(04-09-2020, 05:38 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(04-09-2020, 04:48 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(04-09-2020, 01:25 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(04-09-2020, 12:13 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: The CDC has released new guidelines for keeping critical workers working through the crisis.  They seem similar to what would be needed to restart the economy after the worst of the peeks has passed.  I am curious if anyone thinks they are overkill?

Nope,  the CDC hasn't mandated anything. It's wrong in determining who has the virus.  So where's mention of testing?  I think the mandate should be workers are allowed to be at work, if they test negative for Corona Virus. I'd also add an strict enforcement regime with stiff fines and jail time for  business owners who violate this mandate.  Like a scaled fine schedule.  The fine must hurt whoever violates it in the best place, the bottom line.

Correct.  These are someone from the deep state making their own wishes wistfully public, where it should be someone from the administration, likely the president himself, making it official and punishable.  Testing is one of the things that should be required, among other things.

We don't have testing kits for us yet. The testing kits are all on the front line right now. We have friends who are nurses who work for healthcare clinics. They aren't accepting covid19 patients yet. So, we are pretty on our own at this point.

(04-09-2020, 06:49 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Yep.  I am fully aware that Trump blew it.  Did you bother to watch Maddow's report on the virus?  But I am talking about what we will have to in some hypothetical future when we are releasing the protective isolation.  Judging by how the hedonistic people are ignoring the isolation, that ethics shift to what is best for the whole rather than best for the individual is being slow to take hold.  This is in part because of a lack of leadership.  It will unfortunately take a while.  Hopefully the states will have tests available from their own sources by then, in spite of Trump's obstruction.

(04-10-2020, 09:26 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: CNN reports Lack of coronavirus testing may blunt Trump's planned economic revival

This agrees with my own belief that we will have to have good fast testing to restart the economy, and that those who want to save lives and those who want to restart the economy should be working together towards heavy isolation.

(04-12-2020, 09:44 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(04-10-2020, 09:26 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: CNN reports Lack of coronavirus testing may blunt Trump's planned economic revival

This agrees with my own belief that we will have to have good fast testing to restart the economy, and that those who want to save lives and those who want to restart the economy should be working together towards heavy isolation.

It's shameful to say, but many business types, especially those in the financial sector, are so detached from day-to-day life that they don't equate deaths with actual living people.  It's just data, you know.  Fortunately, actual living people don't have that problem, though economic pressure may overcome their fear of getting the illness.  Does that create a huge backlash?  It's hard to say among the Trump loyalists, but others may not have that limitation.

Quote:Let's see how the good people of Wisconsin react to the results of their clearly flawed election.  If the vote strongly favors the GOP, as expected, then the degree to which the people are angry, rather than resigned, will tell us a lot.  If it goes against the GOP, then assume this will be last attempt of its type.

(04-10-2020, 05:06 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: I foresaw that March 20-24 would be a major turning point in history. You can see that these dates correspond to the moment when the trend of the virus in the USA started to go straight up, and it hasn't waned virtually at all. I mentioned in my Feb.17 lecture in Oregon that the charts for March indicated health concerns. Four planets aligned in Capricorn, a sign of the state and executives, at that time, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto, and Saturn was moving into Aquarius, sign of legislatures in action. I was surprised though that this virus crisis would persist and still be rising off the charts in April. I thought it would be succeeded by other crises as the 2020s continue.

It seems now that it really is a trigger. Time will tell, but this pandemic has shown beyond all doubt the failure and utter incompetence of the USA as it's now constituted. I have predicted for many decades that the 2020s would see possible revolution and/or civil war in the USA in the 2020s, climaxing in 2025-28.

(04-13-2020, 10:03 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: So who said that a Crisis had to be a war?

(04-13-2020, 10:37 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(04-13-2020, 10:03 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: So who said that a Crisis had to be a war?

John Xenakis is the primary exponent of the crisis war, and a firm believer in the necessity of them.  In fact, he hangs generational dynamics on that premise.

(04-13-2020, 04:54 AM)Arkarch Wrote:

(04-10-2020, 05:06 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: I foresaw that March 20-24 would be a major turning point in history. You can see that these dates correspond to the moment when the trend of the virus in the USA started to go straight up, and it hasn't waned virtually at all. I mentioned in my Feb.17 lecture in Oregon that the charts for March indicated health concerns. Four planets aligned in Capricorn, a sign of the state and executives, at that time, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto, and Saturn was moving into Aquarius, sign of legislatures in action. I was surprised though that this virus crisis would persist and still be rising off the charts in April. I thought it would be succeeded by other crises as the 2020s continue.

It seems now that it really is a trigger. Time will tell, but this pandemic has shown beyond all doubt the failure and utter incompetence of the USA as it's now constituted. I have predicted for many decades that the 2020s would see possible revolution and/or civil war in the USA in the 2020s, climaxing in 2025-28.

I do agree it is a civil war; but I do not think it will go hot. 

This is consistent with my belief in a super-cycle of Internal Cold (now); External Hot (WW2); Internal Hot (Civil); and External Cold (Am Rev as proxy).  As someone noted, this 4T may have much in common with the Glorious Revolution and follows the pattern noted.   It is possible the Union could fall apart or become protectorate based, with the West Coast, South, Texas, etc going their own way - but as declaratory actions.  Clearly we are not done with this 4T yet.

(04-13-2020, 11:27 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(04-13-2020, 10:37 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(04-13-2020, 10:03 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: So who said that a Crisis had to be a war?

John Xenakis is the primary exponent of the crisis war, and a firm believer in the necessity of them.  In fact, he hangs generational dynamics on that premise.

Where I would say nukes make the Crisis war obsolete.  While in the Industrial Age leaders and elites would start a war trivially, in this time the elites would lose influence and status, and make sure the leaders don’t threaten their position.  In the Information Age, the Crisis war is virtually obsolete.  That was why I was trying to rework the S&H theory to figure out how the cycles world work without a Trigger or a Regeneracy.  Would the Awakening become the turning with the radical change?  Can one change through democracy rather than conflict?  Should we look to the Conscious Revolution as the only Awakening that gives us an example of how it works in the Information Age?

But then along came the Coronavirus…  I would not guarantee that a Trigger will happen in every period that the Prophet - Nomad - Civic generational alignment occurs.  This time, if you consider September 11th, we had two such Triggers.  The first failed to change the culture.  The second?  It seems too early to tell for certain.  Will the old patriotic swing from selfishness to loyalty to the country still happen without a war to compel the change?  That does not guarantee we will get even one Trigger next time around.

(04-13-2020, 12:26 PM)beechnut79 Wrote:

(04-13-2020, 04:54 AM)Arkarch Wrote:

(04-10-2020, 05:06 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: I foresaw that March 20-24 would be a major turning point in history. You can see that these dates correspond to the moment when the trend of the virus in the USA started to go straight up, and it hasn't waned virtually at all. I mentioned in my Feb.17 lecture in Oregon that the charts for March indicated health concerns. Four planets aligned in Capricorn, a sign of the state and executives, at that time, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto, and Saturn was moving into Aquarius, sign of legislatures in action. I was surprised though that this virus crisis would persist and still be rising off the charts in April. I thought it would be succeeded by other crises as the 2020s continue.

It seems now that it really is a trigger. Time will tell, but this pandemic has shown beyond all doubt the failure and utter incompetence of the USA as it's now constituted. I have predicted for many decades that the 2020s would see possible revolution and/or civil war in the USA in the 2020s, climaxing in 2025-28.

I do agree it is a civil war; but I do not think it will go hot. 

This is consistent with my belief in a super-cycle of Internal Cold (now); External Hot (WW2); Internal Hot (Civil); and External Cold (Am Rev as proxy).  As someone noted, this 4T may have much in common with the Glorious Revolution and follows the pattern noted.   It is possible the Union could fall apart or become protectorate based, with the West Coast, South, Texas, etc going their own way - but as declaratory actions.  Clearly we are not done with this 4T yet.

Don’t know about the 48 contingent, but can foresee the possibility that Alaska might join Canada and Hawaii becoming its own nation. If the southern states tried to reform the Confederacy, might they at least be enlightened enough not to attempt to revive slavery?

(04-13-2020, 11:27 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(04-13-2020, 10:37 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(04-13-2020, 10:03 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: So who said that a Crisis had to be a war?

John Xenakis is the primary exponent of the crisis war, and a firm believer in the necessity of them.  In fact, he hangs generational dynamics on that premise.

Where I would say nukes make the Crisis war obsolete.  While in the Industrial Age leaders and elites would start a war trivially, in this time the elites would lose influence and status, and make sure the leaders don’t threaten their position.  In the Information Age, the Crisis war is virtually obsolete.  That was why I was trying to rework the S&H theory to figure out how the cycles world work without a Trigger or a Regeneracy.  Would the Awakening become the turning with the radical change?  Can one change through democracy rather than conflict?  Should we look to the Consciousness Revolution as the only Awakening that gives us an example of how it works in the Information Age?

Quote:But then along came the Coronavirus…  I would not guarantee that a Trigger will happen in every period that the Prophet - Nomad - Civic generational alignment occurs.  This time, if you consider September 11th, we had two such Triggers.  The first failed to change the culture.  The second?  It seems too early to tell for certain.  Will the old patriotic swing from selfishness to loyalty to the country still happen without a war to compel the change?  That does not guarantee we will get even one Trigger next time around.