his name and brand under licensing agreements is quite profitable. Or is this about you being jealous that you have neither the wealth, fame or success necessary to have your own brand. After all the Daddy's last name is essentially the same as using short hand for being rich, and successful.
Quote:Having problems connecting the dots? Let me help. President Trump will nominate SCOTUS nominees that will be the direct opposite in legal opinions than those the President Clinton will nominate. Is that simple enough for you?
No I fully expect him to nominate SCOTUS justices that are the opposite of Clinton. Honestly that would be a good thing.
Quote:Trump will do whatever gives him the most applause. The largest applause always comes just before a war gets started. The NeoCons will convince his big hands ego that it will get the biggest stroke available to a President by sending other families' kids to war.
Not happening. If the Neo-Cons thought that was a possibility they would be openly courting him instead of sucking up to HRC. His positions on foreign affairs are pretty consistent from the 1980s to today. He opposes wars of choice, he would prefer to dismantle foreign bases (we can't afford them anyway) and where foreign bases are necessary we should charge the countries where the bases are for the expense of having our military there.
Quote:I might say that your biggest problem is your complete dishonesty. I might even say that you're so good at dishonesty that you obviously have some intelligence. However, in the end, most highly dishonest people are proven to be pretty darn stupid.
Actually I've been completely honest here. Your problem Playdude is you're completely divorced from reality. As for the rest of it, continuous use of Ad Homs aren't helping your case.
But I'll leave this with you again...maybe you'll just watch it (but I'm not holding my breath).
RE: Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy - radind - 05-24-2016
We seem to going back over the same ground. There have been news reports and the FBI is investigating. Beyond this no one has any facts on this case ,so it is all just speculation until the FBI report comes out. We should just wait for this.
This extract from a prior post does describe how classified information is treated( this info is consistent with what I observed while working).
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/20...ould-know/
What everyone with a Top Secret security clearance knows – or should know
… "Classified, secure, computer systems use a variety of electronic (often generically called TEMPESTed) measures coupled with physical security (special locks, shielded conduits for cabling, armed guards) that differentiate them from an unclassified system. ...”…
… " if an employee were to be handed information sourced from an NSA intercept of a foreign government leader, somehow not marked as classified, she would be expected to recognize the sensitivity of the material itself and treat it as classified. In other cases, an employee might hear something sensitive and be expected to treat the information as classified. The emphasis throughout the classification system is not on strict legalities and coded markings, but on judgment. In essence, employees are required to know right from wrong. It is a duty, however subjective in appearance, one takes on in return for a security clearance."...
… "Some may say even if Clinton committed security violations, there is no evidence the material got into the wrong hands – no blood, no foul.Legally that is irrelevant. Failing to safeguard information is the issue. It is not necessary to prove the information reached an adversary, or that an adversary did anything harmful with the information for a crime to have occurred.”…
RE: Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy - pbrower2a - 05-25-2016
The Secretary of State will not only get -- but generate classified data. It is probably wisest for the SoS to transmit it quickly on a secure line to its proper destination and destroy the potentially-classified data promptly so that it can't be stolen. Holding onto it would present even greater risks.
RE: Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy - Cynic Hero '86 - 05-25-2016
Americans are tired of boomer political elites unconstitutionally using their power to prolong their grip on government solely because they want to prevent the ideological realignment that would have occurred much earlier if they had not been usurping so much power. Trump is the wave of the future.
RE: Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy - Bob Butler 54 - 05-25-2016
(05-25-2016, 11:32 AM)Cynic Hero Wrote: Trump is the wave of the future.
Well, that's a ringing endorsement coming from a fan of Genghis Kahn.
RE: Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy - Galen - 05-25-2016
(05-24-2016, 04:16 PM)radind Wrote: We seem to going back over the same ground. There have been news reports and the FBI is investigating. Beyond this no one has any facts on this case ,so it is all just speculation until the FBI report comes out. We should just wait for this.
This extract from a prior post does describe how classified information is treated( this info is consistent with what I observed while working).
It would appear that her legal problems are getting worse. Clinton always was fundamentally dishonest.
RE: Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy - Odin - 05-25-2016
Many of Hillary's supporters remind me a lot of Trump's supporters, authoritarian follower types who insist that their shit-covered Dear Leader smells wonderful and attack anyone who says otherwise.
RE: Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy - pbrower2a - 05-25-2016
(05-25-2016, 04:16 PM)Odin Wrote: Many of Hillary's supporters remind me a lot of Trump's supporters, authoritarian follower types who insist that their shit-covered Dear Leader smells wonderful and attack anyone who says otherwise.
There are authoritarians all over the political spectrum, and they are all obnoxious.
Clinton's Guilty - Ragnarök_62 - 05-25-2016
Clinton's guilty and is a known felon now.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/25/politics/state-department-report-faults-clinton-over-email-use/index.html
Hell, her email hacker just plead guilty, that means she's guilty. If she has some sort of "official" reason for not being guilty, that's fucked up. Sorry, but everyone's the same or should be under the law. If that's not the case, then fuck it. It's now time to have the system just crash and burn. A system with 2 rules, one for proles and one for fatcats is not worthy of survival. May it crash and burn! Damn it all. Clinton's a no good lying sack of shit. May her and her rapist hubby just die already! Rats and roaches are far more worthy of biomass than those two no good, lying motherfuckers.
Go away now, you bitch.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/15/joseph-curl-hillary-clinton-should-face-criminal-c/
RE: Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy - playwrite - 05-26-2016
(05-25-2016, 11:32 AM)Cynic Hero Wrote: Americans are tired of boomer political elites unconstitutionally using their power to prolong their grip on government solely because they want to prevent the ideological realignment that would have occurred much earlier if they had not been usurping so much power. Trump is the wave of the future.
Hey forum, are we all still in agreement to not tell Cynic that Trump is a Boomer elite's ultimate Boomer elite?
I agree it has the chance of blowing his mind, but really, how much of an explosion would that be? I'm not sure he would even feel it himself.
RE: Clinton's Guilty - playwrite - 05-26-2016
(05-25-2016, 10:32 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:
Clinton's guilty and is a known felon now.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/25/politics/state-department-report-faults-clinton-over-email-use/index.html
Hell, her email hacker just plead guilty, that means she's guilty. If she has some sort of "official" reason for not being guilty, that's fucked up. Sorry, but everyone's the same or should be under the law. If that's not the case, then fuck it. It's now time to have the system just crash and burn. A system with 2 rules, one for proles and one for fatcats is not worthy of survival. May it crash and burn! Damn it all. Clinton's a no good lying sack of shit. May her and her rapist hubby just die already! Rats and roaches are far more worthy of biomass than those two no good, lying motherfuckers.
Go away now, you bitch.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/15/joseph-curl-hillary-clinton-should-face-criminal-c/
Rags, your Clinton Hate Derangement Syndrome really takes away from your otherwise sterling personality. You should go talk to a professional.
There are countless violations of FOIA policies everyday; if you make it a crime, there would be no government workers to run a national government.
Why are you not the least bothered that Secretary Powell and Condi Rice used personal email account for nearly all of their work? Given what they would reveal, why not any outrage about their emails not being released, subject to FOIA or reviewed by the FBI? Or, do you thing Benghazi is more important than 9/11, the role of the Saudis, Iraq WMDs and invasion, letting Osama get away? In that context, your outrage over Clinton seems a tad off, no?
RE: Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy - playwrite - 05-26-2016
(05-25-2016, 12:49 PM)Galen Wrote:(05-24-2016, 04:16 PM)radind Wrote: We seem to going back over the same ground. There have been news reports and the FBI is investigating. Beyond this no one has any facts on this case ,so it is all just speculation until the FBI report comes out. We should just wait for this.
This extract from a prior post does describe how classified information is treated( this info is consistent with what I observed while working).
It would appear that her legal problems are getting worse. Clinton always was fundamentally dishonest.
And you're claiming that is fundamentally dishonest.
RE: Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy - playwrite - 05-26-2016
(05-25-2016, 04:16 PM)Odin Wrote: Many of Hillary's supporters remind me a lot of Trump's supporters, authoritarian follower types who insist that their shit-covered Dear Leader smells wonderful and attack anyone who says otherwise.
In addition to calling someone's choice of candidate a "shit-covered Dear leader," you have used every innuendo, outright lie, and Right wingnut meme to attack her. And when someone points out just how imbecilic your claims, you whine "authoritarian."
While it is apparent that you can't seem to correctly apply that big word you have learned, I will still suggest you try something a tad more complicated and look up the two-word terms of "cognitive dissonance" and "psychological projection." I'm sure you'll wind up with the same level of misuse as your current big word, but one can always hold out some hope even for you.
Oh, and if that doesn't work, maybe look up and consider the thought -
"If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen."