(10-11-2016, 01:33 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: And I have to reprise my opinion on world views and values.  They are anchored deep.  They are virtually unchangeable and unquestionable.  If one believes that the Bible is Truth, it follows that the theory of evolution is bogus, that science has to be mistaken.  No amount of evidence or logic can trump a deeply imbedded world view.  If one grows up in a racist sexist culture, it's cool to grab a lady's crotch, it's cool to insult and denigrate any minority, it's cool to expect the best jobs and the highest salary.  It might not just be cool, it might be perceived as a Right, to be expected.  It is firm.  It is there.  It is unquestionable.  It is Truth.  (Not.)

(10-11-2016, 11:24 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

...Any questions?

(10-12-2016, 05:29 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(10-12-2016, 04:28 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Trump spokesperson Kelly-Ann Conway just now said, "You're either for us or against us. We've had enough pussyfooting around."

And camels have toes (sorry, couldn't resist going straight into the gutter ... now I'll pull myself back up ... )>

Quote:If you can keep your head when all about you   
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,   
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, 
    But make allowance for their doubting too;   
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, 
    Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies, 
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating, 
    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise: 

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;   
    If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;   
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster 
    And treat those two impostors just the same;   
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken 
    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, 
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, 
    And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools: 

If you can make one heap of all your winnings 
    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, 
And lose, and start again at your beginnings 
    And never breathe a word about your loss; 
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew 
    To serve your turn long after they are gone,   
And so hold on when there is nothing in you 
    Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’ 

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,   
    Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch, 
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, 
    If all men count with you, but none too much; 
If you can fill the unforgiving minute 
    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,   
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,   
    And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!

(10-13-2016, 08:42 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: How about this:

In the year in which American politics went to its philosophical, moral, and verbal low, an American wins the Nobel Prize for literature.


BOB DYLAN

(10-13-2016, 01:36 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: From New York Times via Politico:

.....a then-22-year-old receptionist recalled introducing herself to Trump outside a Trump Tower elevator in 2005. She said Trump shook her hand but then refused to let go as he proceeded to kiss her on the cheeks and then on the mouth. The allegation is similar to what Trump said on a now infamous tape recorded that same year, when he told Billy Bush of "Access Hollywood" that, “You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait.”  (Snip...)

(10-13-2016, 03:02 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Not everything Trump is featured as saying about women is bad. He's quoted as saying that if Ivanka weren't my daughter perhaps I'd be dating her. She's of age; that a compliment to her daughter.

It's just part of the total picture though.

(10-13-2016, 03:44 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: Difference between Trump and me ...

I did some locker room talk .... 35 - 40 years ago. I reached a point in life where at most, among male-only company, we still might talk a bit dirty but using euphemisms and definitely not describing ogre-like behavior. Most men leave that behind as part of the maturation process.

Trump is stuck in adolescence. I can understand why one might think he did a deal with The Devil - most people would have suffered many consequences for behaving like this as not only a grown man, but a friggin' 70 year old man!

(10-13-2016, 03:23 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(10-13-2016, 03:02 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Not everything Trump is featured as saying about women is bad. He's quoted as saying that if Ivanka weren't my daughter perhaps I'd be dating her. She's of age; that a compliment to her daughter.

It's just part of the total picture though.

I'm still not sure you understand how strongly many women (feel) about involuntary touching, let alone guys walking into their dressing rooms.  Have you heard Michelle Obama's "shaken me to my core" speech?  While not every word coming out of Trump's mouth is horrible, there are a lot of folk, not just women but also men who care about women, who are going to react very strongly to Trump's attitude.