(10-01-2017, 07:30 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(09-30-2017, 12:22 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(09-30-2017, 12:11 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: ...and while President Nero fiddles his self-praise, people die in Puerto Rico because they aren't getting such necessities as fresh water, medical treatment, food, cooling (as for insulin)...

A small but pertinent part of it is that the mayor is female.  You just know he isn't going to respond well.

Bob, if you are going to speak against stereotypes, you shouldn't be directly associated with them.

(10-01-2017, 08:11 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(10-01-2017, 07:30 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(09-30-2017, 12:22 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(09-30-2017, 12:11 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: ...and while President Nero fiddles his self-praise, people die in Puerto Rico because they aren't getting such necessities as fresh water, medical treatment, food, cooling (as for insulin)...

A small but pertinent part of it is that the mayor is female.  You just know he isn't going to respond well.

Bob, if you are going to speak against stereotypes, you shouldn't be directly associated with them.

A lot of people are doing negative press, including that.  Allegedly (and in the coverage) Trump rants against the ladies,  I think it is overdone.  If any faction finds something to rail about, they will rail.  They had decades to work against Hillary.  For the time being it is part of the literary landscape.  At a guess, Trump isn't as bad as presented, as sold. but if there weren't truth in it, it would not be such a frequent and well sourced series.

(With CNN representing the left, and Breitbart the base right, is seems Trump is getting it from both sides.  You are going to have to get used to it.)


When I'm feeling mean, I can present Trump as a high ego narcissist with a thing towards women, a love for attention, an allergy for criticism, and lacking the people skills to hold a group together.  I doubt I'm surprising anyone with any of that.  I don't try to apply it to a large group, such as all Republicans, all welfare recipients, or all people of a given skin pigmentation.  I base it on readily available multiple sourced reporting.

Now, a partisan will often see their guy as perfect and label any criticism as fake news, stereotype, negative campaigning or whatever.  To be expected.  Sometimes true.  You may even believe it full time true.  Sill, you ought to see where the stories originated and see if the pattern is real.

To me, this pattern is real.  To a partisan, probably not.

(10-01-2017, 09:37 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-01-2017, 08:11 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: When I'm feeling mean, I can present Trump as a high ego narcissist with a thing towards women, a love for attention, an allergy for criticism, and lacking the people skills to hold a group together. 

Trump is an asshole.

(10-01-2017, 10:51 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(10-01-2017, 09:37 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-01-2017, 08:11 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: When I'm feeling mean, I can present Trump as a high ego narcissist with a thing towards women, a love for attention, an allergy for criticism, and lacking the people skills to hold a group together. 

Trump is an asshole.

See.  You are a perfectly good writer.

Problem.  We seem to agree on something.  

I do try to be a bit more specific.

There is a difference between stereotyping and criticizing an individual.  If I were to write a generalization about 'the swamp', I'd want it to fit most of them and be a bit nervous that any generalization will miss a few.  If I write something about Trump, well, there is lots of source material and any politician is fair game by some standards.

(10-01-2017, 07:30 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(09-30-2017, 12:22 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(09-30-2017, 12:11 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: ...and while President Nero fiddles his self-praise, people die in Puerto Rico because they aren't getting such necessities as fresh water, medical treatment, food, cooling (as for insulin)...

A small but pertinent part of it is that the mayor is female.  You just know he isn't going to respond well.

Bob, if you are going to speak against stereotypes, you shouldn't be directly associated with them.

(10-02-2017, 09:41 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Yes, she is female.  I consider that a fact rather than a stereotype.

Yes, he, meaning Trump, did not respond well.  It is not a broad painting of a larger group of people.  It is a well documented tendency of a particular (expletive deleted).

I suspect that I was somewhere inconsistent.  I'm not pretending to be holier than thou.  Your accusation above is not a good illustration.

(10-02-2017, 11:36 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-02-2017, 09:41 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Yes, she is female.  I consider that a fact rather than a stereotype.

Yes, he, meaning Trump, did not respond well.  It is not a broad painting of a larger group of people.  It is a well documented tendency of a particular (expletive deleted).

I suspect that I was somewhere inconsistent.  I'm not pretending to be holier than thou.  Your accusation above is not a good illustration.

Actually, you've been consistent and you were being consistent with the blue's view of the males on the other side. We are all anti-women, we look down on women, we don't believe in women, we don't respect women, we don't care about women and so forth. We are also racists, homophobes, fascists and so on according to the stereotype. Yes, she is a female. What kind of female is she? Is she competent? Is she power hungry and politically ruthless like Clinton? Is she greedy? Is she honest and wholesome or an evil  cunt? You must know her better than me.

I've met/seen a lot of women during my life. You don't know what type of woman she is until you see them in action, she their personalities, see their weakness's and their flaws. We know that blue women are the best. We are often told/ propagandized by the blues that their women are the best. Blue women are the most educated, the most knowledgeable, the most competent, the most respectful, the most kind and generous women on earth. Red women are fools who don't know their interests, women who don't know their place, women who don't know what their interests are or what their interests should be, women who don't know how they should be politically aligned and so forth.

(10-02-2017, 12:16 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(10-02-2017, 11:36 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-02-2017, 09:41 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Yes, she is female.  I consider that a fact rather than a stereotype.

Yes, he, meaning Trump, did not respond well.  It is not a broad painting of a larger group of people.  It is a well documented tendency of a particular (expletive deleted).

I suspect that I was somewhere inconsistent.  I'm not pretending to be holier than thou.  Your accusation above is not a good illustration.

Actually, you've been consistent and you were being consistent with the blue's view of the males on the other side. We are all anti-women, we look down on women, we don't believe in women, we don't respect women, we don't care about women and so forth. We are also racists, homophobes, fascists and so on according to the stereotype. Yes, she is a female. What kind of female is she? Is she competent? Is she power hungry and politically ruthless like Clinton? Is she greedy? Is she honest and wholesome or an evil  cunt? You must know her better than me.

I've met/seen a lot of women during my life. You don't know what type of woman she is until you see them in action, she their personalities, see their weakness's and their flaws. We know that blue women are the best. We are often told/ propagandized by the blues that their women are the best. Blue women are the most educated, the most knowledgeable, the most competent, the most respectful, the most kind and generous women on earth. Red women are fools who don't know their interests, women who don't know their place, women who don't know what their interests are or what their interests should be, women who don't know how they should be politically aligned and so forth.

You may see, like President Trump, Mayor Carmen Yulin Cruz as a shrill Cassandra. But she is in far better position (word of mouth) to know what reality is in Puerto Rico, especially in its hurricane-ravaged back country, than he does. Word of mouth, which is good enough to make a failure out of an expensively-produced and lavishly-marketed cinematic bomb, can spread a meme quickly. This time the memes that no longer have landline or even cellular phones to get out the message, are word-of-mouth. Donald Trump has only his optimism about a bad situation.

If "Red" women were to get more education (and their daughters might), then they would less likely be "Red". The personal qualities that make a registered nurse a registered nurse instead of a waitress-short-order cook- cashier at a chain restaurant off Exit 33 are more likely to make the registered nurse a Democrat. "Red" women are more likely to submit to husbands who expect such submission.

I can already predict that Mayor Cruz will be present at the Democratic National Convention in 2020. She will give Hell to President Trump and his enablers. Well-deserved hell, that is.

(10-02-2017, 12:24 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-02-2017, 12:16 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: You may see, like President Trump, Mayor Carmen Yulin Cruz as a shrill Cassandra. But she is in far better position (word of mouth) to know what reality is in Puerto Rico, especially in its hurricane-ravaged back country, than he does. Word of mouth, which is good enough to make a failure out of an expensively-produced and lavishly-marketed cinematic bomb, can spread a meme quickly. This time the memes that no longer have landline or even cellular phones to get out the message, are word-of-mouth. Donald Trump has only his optimism about a bad situation.

If "Red" women were to get more education (and their daughters might), then they would less likely be "Red". The personal qualities that make a registered nurse a registered nurse instead of a waitress-short-order cook- cashier at a chain restaurant off Exit 33 are more likely to make the registered nurse a Democrat. "Red" women are more likely to submit to husbands who expect such submission.

I can already predict that Mayor Cruz will be present at the Democratic National Convention in 2020. She will give Hell to President Trump and his enablers. Well-deserved hell, that is.

Gee, my Republican voting mother was a registered nurse.

(10-02-2017, 12:24 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-02-2017, 12:16 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(10-02-2017, 11:36 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-02-2017, 09:41 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Yes, she is female.  I consider that a fact rather than a stereotype.

Yes, he, meaning Trump, did not respond well.  It is not a broad painting of a larger group of people.  It is a well documented tendency of a particular (expletive deleted).

I suspect that I was somewhere inconsistent.  I'm not pretending to be holier than thou.  Your accusation above is not a good illustration.

Actually, you've been consistent and you were being consistent with the blue's view of the males on the other side. We are all anti-women, we look down on women, we don't believe in women, we don't respect women, we don't care about women and so forth. We are also racists, homophobes, fascists and so on according to the stereotype. Yes, she is a female. What kind of female is she? Is she competent? Is she power hungry and politically ruthless like Clinton? Is she greedy? Is she honest and wholesome or an evil  cunt? You must know her better than me.

I've met/seen a lot of women during my life. You don't know what type of woman she is until you see them in action, she their personalities, see their weakness's and their flaws. We know that blue women are the best. We are often told/ propagandized by the blues that their women are the best. Blue women are the most educated, the most knowledgeable, the most competent, the most respectful, the most kind and generous women on earth. Red women are fools who don't know their interests, women who don't know their place, women who don't know what their interests are or what their interests should be, women who don't know how they should be politically aligned and so forth.

You may see, like President Trump, Mayor Carmen Yulin Cruz as a shrill Cassandra. But she is in far better position (word of mouth) to know what reality is in Puerto Rico, especially in its hurricane-ravaged back country, than he does. Word of mouth, which is good enough to make a failure out of an expensively-produced and lavishly-marketed cinematic bomb, can spread a meme quickly. This time the memes that no longer have landline or even cellular phones to get out the message, are word-of-mouth. Donald Trump has only his optimism about a bad situation.

If "Red" women were to get more education (and their daughters might), then they would less likely be "Red". The personal qualities that make a registered nurse a registered nurse instead of a waitress-short-order cook- cashier at a chain restaurant off Exit 33 are more likely to make the registered nurse a Democrat. "Red" women are more likely to submit to husbands who expect such submission.

I can already predict that Mayor Cruz will be present at the Democratic National Convention in 2020. She will give Hell to President Trump and his enablers. Well-deserved hell, that is.

Gee, my Republican voting mother was a registered nurse.

(10-02-2017, 11:36 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-02-2017, 09:41 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Yes, she is female.  I consider that a fact rather than a stereotype.

Yes, he, meaning Trump, did not respond well.  It is not a broad painting of a larger group of people.  It is a well documented tendency of a particular (expletive deleted).

I suspect that I was somewhere inconsistent.  I'm not pretending to be holier than thou.  Your accusation above is not a good illustration.

Actually, you've been consistent and you were being consistent with the blue's view of the males on the other side. We are all anti-women, we look down on women, we don't believe in women, we don't respect women, we don't care about women and so forth. We are also racists, homophobes, fascists and so on according to the stereotype. Yes, she is a female. What kind of female is she? Is she competent? Is she power hungry and politically ruthless like Clinton? Is she greedy? Is she honest and wholesome or an evil  cunt? You must know her better than me.

I've met/seen a lot of women during my life. You don't know what type of woman she is until you see them in action, she their personalities, see their weakness's and their flaws. We know that blue women are the best. We are often told/ propagandized by the blues that their women are the best. Blue women are the most educated, the most knowledgeable, the most competent, the most respectful, the most kind and generous women on earth. Red women are fools who don't know their interests, women who don't know their place, women who don't know what their interests are or what their interests should be, women who don't know how they should be politically aligned and so forth.

Quote:George Papadopoulos, the Trump foreign policy aide who pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, initially misled agents out of what he claimed was loyalty to President Donald Trump, according to a person with direct knowledge of the investigation.
Trump had publicly denied that there had been any contact between his campaign and Russian officials, and Papadopoulos did not want to contradict the official line, the source said.

“It’s all fake news,” Trump said of any alleged connections in January. “It’s phony stuff. It didn’t happen.”

Papadopoulos met with the FBI agents investigating those alleged ties shortly thereafter, and he later acknowledged that he lied during that meeting about the timing of certain contacts.

According to federal court filings, Papadopoulos initially claimed his contacts with a professor who had deep ties in Russia “occurred before” he became an adviser to the campaign.

“In truth and in fact,” the filings read, “the professor only took interest in defendant Papadopoulos because of his status with the Campaign.”

There are also lingering questions about the role Papadopoulos played in the campaign.

After the plea agreement was made public last month, Trump sought to distance himself from Papadopoulos, tweeting that “few people knew the young, low level volunteer named George, who has already proven to be a liar.”

But the “low level volunteer” made several trips overseas throughout 2016, purportedly on behalf of the campaign, making appearances where he was introduced as a Trump adviser.

In April, he traveled to Israel to speak at the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies, an appearance arranged by the former Israeli ambassador to Greece. In May, he met in Athens with the president of Greece. In September, he met with officials at the British Foreign Office in London.

(11-11-2017, 07:45 AM)scholar Wrote: You know the US has become insane today when:

The answer to endless wars is more wars.

The answer to the police state is more tyranny.

The answer to a dead economy is starting a trade war.

The answer to regulations is more laws.

The answer to endless debt is more debt.

(11-12-2017, 12:32 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(11-11-2017, 07:45 AM)scholar Wrote: You know the US has become insane today when:

The answer to endless wars is more wars.

The answer to the police state is more tyranny.

The answer to a dead economy is starting a trade war.

The answer to regulations is more laws.

The answer to endless debt is more debt.

...and the answer to a lack of credibility is even more lies.

(11-11-2017, 07:45 AM)scholar Wrote: You know the US has become insane today when:

The answer to endless wars is more wars.

The answer to the police state is more tyranny.

The answer to a dead economy is starting a trade war.

The answer to regulations is more laws.

The answer to endless debt is more debt.

(12-01-2017, 10:38 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Mike Flynn is expected to plead guilty to lying to the FBI, a technicality in contrast to what he might have been charged with.