(08-30-2021, 08:45 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-30-2021, 08:12 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: What we've got here is, failure to communicate. That's the essence of the covid crisis today. And those who are going to the hospital and dying of covid now, are "getting it."

Almost all of these new patients, over 100,000 new patients a day now in the USA, are unvaccinated. Chuck Todd on Meet the Press posted statistics that the 40 or so counties with the most covid infections voted for Trump by a 40% margin. The surge is concentrated in the southeast area of the country. Some Republicans seem to have decided that the best way to beat Biden and re-elect Trump is to stay unvaccinated and not wear masks. That way the covid crisis will grow, and Biden as the president gets the blame as his approval rating goes down. Biden is entirely blameless of course; this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated; the second-worst surge of the crisis.

Such Republicans seem to have decided that to go unvaccinated and unmasked and to protest mandates and masks is good political strategy. The pandemic gets worse then, and so Biden is blamed for what THEY themselves did. Many Americans can't discern the difference, because Americans of the USA are so willfully ignorant, as George Carlin called them. But this little bit of politicking may cost the deniers their lives. It is already costing the lives of many of their comrades. I guess they feel it's worth it. Nothing would be finer than to get their narcissist bully conman hero back in office. Maybe they just think if Trump is president, their taxes will go down again, and fewer immigrants will cross the border. Well, maybe there's no taxes in heaven, and God can paint the streets with gold anyway. It seems like the approach of the Muslim suicide bomber to me. Maybe they think they are martyrs for the cause.

Well, the Democrats spent a year telling minorities that evil whitey was trying  to kill them all and warning them against vaccination. It's mainly minorities who are getting sick now days. I think I've had three variations of COVID now. The first one sucked big time. The second one wasn't nearly as bad as the original. The third one was a piece of cake. I guess there's something to be said about getting sick and developing natural immunity. Here's your problem, the Democrats overly  politicized COVID, let a bunch of sick illegals enter the country  and now they're seeing the results of their own stupidity. Guess what, COVID is here to stay. Welcome to the 4T.

(08-30-2021, 08:52 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: NO, no such talk form Democrats occurred. Democrats told minorities to get the vaccine, along with everyone else. Many Republicans told people not to get them. It sounds like you refused. I guess you played your martyr role and survived. Congratulations. Now you will still have to pay higher taxes if Biden gets his way and you make more than $400,000 a year. Meanwhile Republicans continue to politicize covid in hopes the people will blame Biden for it.

Your only reply is to spread silly false slogans about Democrats letting sick illegals into the country. Covid came over here first from China and then from Europe. It most likely spread from the USA to Mexico, not vice versa. The USA is the sickest covid country in the world. We are the source for most of the covid in the world, and Republicans are the source of the continuing pandemic, because of people like you who refuse to get vaccinated.

YOU and people like you are the problem, not illegal immigrants.

(08-31-2021, 02:21 PM)David Horn Wrote: No, the message that the government can't be trusted with their health came to the Black community through direct experience.  How did the message that vaccines are bad come to the GOP faithful?  And why would you go through COVID at all, if the alternative was two jabs and a few weeks?  At the moment, GOPpers are the primary source of raging infection in places like Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Arizona, Missouri, and South Dakota.

Now to the mythical invasion of COVID from <insert the nation or region of choice>.  Yes, the virus did arrive from elsewhere: the UK (both Alpha and Delta).  The messengers were not illegals, but business travelers -- first time under Trump certainly and the second time under Trump most likely.  Perhaps we should seal the borders and let no one in?  Oh yeah, Trump was going to do that and didn't.  Who did do it: the Aussies and Kiwis.

(09-01-2021, 01:15 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-31-2021, 02:21 PM)David Horn Wrote: No, the message that the government can't be trusted with their health came to the Black community through direct experience.  How did the message that vaccines are bad come to the GOP faithful?  And why would you go through COVID at all, if the alternative was two jabs and a few weeks?  At the moment, GOPpers are the primary source of raging infection in places like Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Arizona, Missouri, and South Dakota.

Now to the mythical invasion of COVID from <insert the nation or region of choice>.  Yes, the virus did arrive from elsewhere: the UK (both Alpha and Delta).  The messengers were not illegals, but business travelers -- first time under Trump certainly and the second time under Trump most likely.  Perhaps we should seal the borders and let no one in?  Oh yeah, Trump was going to do that and didn't.  Who did do it: the Aussies and Kiwis.

How many vaccinated people were unknowingly infected by the Delta Variant and infected others? I know there was a bunch of vaccinated Democrats who fled Texas who were infected and infected others not to long ago. The vaccine isn't/wasn't a cure for COVID. You do understand that right, I'm not opposed to the vaccine or opposed to the idea of people getting vaccinated. However, I don't view it as necessary for everyone at this point.

(09-01-2021, 12:24 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-30-2021, 08:52 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: NO, no such talk form Democrats occurred. Democrats told minorities to get the vaccine, along with everyone else. Many Republicans told people not to get them. It sounds like you refused. I guess you played your martyr role and survived. Congratulations. Now you will still have to pay higher taxes if Biden gets his way and you make more than $400,000 a year. Meanwhile Republicans continue to politicize covid in hopes the people will blame Biden for it.

Your only reply is to spread silly false slogans about Democrats letting sick illegals into the country. Covid came over here first from China and then from Europe. It most likely spread from the USA to Mexico, not vice versa. The USA is the sickest covid country in the world. We are the source for most of the covid in the world, and Republicans are the source of the continuing pandemic, because of people like you who refuse to get vaccinated.

YOU and people like you are the problem, not illegal immigrants.

The Democrats and their self induced border crisis are most likely directly responsible for the spread of the Delta variant throughout the country. I don't think it's a coincidence the recent surge in illegal immigration along the southern border and the recent spread of the Delta variant occurred within the same time period. BTW, I've already been vaccinated the old fashioned way and my natural immunity has already proven to be equal or greater than your man made immunity at this point. You're about do for a booster right. You better get one, I don't want to end up on a cold slab before the gloves come off.

(09-01-2021, 01:15 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-31-2021, 02:21 PM)David Horn Wrote: No, the message that the government can't be trusted with their health came to the Black community through direct experience.  How did the message that vaccines are bad come to the GOP faithful?  And why would you go through COVID at all, if the alternative was two jabs and a few weeks?  At the moment, GOPpers are the primary source of raging infection in places like Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Arizona, Missouri, and South Dakota.

Now to the mythical invasion of COVID from <insert the nation or region of choice>.  Yes, the virus did arrive from elsewhere: the UK (both Alpha and Delta).  The messengers were not illegals, but business travelers -- first time under Trump certainly and the second time under Trump most likely.  Perhaps we should seal the borders and let no one in?  Oh yeah, Trump was going to do that and didn't.  Who did do it: the Aussies and Kiwis.

Alpha made its way from  the United Kingdom. Delta actually made its way for India.  How many vaccinated people were unknowingly infected by the Delta and infected others? I know there was a bunch of vaccinated Democrats who fled Texas who were infected with COVID  and infected others in Washington DC not to long ago. The vaccine isn't/wasn't a cure for COVID. You do understand that right.  I'm not opposed to the vaccine or opposed to the idea of people getting vaccinated either. However, I don't view it as necessary for everyone at this point.

(09-01-2021, 12:24 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-30-2021, 08:52 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: NO, no such talk form Democrats occurred. Democrats told minorities to get the vaccine, along with everyone else. Many Republicans told people not to get them. It sounds like you refused. I guess you played your martyr role and survived. Congratulations. Now you will still have to pay higher taxes if Biden gets his way and you make more than $400,000 a year. Meanwhile Republicans continue to politicize covid in hopes the people will blame Biden for it.

Your only reply is to spread silly false slogans about Democrats letting sick illegals into the country. Covid came over here first from China and then from Europe. It most likely spread from the USA to Mexico, not vice versa. The USA is the sickest covid country in the world. We are the source for most of the covid in the world, and Republicans are the source of the continuing pandemic, because of people like you who refuse to get vaccinated.

YOU and people like you are the problem, not illegal immigrants.

The Democrats and their self induced border crisis are most likely directly responsible for the spread of the Delta variant throughout the country. I don't think it's a coincidence the recent surge in illegal immigration along the southern border and the recent spread of the Delta variant occurred within the same time period. BTW, I've already been vaccinated the old fashioned way and my natural immunity has already proven to be equal or greater than your man made immunity at this point. You're about do for a booster right. You better get one, I don't want to end up on a cold slab before the gloves come off.

(09-01-2021, 12:23 PM)David Horn Wrote: Yes, Delta originated in India, but the suspected disease vector in the US arrived from the UK.  Of course, Trump and Modi are buddies, so direct importation is possible.  On vaccines in general: they have two related purposes.  First, they make the individual less susceptible to becoming sick and, second, they immunize the community.  Goal two requires widespread vaccination, and saying it's a personal choice is getting more absurd by the day.  Would you say that about polio or smallpox?

(09-01-2021, 02:06 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: What are they doing with all the illegal immigrants who are requesting asylum these days? What are they doing about all the illegal immigrants who aren't turning themselves in to authorities at the border these days? Are they refusing entry and sending them back to Mexico or are they taking them in and processing their requests and then releasing them on their own recognizance like they we doing while Obama was in office? I take it you haven't seen all the pictures of them that we have seen lately?

The Biden Administration, partisan blue hacks like you and the others and the Democratic party are equally responsible for the current wave of Covid infections across the country. Right now, you have a remnant group of GOP who are going along with the Democrats, playing the same game as the Democrats and providing political cover for Biden's blunders. So, where would you and the others be without the Trump vaccines today? How many of you would be alive today? As far as me (naturally vaccinated), I'm as vulnerable and as likely to spread it to others as you (unnaturally vaccinated) are today. I figure I had the Delta variant back in mid July. So, I'm pretty much immune to it right now and the next few months. I figure, I had the Delta variant back in mid July. So unlike you and the others, I'm pretty much immune to it right now. The real experts say natural immunity tends to last for several months. So, why does the Democratic tribe seem to be getting dumber (becoming more clueless) as the American tribe is becoming better educated and more informed these days?

(08-31-2021, 05:07 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: In education I expect the norm for people not mentally retarded to get at the least two years of inexpensive, if highly-structured, formal education beyond K-12. My suggestions for the syllabus:

1. basic philosophy -- so that people can learn how to think
2. economics -- microeconomics (consumer/worker/firm and macroeconomics (the overall economy) 
3. psychology  -- so that people can recognize scams 
4. world history -- rather recently I thought Spain in the 1930's a scary analogue for America
5. comparative religion -- to reduce the potential for religious bigotry
6. music and art appreciation -- nice use of time. These have kept me out of the mental ward. 
7. comparative political systems -- the consequences of the rejection of democracy
8. freshman composition  -- so that one can communicate effectively
9. foreign languages (start earlier -- one Romance, one Germanic, and one Slavic, one of which will have to be at the college level)
10. more literature
11. probability and statistics -- enough said on their importance  

Basically, as complex as our economic life and social realities are, our youth will need the basic liberal arts. Three languages? Learn one Slavic language even if it has a small population of speakers (Hello, taramarie!) exp-ands one's intellectual universe greatly. 

So what if it makes certain parts of the current political spectrum irrelevant? If it is the Trump cult -- great.

(09-01-2021, 06:45 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(08-31-2021, 05:07 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: In education I expect the norm for people not mentally retarded to get at the least two years of inexpensive, if highly-structured, formal education beyond K-12. My suggestions for the syllabus:

1. basic philosophy -- so that people can learn how to think
2. economics -- microeconomics (consumer/worker/firm and macroeconomics (the overall economy) 
3. psychology  -- so that people can recognize scams 
4. world history -- rather recently I thought Spain in the 1930's a scary analogue for America
5. comparative religion -- to reduce the potential for religious bigotry
6. music and art appreciation -- nice use of time. These have kept me out of the mental ward. 
7. comparative political systems -- the consequences of the rejection of democracy
8. freshman composition  -- so that one can communicate effectively
9. foreign languages (start earlier -- one Romance, one Germanic, and one Slavic, one of which will have to be at the college level)
10. more literature
11. probability and statistics -- enough said on their importance  

Basically, as complex as our economic life and social realities are, our youth will need the basic liberal arts. Three languages? Learn one Slavic language even if it has a small population of speakers (Hello, taramarie!) exp-ands one's intellectual universe greatly. 

So what if it makes certain parts of the current political spectrum irrelevant? If it is the Trump cult -- great.

I would say we need more than appreciation for music and art. We can teach making art and music too. And that goes for creative writing too. I think basic liberal arts should include meditation training myself, and philosophy that teaches us not only how to think, but how to observe ourselves and perceive connections.

(09-01-2021, 07:18 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(09-01-2021, 06:45 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(08-31-2021, 05:07 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: In education I expect the norm for people not mentally retarded to get at the least two years of inexpensive, if highly-structured, formal education beyond K-12. My suggestions for the syllabus:

1. basic philosophy -- so that people can learn how to think
2. economics -- microeconomics (consumer/worker/firm and macroeconomics (the overall economy) 
3. psychology  -- so that people can recognize scams 
4. world history -- rather recently I thought Spain in the 1930's a scary analogue for America
5. comparative religion -- to reduce the potential for religious bigotry
6. music and art appreciation -- nice use of time. These have kept me out of the mental ward. 
7. comparative political systems -- the consequences of the rejection of democracy
8. freshman composition  -- so that one can communicate effectively
9. foreign languages (start earlier -- one Romance, one Germanic, and one Slavic, one of which will have to be at the college level)
10. more literature
11. probability and statistics -- enough said on their importance  

Basically, as complex as our economic life and social realities are, our youth will need the basic liberal arts. Three languages? Learn one Slavic language even if it has a small population of speakers (Hello, taramarie!) exp-ands one's intellectual universe greatly. 

So what if it makes certain parts of the current political spectrum irrelevant? If it is the Trump cult -- great.

I would say we need more than appreciation for music and art. We can teach making art and music too. And that goes for creative writing too. I think basic liberal arts should include meditation training myself, and philosophy that teaches us not only how to think, but how to observe ourselves and perceive connections.

The connection between the learning of music and achievement in mathematics and science is powerful. We could use an early start for kids. That should begin in early years.

(08-09-2021, 12:01 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: 10 worst states in the Delta surge. All 10 voted for Trump in 2020, 9 are deep red states. Here are the new daily infections per 100,000 people as of Aug.6 and this Forbes report, and the percent of people vaccinated, in these states.
1. FL 132.2 less than 50%
2. LA 96.6 37.2%
3. OK 79.4 40%
4. AR 69.5 41.8%
5. MS 68.1 34.8%
6. AL 56.6 34.6%
7. MO 48.5 41.8%
8. AK 48.5 45.8%
9. SC 44.7 40.9%
10. TN 40.5 39.4%



https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/08/06/travel-alert-states-high-risk-covid-19-delta-variant