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RE: If The Russians Engineered a Trump Victory - Eric the Green - 12-29-2016
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RE: If The Russians Engineered a Trump Victory - pbrower2a - 12-30-2016
Do it over -- because we did not have a real election.
Non-Americans are not allowed to vote in elections or even make campaign contributions. Interfering in the process? Egad!
Presidency and Senate. The House will all be up in November 2018 anyway.
RE: If The Russians Engineered a Trump Victory - Bronsin - 12-30-2016
The Democrats have no earthly idea of why they lost the election, and I am totally content to watch them twist and spin in agony over all the wrong reasons. Let's hope for all of our sakes that the lame duck doesn't start WWIII before the 20th, or declare Martial Law and start the next civil war.
RE: If The Russians Engineered a Trump Victory - pbrower2a - 12-30-2016
(12-30-2016, 11:52 AM)Bronsin Wrote: The Democrats have no earthly idea of why they lost the election, and I am totally content to watch them twist and spin in agony over all the wrong reasons. Let's hope for all of our sakes that the lame duck doesn't start WWIII before the 20th, or declare Martial Law and start the next civil war.
Maybe if the Russian FSB (the successor of the KGB) and the GRU decided the Presidential and Senate elections, and Democrats were not privy to this information until now, we have a more sinister reason than 'failure to deliver a message' or 'being out of touch with voters'.
The Trump Administration has enough problems due to the personal flaws of the President-Elect and the shaky faith that Americans have in the mandate that he claims. The Trump campaign has soured an inordinate segment of the American public. His moral authority is that he officially won an election and that we are not to criticize the President once he is in office.
Except that the Right organized against President Obama from the first opportunity.
We are going to have the most unpopular President ever at the start of his Administration. Remember: he got little more of a share of the popular vote than Mike Dukakis in 1988 and John McCain in 2008, both considered decisive losers in their elections. I see him unlikely to build bridges to constituencies that he insulted.
If you think the allegation that Barack Obama was born overseas troublesome (because it fit so many mass sentiments), then think of how bad it is that an American President is in office because of machinations in Moscow. We just got the most tainted electoral results in American history, and most likely the worst President since the Civil War.
RE: If The Russians Engineered a Trump Victory - pbrower2a - 12-30-2016
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Reference Number: JAR-16-20296
December 29, 2016
GRIZZLY STEPPE – Russian Malicious Cyber Activity
Summary
This Joint Analysis Report (JAR) is the result of analytic efforts between the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). This document provides technical details regarding the tools and infrastructure used by the Russian civilian and military intelligence Services (RIS) to compromise and exploit networks and endpoints associated with the U.S. election, as well as a range of U.S. Government, political, and private sector entities. The U.S. Government is referring to this malicious cyber activity by RIS as GRIZZLY STEPPE.
Previous JARs have not attributed malicious cyber activity to specific countries or threat actors. However, public attribution of these activities to RIS is supported by technical indicators from the U.S. Intelligence Community, DHS, FBI, the private sector, and other entities. This determination expands upon the Joint Statement released October 7, 2016, from the Department of Homeland Security and the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security.
This activity by RIS is part of an ongoing campaign of cyber-enabled operations directed at U.S. government and its citizens. These cyber operations have included spearphishing campaigns targeting government organizations, critical infrastructure entities, think tanks, universities, political organizations, and corporations leading to the theft of information. In foreign countries, RIS actors conducted damaging and/or disruptive cyber-attacks, including attacks on critical infrastructure networks. In some cases, RIS actors masqueraded as third parties, hiding behind false online personas designed to cause the victim to misattribute the source of the attack. This JAR provides technical indicators related to many of these operations, recommended mitigations, suggested actions to take in response to the indicators provided, and information on how to report such incidents to the U.S. Government.
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Read it and weep.
My comment:It is bad enough that foreign interests may have decided the electoral results for us. Just think of how bad things can be if the 2020 Presidential election turns into a contest between Chinese and Russian actors trying to manipulate the Presidential and Congressional elections with more concern for getting or keeping amenable stooges in power. In such a scenario the United States of America is not really independent.
I will be opening a new thread on this topic. Please comment there. This is not about Americans or about public policy as established by the President and Congress.
RE: If The Russians Engineered a Trump Victory - Bronsin - 12-30-2016
(12-30-2016, 12:39 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:(12-30-2016, 11:52 AM)Bronsin Wrote: The Democrats have no earthly idea of why they lost the election, and I am totally content to watch them twist and spin in agony over all the wrong reasons. Let's hope for all of our sakes that the lame duck doesn't start WWIII before the 20th, or declare Martial Law and start the next civil war.
Maybe if the Russian FSB (the successor of the KGB) and the GRU decided the Presidential and Senate elections, and Democrats were not privy to this information until now, we have a more sinister reason than 'failure to deliver a message' or 'being out of touch with voters'.
The Trump Administration has enough problems due to the personal flaws of the President-Elect and the shaky faith that Americans have in the mandate that he claims. The Trump campaign has soured an inordinate segment of the American public. His moral authority is that he officially won an election and that we are not to criticize the President once he is in office.
Except that the Right organized against President Obama from the first opportunity.
We are going to have the most unpopular President ever at the start of his Administration. Remember: he got little more of a share of the popular vote than Mike Dukakis in 1988 and John McCain in 2008, both considered decisive losers in their elections. I see him unlikely to build bridges to constituencies that he insulted.
If you think the allegation that Barack Obama was born overseas troublesome (because it fit so many mass sentiments), then think of how bad it is that an American President is in office because of machinations in Moscow. We just got the most tainted electoral results in American history, and most likely the worst President since the Civil War.
We are getting rid of the worst President in history right now. Bill Clinton won with only 43% of the vote because Ross Perot split the Republican vote being an independent, and started that whole ball rolling back in '92. Go ask the Isreali's what they think of Obama, or anyone else in the Middle East for that matter.
All of this projecting of what's going to happen under a Trump presidency, and no one has any real idea of what will actually happen, but we do have the ability to see what was promised from Obama, and what has transpired. Total garbage. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
The point wasn't to put Trump in, it was to keep Hillary OUT.
RE: If The Russians Engineered a Trump Victory - Odin - 12-30-2016
(12-30-2016, 01:06 PM)Bronsin Wrote: We are getting rid of the worst President in history right now.
We've always been at war with Eastasia, too, I hear!
Jeez, how brainwashed do you have to be by fake news and right-wing propaganda to think Obama is the worst US president ever...
RE: If The Russians Engineered a Trump Victory - Bronsin - 12-30-2016
(12-30-2016, 01:55 PM)Odin Wrote:(12-30-2016, 01:06 PM)Bronsin Wrote: We are getting rid of the worst President in history right now.
We've always been at war with Eastasia, too, I hear!
Jeez, how brainwashed do you have to be by fake news and right-wing propaganda to think Obama is the worst US president ever...
How brainwashed do you have to be to think he's some kind of guiding light tuned into the upper frequency of the right word that no one else has access to? The only reason we aren't in WWIII right now is because the other world leaders have just been biding their time knowing that he will be out at the end of 8 years no matter who gets elected.
RE: If The Russians Engineered a Trump Victory - Odin - 12-30-2016
(12-30-2016, 01:59 PM)Bronsin Wrote: The only reason we aren't in WWIII right now is because the other world leaders have just been biding their time knowing that he will be out at the end of 8 years no matter who gets elected.
Yep, you are out of touch with reality.
RE: If The Russians Engineered a Trump Victory - Bronsin - 12-30-2016
(12-30-2016, 02:15 PM)Odin Wrote:(12-30-2016, 01:59 PM)Bronsin Wrote: The only reason we aren't in WWIII right now is because the other world leaders have just been biding their time knowing that he will be out at the end of 8 years no matter who gets elected.
Yep, you are out of touch with reality.
And the Russians orchestrated this little coup all by themselves. Stay tuned to MSLSD for further news.............
RE: If The Russians Engineered a Trump Victory - Eric the Green - 12-30-2016
(12-30-2016, 01:59 PM)Bronsin Wrote:(12-30-2016, 01:55 PM)Odin Wrote:(12-30-2016, 01:06 PM)Bronsin Wrote: We are getting rid of the worst President in history right now.
We've always been at war with Eastasia, too, I hear!
Jeez, how brainwashed do you have to be by fake news and right-wing propaganda to think Obama is the worst US president ever...
How brainwashed do you have to be to think he's some kind of guiding light tuned into the upper frequency of the right word that no one else has access to? The only reason we aren't in WWIII right now is because the other world leaders have just been biding their time knowing that he will be out at the end of 8 years no matter who gets elected.
We all have access to the "right word," which means the truth. Obama speaks it often. It's up to the people to understand the truth. Unfortunately, enough voters in the Rust Belt were deceived on Nov.8, to give us the Liar in Chief as our "president" for the next four years.
Obama is only the "worst president" because he dared to challenge the prevailing neo-liberal libertarian, trickle-down economics dogma, at least to a degree. Or because he was of a certain racial background.
RE: If The Russians Engineered a Trump Victory - Eric the Green - 12-30-2016
(12-30-2016, 01:06 PM)Bronsin Wrote:(12-30-2016, 12:39 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:(12-30-2016, 11:52 AM)Bronsin Wrote: The Democrats have no earthly idea of why they lost the election, and I am totally content to watch them twist and spin in agony over all the wrong reasons. Let's hope for all of our sakes that the lame duck doesn't start WWIII before the 20th, or declare Martial Law and start the next civil war.
Maybe if the Russian FSB (the successor of the KGB) and the GRU decided the Presidential and Senate elections, and Democrats were not privy to this information until now, we have a more sinister reason than 'failure to deliver a message' or 'being out of touch with voters'.
The Trump Administration has enough problems due to the personal flaws of the President-Elect and the shaky faith that Americans have in the mandate that he claims. The Trump campaign has soured an inordinate segment of the American public. His moral authority is that he officially won an election and that we are not to criticize the President once he is in office.
Except that the Right organized against President Obama from the first opportunity.
We are going to have the most unpopular President ever at the start of his Administration. Remember: he got little more of a share of the popular vote than Mike Dukakis in 1988 and John McCain in 2008, both considered decisive losers in their elections. I see him unlikely to build bridges to constituencies that he insulted.
If you think the allegation that Barack Obama was born overseas troublesome (because it fit so many mass sentiments), then think of how bad it is that an American President is in office because of machinations in Moscow. We just got the most tainted electoral results in American history, and most likely the worst President since the Civil War.
We are getting rid of the worst President in history right now. Bill Clinton won with only 43% of the vote because Ross Perot split the Republican vote being an independent, and started that whole ball rolling back in '92. Go ask the Isreali's what they think of Obama, or anyone else in the Middle East for that matter.
All of this projecting of what's going to happen under a Trump presidency, and no one has any real idea of what will actually happen, but we do have the ability to see what was promised from Obama, and what has transpired. Total garbage. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
The point wasn't to put Trump in, it was to keep Hillary OUT.
And American foreign policy should be held hostage to Israel? I disagree.
RE: If The Russians Engineered a Trump Victory - pbrower2a - 12-30-2016
(12-30-2016, 01:06 PM)Bronsin Wrote: We are getting rid of the worst President in history right now. Bill Clinton won with only 43% of the vote because Ross Perot split the Republican vote being an independent, and started that whole ball rolling back in '92. Go ask the Isreali's what they think of Obama, or anyone else in the Middle East for that matter.
All of this projecting of what's going to happen under a Trump presidency, and no one has any real idea of what will actually happen, but we do have the ability to see what was promised from Obama, and what has transpired. Total garbage. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
We have already seen the appointments of the President-Elect. We have all seen his character. We know what we are getting now --- a government that will represent wealth and corporate power at the expense of everything else.
Are we such a debased People that we deserve a new serfdom or a new peonage just to keep us in line with a Master Class that has appointed itself supreme arbiters of all political and economic reality?
...Worst President Ever? I'd say that ignoring intelligence reports that could have been used to thwart the 9/11 attack, sponsoring an economic bubble that led to the worst economic meltdown since 1929, bungling the federal response to a natural disaster, and lying to start a war for profit are all far worse than anything that Barack Obama did.
http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/historians-found-george-bush-to-be-worst-president-and-heres-why-infographic/
Obama comes nowhere close to this:
The comments that many of the respondents included with their evaluations provide a clear sense of the reasons behind the overwhelming consensus that George W. Bush’s presidency is among the worst in American history.
“No individual president can compare to the second Bush,” wrote one. “Glib, contemptuous, ignorant, incurious, a dupe of anyone who humors his deluded belief in his heroic self, he has bankrupted the country with his disastrous war and his tax breaks for the rich, trampled on the Bill of Rights, appointed foxes in every henhouse, compounded the terrorist threat, turned a blind eye to torture and corruption and a looming ecological disaster, and squandered the rest of the world’s goodwill. In short, no other president’s faults have had so deleterious an effect on not only the country but the world at large.”
“With his unprovoked and disastrous war of aggression in Iraq and his monstrous deficits, Bush has set this country on a course that will take decades to correct,” said another historian. “When future historians look back to identify the moment at which the United States began to lose its position of world leadership, they will point—rightly—to the Bush presidency. Thanks to his policies, it is now easy to see America losing out to its competitors in any number of area: China is rapidly becoming the manufacturing powerhouse of the next century, India the high tech and services leader, and Europe the region with the best quality of life.”
One historian indicated that his reason for rating Bush as worst is that the current president combines traits of some of his failed predecessors: “the paranoia of Nixon, the ethics of Harding and the good sense of Herbert Hoover. . . . . God willing, this will go down as the nadir of American politics.” Another classified Bush as “an ideologue who got the nation into a totally unnecessary war, and has broken the Constitution more often than even Nixon. He is not a conservative, nor a Christian, just an immoral man . . . .” Still another remarked that Bush’s “denial of any personal responsibility can only be described as silly.”
“It would be difficult to identify a President who, facing major international and domestic crises, has failed in both as clearly as President Bush,” concluded one respondent. “His domestic policies,” another noted, “have had the cumulative effect of shoring up a semi-permanent aristocracy of capital that dwarfs the aristocracy of land against which the founding fathers rebelled; of encouraging a mindless retreat from science and rationalism; and of crippling the nation’s economic base.”
“George Bush has combined mediocrity with malevolent policies and has thus seriously damaged the welfare and standing of the United States,” wrote one of the historians, echoing the assessments of many of his professional colleagues. “Bush does only two things well,” said one of the most distinguished historians. “He knows how to make the very rich very much richer, and he has an amazing talent for f**king up everything else he even approaches. His administration has been the most reckless, dangerous, irresponsible, mendacious, arrogant, self-righteous, incompetent, and deeply corrupt one in all of American history.”
Four years ago I rated George W. Bush’s presidency as the second worst, a bit above that of James Buchanan. Now, however, like so many other professional historians, I see the administration of the second Bush as clearly the worst in our history. My reasons are similar to those cited by other historians: In the wake of the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, the United States enjoyed enormous support around the world. President Bush squandered that goodwill by taking the country into an unnecessary war of choice and misleading the American people to gain support for that war. And he failed utterly to have a plan to deal with Iraq after the invasion. He further undermined the international reputation of the United States by justifying torture.
Mr. Bush inherited a sizable budget surplus and a thriving economy. By pushing through huge tax cuts for the rich while increasing federal spending at a rapid rate, Bush transformed the surplus into a massive deficit. The tax cuts and other policies accelerated the concentration of wealth and income among the very richest Americans. These policies combined with unwavering opposition to necessary government regulations have produced the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. Then there is the incredible shrinking dollar, the appointment of incompetent cronies, the totally inexcusable failure to react properly to the disaster of Hurricane Katrina, the blatant disregard for the Constitution—and on and on.
Like a majority of other historians who participated in this poll, my conclusion is that the preponderance of the evidence now indicates that, while this nation has had at least its share of failed presidencies, no previous presidency was as large a failure in so many areas as the current one.
- See more at: http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/48916#sthash.1Xnu0YGy.dpuf
The closest analogue to Barack Obama as President is Dwight Eisenhower, with whom I see clear similarities of temperament despite very different curricula vitae. The generational theory of Howe and Strauss seem to suggest that a mature Reactive (Washington, John Adams, the post-Civil War Gilded Presidents at their best, Truman, and Eisenhower) are practically never the greatest Presidents, but they can calm the public mood. Ike was a senior military officer with no law degree, and Barack Obama is a lawyer with no military experience, but both showed effectiveness in what they were not expert because they respected and heeded precedent.
Obama wanted to be the new FDR... and he instead became the new Dwight Eisenhower. The only problem: Ike had a good successor. Donald Trump isn't John Fitzgerald Kennedy. He isn't even Richard M. Nixon.
Mark my words: President Donald Trump will be singularly awful, a real-life Berzelius Windrip (the bad American President in Sinclair Lewis' It Can't Happen Here. He is a demagogue and a sociopath. His attitude toward people who 'failed' to vote for him is "You losers! I will make you pay for your folly!"
He is a hollow, cruel, vindictive person unable to recognize the legitimate disagreement of others. He is more attentive to his self-esteem than to anyone not in his inner circle. He shows through his speech that he has no connection to levels of thought beyond elementary education. He has made outrageous statements about ethnic and religious minorities.
Do you think he's going to grow into the job? I don't. The only common change that I have seen in people past 60 in their behavior (unless they take up a new hobby) is a downward slide into dementia.
Of course I dread his reactionary agenda. But I see far worse in his character -- the dictatorial style, the reckless contempt for truth, the meanness, the pettiness, the need for sycophants -- and this would still all be dangerous if he were a liberal. I see much in common between him and... Fidel Castro. But Castro is a Commie, and Trump is an ultra-capitalist in his beliefs? Castro believes that a capitalist social order is exactly what Donald Trump wants it to be -- an exploitative, dehumanizing, inequitable, and corrupt social order. The difference between the two in philosophy is that Castro excoriates what Trump considers the social optimum.
RE: If The Russians Engineered a Trump Victory - pbrower2a - 12-30-2016
Hostage to Israel? Israel has its own Left-Right divide in culture and politics.
RE: If The Russians Engineered a Trump Victory - pbrower2a - 12-30-2016
(12-30-2016, 01:59 PM)Bronsin Wrote:(12-30-2016, 01:55 PM)Odin Wrote:(12-30-2016, 01:06 PM)Bronsin Wrote: We are getting rid of the worst President in history right now.
We've always been at war with Eastasia, too, I hear!
Jeez, how brainwashed do you have to be by fake news and right-wing propaganda to think Obama is the worst US president ever...
How brainwashed do you have to be to think he's some kind of guiding light tuned into the upper frequency of the right word that no one else has access to? The only reason we aren't in WWIII right now is because the other world leaders have just been biding their time knowing that he will be out at the end of 8 years no matter who gets elected.
If you look at what are generally considered the three greatest Presidents (Washington, Lincoln, FDR), you will find that all three took over an America heavily rifted and in grave danger and left America much safer and more united. Barack Obama is clearly not in that category. Neither did he keep America out of a war that would have been crippling but seemed inevitable (America avoided getting enmeshed in the Napoleonic wars) as did Jefferson. Neither did he succeed in forcing unforeseen reforms sure to stick, as did Theodore Roosevelt. Unlike Truman he did not get to resolve some of the loose ends of a Crisis Era that a great President could not avoid leaving. Obama follows one of the worst Presidents that America, undid some of the damage, and snuffed out some real dangers to America. But he could not force lasting reforms upon America, and Donald Trump follows him. I have no idea what complicity he has in the rise of Donald Trump, but America was in far less danger in 2016 than in 2008.
RE: If The Russians Engineered a Trump Victory - Eric the Green - 12-31-2016
(12-30-2016, 03:22 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Hostage to Israel? Israel has its own Left-Right divide in culture and politics.
The Left wing is practically nowhere to be seen there. Netanyahu has curtailed democracy there. He is unrestrained in his plans to take over the West Bank and settle it with religious, right-wing Jews. We the USA cannot seem to let loose of our obsession to support Israel. Obama can't even abstain on a motion without it being seen as anti-Israel. I would rather that Israel survive and prosper in peace, but I would also rather not be supporting a state which oppresses its neighbor and arouses hatred of America as the supporter of Israel.
I could see today's Israel as a few steps ahead of where Trump wants to take the USA. That's why Trump is Netanyahu's guy, as fully as he is Putin's. All 3 are tyrants. I don't agree with supporting tyrants.
RE: If The Russians Engineered a Trump Victory - pbrower2a - 12-31-2016
(12-31-2016, 02:14 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:(12-30-2016, 03:22 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Hostage to Israel? Israel has its own Left-Right divide in culture and politics.
The Left wing is practically nowhere to be seen there. Netanyahu has curtailed democracy there. He is unrestrained in his plans to take over the West Bank and settle it with religious, right-wing Jews. We the USA cannot seem to let loose of our obsession to support Israel. Obama can't even abstain on a motion without it being seen as anti-Israel. I would rather that Israel survive and prosper in peace, but I would also rather not be supporting a state which oppresses its neighbor and arouses hatred of America as the supporter of Israel.
I could see today's Israel as a few steps ahead of where Trump wants to take the USA. That's why Trump is Netanyahu's guy, as fully as he is Putin's. All 3 are tyrants. I don't agree with supporting tyrants.
Authoritarians like Putin, Trump, and Netanyahu are able to exploit 52-48 splits in the populace when things are somewhat stable. Then comes the rot. Close off government service to the 48, and you can starve the opposition and compel it to acquiesce in its own oppression and subjection. It's been done. That's how Jim Crow worked in the South.
RE: If The Russians Engineered a Trump Victory - Eric the Green - 01-05-2017
(12-30-2016, 11:52 AM)Bronsin Wrote: The Democrats have no earthly idea of why they lost the election, and I am totally content to watch them twist and spin in agony over all the wrong reasons. Let's hope for all of our sakes that the lame duck doesn't start WWIII before the 20th, or declare Martial Law and start the next civil war.
Folks like you are beholden to the neo-liberal, free-market ideology. You think self-reliance is the only virtue, and that social and economic powers in society are just expressions of freedom. You guys have deceived and hooked America on its delusive pride of self-reliance and non-dependency. You think Democrats should continue to kow-tow to this ideology of free enterprise instead of fighting back, and that because they fought back somewhat is why they lost; that America must be forevermore Reaganland. You and most Americans who voted for Trump are completely bamboozeled by the "less government" memes.
I hope Democrats DO feel the agony and start twisting and turning into action and fight back. Such would be the ONLY regeneracy that this 4T could ever experience, so that we could defeat the DECEIVERS and greedy profiteers such as yourself who have reduced all value in our society to money, possessed by the rich who own us.
RE: If The Russians Engineered a Trump Victory - Eric the Green - 02-06-2017
Everything You Need to Know About Steve Bannon, Breitbart, & Russia
By Quaid
Friday Nov 18, 2016 · 11:07 AM PST
Steve Bannon, Breitbart, & The Alt-Right Is Working With Russia and Here is Proof
The modern Alt-Right sees themselves as a modern “Pat Buchanan,” John Birch, and William F. Buckley far right intellectuals that want to bring down Western, multicultural liberal culture as we know it to install a “Traditionalist” worldview. In their own words, they see the future this way:
As the decisive struggle in the second half of the 20th century was vertical, East vs. West, the 21st century struggle may be horizontal, with conservatives and traditionalists in every country arrayed against the militant secularism of a multicultural and transnational elite.
http://buchanan.org/blog/putin-one-us-6071
In other words, they think the future is not a battle between East and West (US vs. Russia), but Traditionalist verses Secularists and multiculturalists. The modern Alt-right has embraced Putin as an ally in their battle to install a “Traditionalist” worldview. The “Traditionalist” Alt-right believe that Republicans and Conservatives have abandoned them and embraced multiculturalism and allowed things like the acceptance of gays, gay marriage, and multiculturalism.
Because of this, they have abandoned hope in American Conservatism and crossed country lines. They have written articles about Putin being one of them. Here is an article by Pat Buchanan claiming that Putin is their ally: http://buchanan.org/blog/putin-one-us-6071 Also, here is an article by Breitbart describing that the modern alt-right sees themselves as modern “Pat Buchanan,” Traditionalist intellectuals seeking to defeat the Western multiculturalism and liberalism. http://www.breitbart.com…
Because mainstream Republicans and conservatives have abandoned the cause and accepted things like gay marriage and multiculturalism, the Alt-Right Traditionalists needed to find a new ally and they found a powerful ally in Putin. The Alt-Right thinks that Putin will be their new Traditionalist hero as they have been marginalized by the Republicans and Conservatives of the West.....
The Alt-Right believes that Putin has done a good job imposing “Traditionalism” in Russia. They applaud him for his stance on gays and liberal Western multiculturalism. Putin’s Chief Strategist, Alexander Dugin, has become the intellectual hero of Alt-Right “Traditionalists” around the world.
In a recent state of the nation address, Putin rejected ‘the mandatory acknowledgement of the equality of good and evil’—i.e., the increased acceptance of such amoral things as gay rights and access to abortion in the United States, among other countries. Buchanan applauded him. He also applauded India, whose Supreme Court recently upheld a Victorian British law criminalizing homosexuality.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/19/why-pat-buchanan-loves-vladimir-putin.html
In the constantly liberalizing lineup of world leaders, Buchanan [and Traditionalists] seem(s) to have found a particularly soft spot for the Russian president. In September, Buchanan came to Putin’s defense against critics of Russia’s ban on “homosexual propaganda,” from President Obama to Jay Leno to The New York Times. In October he heralded Putin’s Times Op-Ed on why the U.S. shouldn’t strike Syria, calling it ‘outstanding’ and much more compelling than Obama’s argument.
What Does Trump Have to Do With This?
Trump’s Campaign Manager and newly named Chief Whitehouse Strategist, Steve Bannon, is an Alt-Right Traditionalist, Nationalist and has been using his Alt-Right platform, Brietbart News, to reshape the West into a Traditionalist worldview. In the summer of 2014, Bannon laid out his global nationalist worldview to conservatives.
In his speech, he talked about the dangerous of the secular West and wanting to reinstall a Judeo-Christian, Traditionalist foundation in the West. He wants to get rid of liberal ideology. He, himself, is not against Jews although he knows a lot of the parties he supports are. He stated in his speech that he thinks that they will eventually shed themselves of their anti-Jewish stances. He thinks we are on the verge of a “bloody war” and wants us to be “church militants.”
Here are some excerpts of the speech by Steve Bannon:
And I believe we’ve come partly offtrack in the years since the fall of the Soviet Union and we’re starting now in the 21st century, which I believe, strongly, is a crisis both of our church, a crisis of our faith, a crisis of the West, a crisis of capitalism.
And we’re at the very beginning stages of a very brutal and bloody conflict, of which if the people in this room, the people in the church, do not bind together and really form what I feel is an aspect of the church militant, to really be able to not just stand with our beliefs, but to fight for our beliefs against this new barbarity that’s starting, that will completely eradicate everything that we’ve been bequeathed over the last 2,000, 2,500 years.
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The other tendency is an immense secularization of the West. And I know we’ve talked about secularization for a long time, but if you look at younger people, especially millennials under 30, the overwhelming drive of popular culture is to absolutely secularize this rising iteration.
Now that call converges with something we have to face, and it’s a very unpleasant topic, but we are in an outright war against jihadist Islamic fascism. And this war is, I think, metastasizing far quicker than governments can handle it.
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I think it really behooves all of us to really take a hard look and make sure that we are reinvesting that back into positive things. But also to make sure that we understand that we’re at the very beginning stages of a global conflict, and if we do not bind together as partners with others in other countries that this conflict is only going to metastasize.
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The tea party in the United States’ biggest fight is with the Republican establishment, which is really a collection of crony capitalists that feel that they have a different set of rules of how they’re going to comport themselves and how they’re going to run things. And, quite frankly, it’s the reason that the United States’ financial situation is so dire, particularly our balance sheet. We have virtually a hundred trillion dollars of unfunded liabilities. That is all because you’ve had this kind of crony capitalism in Washington, DC. The rise of Breitbart is directly tied to being the voice of that center-right opposition. And, quite frankly, we’re winning many, many victories.
On the social conservative side, we’re the voice of the anti-abortion movement, the voice of the traditional marriage movement, and I can tell you we’re winning victory after victory after victory. Things are turning around as people have a voice and have a platform of which they can use.
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And you’re seeing that whether that was UKIP and Nigel Farage in the United Kingdom, whether it’s these groups in the Low Countries in Europe, whether it’s in France, there’s a new tea party in Germany. The theme is all the same. And the theme is middle-class and working-class people — they’re saying, “Hey, I’m working harder than I’ve ever worked. I’m getting less benefits than I’m ever getting through this, I’m incurring less wealth myself, and I’m seeing a system of fat cats who say they’re conservative and say they back capitalist principles, but all they’re doing is binding with corporatists.” Right? Corporatists, to garner all the benefits for themselves.
And that center-right revolt is really a global revolt. I think you’re going to see it in Latin America, I think you’re going to see it in Asia, I think you’ve already seen it in India. * * *[S]o I think this is a global revolt, and we are very fortunate and proud to be the news site that is reporting that throughout the world.
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When Vladimir Putin, when you really look at some of the underpinnings of some of his beliefs today, a lot of those come from what I call Eurasianism; he’s got an adviser who harkens back to Julius Evola and different writers of the early 20th century who are really the supporters of what’s called the traditionalist movement, which really eventually metastasized into Italian fascism. A lot of people that are traditionalists are attracted to that.
One of the reasons is that they believe that at least Putin is standing up for traditional institutions, and he’s trying to do it in a form of nationalism — and I think that people, particularly in certain countries, want to see the sovereignty for their country, they want to see nationalism for their country. They don’t believe in this kind of pan-European Union or they don’t believe in the centralized government in the United States. They’d rather see more of a states-based entity that the founders originally set up where freedoms were controlled at the local level.
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[W]e the Judeo-Christian West really have to look at what he’s [Putin] talking about as far as traditionalism goes — particularly the sense of where it supports the underpinnings of nationalism — and I happen to think that the individual sovereignty of a country is a good thing and a strong thing. I think strong countries and strong nationalist movements in countries make strong neighbors, and that is really the building blocks that built Western Europe and the United States, and I think it’s what can see us forward.
You know, Putin’s been quite an interesting character. He’s also very, very, very intelligent. I can see this in the United States where he’s playing very strongly to social conservatives about his message about more traditional values . . .
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