(09-25-2020, 03:20 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(09-24-2020, 08:20 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: When your political agenda is nothing more than "stick it to the opponents", you eventually end up in the position in which others stick it  to you. It's a primitive attitude, one that some people never outgrow.

You're a logical man at times. It's too bad that you're not able to see and equally apply these days. "Stick it to the opponents" seems to be the common theme of both sides these days vs the common theme of the Liberal side. I assume the old social buffers and protections that still existed back then no longer exists today which means we are much closer to directly responding to each other with violence or equal in kind than we were twenty years ago. I have to say, you aren't as hard to attack and criticize as you're Liberal predecessors were back then. Plus, Karma's a bitch.

Quote:Hey you, who me Officer Krupke?
Yeah, you, give me one good reason
For not draggin' you down to the station house
You punk

Dear, dear, dear kindly Sergeant Krupke you gotta understand
It's just our bringin' up-ke that gets us out of hand
Our mothers all are junkies, our fathers all are drunks
Golly Moses, naturally we're punks

Gee, Officer Krupke we're very upset
We never had the love that every child oughta get
We ain't no delinquents, we're misunderstood
Deep down inside us there is good

There is good, there is good
There is good, there is untapped good
Like inside the worst of us is good
Oh, look at that good, good baby
That's a nice baby actually, yeah

Oh, that's a touchin' good story
Oh well, lemme tell it to the world
Just tell it to the judge
Ooh yeah, judge, that's a good idea, stop

Dear kindly judge, your honor, my parents treat me rough
With all their marijuana they won't give me a puff
They didn't wanna have me but somehow I was had
Leapin' lizards, that's why I'm so bad

Right, Officer Krupke you're really a square
This boy don't need a judge, he needs an analyst's care
It's just his neurosis that oughta be curbed
He's psychologically disturbed

I'm disturbed
We're disturbed, we're disturbed
We're the most disturbed
Like we're psychologically disturbed

Hear ye, hear ye, in the opinion on this court
This child is depraved on account
He ain't had a normal home
Hey, I'm depraved on account I'm deprived

So take him to a headshrinker
Oh no, goodbye buddy boy

My father's a bastard, my ma's an S.O.B
My grandpa's always plastered, my grandma pushes tea
My sister wears a mustache, my brother wears a dress
Goodness gracious, that's why I'm a mess

Yes, Officer Krupke you're really a slob
This boy don't need a doctor just a good honest job
Society's played him a terrible trick
And sociologically he's sick

I am sick
We are sick, we are sick
We are sick, sick, sick,
Like we're sociologically sick, oh yeah

In my opinion this child don't need to have his head shrunk at all
Juvenile delinquency is purely a social disease
Hey, I got a social disease
So take him to a social worker

Dear kindly, social worker, they say go earn a buck
Like be a soda jerker which means like be a schmuck
It's not I'm antisocial, I'm only anti-work
Gloryosky, that's why I'm a jerk

Officer Krupke, you've done it again
This boy don't need a job, he needs a year in the pen
It ain't just a question of misunderstood
Deep down inside him he's no good

I'm no good
We're no good, we're no good
We're no earthly good
Like the best of us is no damn good

The trouble is he's crazy, the trouble is he drinks
The trouble is he's lazy, the trouble is he stinks
The trouble is he's growing, the trouble is he's grown
Krupke, we got troubles of our own

Gee, Officer Krupke we're down on our knees
'Cause no one wants a fellow with a social disease
Gee, Officer Krupke what are we to do?
Gee, Officer Krupke, Krup you

(09-26-2020, 12:25 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: One of the rules of Olympic competitions is that if one cheats and gets an apparent win, then one loses. So it is with performance-enhancing substances banned by the IOC. Finishing first at a race or lasting longest in a weight-lifting contest leads to a loss of any medal and the potential for banning from competition for a very long time. Basically, if you cheat you lose.

A precedent for denying the Presidency to a cheater does not exist in American history. It exists in a country whose original founders established a political structure for whom the model was the United States of America. The Presidential election of 1986 in the Philippines devolved upon the military deciding that electoral misconduct that the incumbent President had directed effectively disqualified then-President Ferdinand Marcos in favor of Corazon Aquino.

(09-25-2020, 06:54 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: What will happen to Bob Butler's proposal that in the information age, important matters will be resolved by legislation, if legislators refuse to act to stop this nomination, or failing that, fail to reform the filibuster and the Court if they win the election?

A 6-3 conservative majority will NOT protect the constitution. They will protect conservative power and Trump's coup! Health care reform, action on climate change, protection of workers and consumers, fair wages, bringing back democracy to the USA, reform of police brutality and systemic racism; all these and more will not be allowed by this Court. The 40 year stalemate that began with installation of the charming faux-macho actor into the White House will just continue indefinitely, ruining our republic and our world. Trump must be stopped by any means necessary!

(09-26-2020, 04:28 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(09-26-2020, 12:25 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: One of the rules of Olympic competitions is that if one cheats and gets an apparent win, then one loses. So it is with performance-enhancing substances banned by the IOC. Finishing first at a race or lasting longest in a weight-lifting contest leads to a loss of any medal and the potential for banning from competition for a very long time. Basically, if you cheat you lose.

A precedent for denying the Presidency to a cheater does not exist in American history. It exists in a country whose original founders established a political structure for whom the model was the United States of America. The Presidential election of 1986 in the Philippines devolved upon the military deciding that electoral misconduct that the incumbent President had directed effectively disqualified then-President Ferdinand Marcos in favor of Corazon Aquino.

Nitpick.  Essentially true, but there is a long tradition that those impeached can no longer serve in the government.

(09-26-2020, 10:28 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(09-25-2020, 06:54 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: What will happen to Bob Butler's proposal that in the information age, important matters will be resolved by legislation, if legislators refuse to act to stop this nomination, or failing that, fail to reform the filibuster and the Court if they win the election?

A 6-3 conservative majority will NOT protect the constitution. They will protect conservative power and Trump's coup! Health care reform, action on climate change, protection of workers and consumers, fair wages, bringing back democracy to the USA, reform of police brutality and systemic racism; all these and more will not be allowed by this Court. The 40 year stalemate that began with installation of the charming faux-macho actor into the White House will just continue indefinitely, ruining our republic and our world. Trump must be stopped by any means necessary!

I've heard a lot from legal experts lately that the only true solution is a landslide election that can't be dissected by the courts on any grounds that aren't patently illegal themselves.  If they take that step, and try to hand the election to the obvious losers, then anything is permissible -- and God help us.

(09-26-2020, 01:03 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: That would be a partial solution. Unless the Democrats use their new majority to reduce or end the filibuster and add more liberal justices to the Court, an electoral victory for Democrats will mean little. Also, it will mean little if Kamala Harris is nominated for president.

Is a landslide victory possible? It depends what you mean. Trump has the automatic loyalty of 43% of the voters, so the maximum vote the Democrats can get in 2020 is about 56%. An electoral college win over 300 votes is possible, but over 400 (as in 1984, 1972 or 1964) is impossible. So I am not sure if a victory on this scale is enough to overpower the courts. The ultimate problem with the USA is found among the people themselves. We have the government and the problems that we voted for.

(09-26-2020, 01:25 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: The predominant ideology of the conservative side among most of its adherents seems to be: "I hate liberals"

(09-26-2020, 03:03 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(09-26-2020, 01:25 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: The predominant ideology of the conservative side among most of its adherents seems to be: "I hate liberals"

They want super-cheap, cowed labor in their "dark satanic mills" or on their giant plantations (American farming is becoming that, it is sad to say), and cannon fodder to spread their sick way of life into places in which such is unwelcome...

Why do they call them ‘tell all books’ if they come out every few days?  If one of them really told everything, would you need the others? 

(09-29-2020, 03:08 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Why do they call them ‘tell all books’ if they come out every few days?  If one of them really told everything, would you need the others? 

The latest book Rachel is featuring is by Andrew Weissmann, a member of the team that was supposed to do the Mueller Report.  Supposed to.  It seems to tell more about why nothing could be done if you were very aware that the subject of the investigation could fire the investigators.

The consensus was that sometimes it is your job to step on the proverbial landmine.

(09-29-2020, 08:17 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I don't often bother with the anti Trump adds, but Sully did one well, covered lots of bases.