(06-22-2016, 03:10 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(06-22-2016, 10:02 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Pete Townshend and The Who's "Quadrophenia" (1973) is musical alchemy. This is most vividly presented in the 2 instrumentals; both equally great. Near the beginning is "Quadrophenia" which introduces the four main themes in succession. It is like an overture. Near the end is "The Rock" which does the same, but then combines them so that we hear 3 or 4 of the themes simultaneously. This kind of counterpoint is a rare feat in music, and you may remember that the only pop song since Quadrophenia that may have accomplished this, as far as I know, is "Pray" by Justin Bieber and the Messengers; also the best song in pop since then.







The premise of Quadrophenia is that Jimmy, the young protagonist, has mental illness. The popular idea of schizophrenia is "split personality," and although that's not actually what it is, it serves as a good idea for the opera, except that Jimmy's personality is further split into four. Furthermore, there's an "as above, so below" scenario, because Jimmy identifies with The Who, so that Pete designs four themes representing both one aspect of Jimmy's personality, and at the same time a member of The Who. Each theme appears in several places in the opera, including in the two instrumentals, and also is presented individually as a song from the opera.

The tough guy and desperate, angry-protester theme is "Helpless Dancer" (Roger's theme) which appears on side 2 of the 4 LP sides. The romantic is open to wonder and self-discovery, and is represented by "Is It Me? (for a moment)," (John Entwhistle's theme), heard as part of "Dr. Jimmy" on side 4. John had written and performed a song called "Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde" on an earlier album. The heroic but manic "Bell Boy" (Keith's theme, sung by Keith) is the final track on side 3. The lost seeker of redemption is "Love Reign O'er Me" (Pete's theme), which follows "The Rock" to conclude the album in a blaze of passion and glory with a unique, intense, rumbling, blizzard-like climax of drumming, chords, and a guitar-glissade.

The Rock represents the potential for transformation through integration of the four parts of our being, and of Jimmy's personality. Maybe we all are kind-of like Jimmy. I go on to compare the four themes in one to The World, the final card of tarot, which pictures the throne of God image in Revelation, and to the four elements in alchemical and neo-pagan/esoteric philosophy which are represented by the four beasts in the picture around the goddess of wisdom in the center. "The Rock" is the alchemical philosopher's stone of rock! Picture the 4 members of The Who on the world card: Keith is the Bull (earth/Faith), Roger is the Lion (fire/Strength), Pete is the Eagle (water/Love), and John is the Man (air/Temperance).



In the Bible, of course, the four beasts also symbolize the four main gospel writers. The four generational archetypes obviously come to mind too. But which is which? And can they come together?

Yes can they come together. In order for that to happen we need to listen, comrpomise and be respecful. Something you  skip over when speaking of the 3T. I would leave you alone with this if you were respectful of the fact others have different tastes to you. Leave the poor 3T alone and we will have no trouble. I do not insult what music you like. Can we come together on this?

(06-22-2016, 03:39 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(06-22-2016, 03:31 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(06-22-2016, 03:10 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(06-22-2016, 10:02 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Pete Townshend and The Who's "Quadrophenia" (1973) is musical alchemy. This is most vividly presented in the 2 instrumentals; both equally great. Near the beginning is "Quadrophenia" which introduces the four main themes in succession. It is like an overture. Near the end is "The Rock" which does the same, but then combines them so that we hear 3 or 4 of the themes simultaneously. This kind of counterpoint is a rare feat in music, and you may remember that the only pop song since Quadrophenia that may have accomplished this, as far as I know, is "Pray" by Justin Bieber and the Messengers; also the best song in pop since then.







The premise of Quadrophenia is that Jimmy, the young protagonist, has mental illness. The popular idea of schizophrenia is "split personality," and although that's not actually what it is, it serves as a good idea for the opera, except that Jimmy's personality is further split into four. Furthermore, there's an "as above, so below" scenario, because Jimmy identifies with The Who, so that Pete designs four themes representing both one aspect of Jimmy's personality, and at the same time a member of The Who. Each theme appears in several places in the opera, including in the two instrumentals, and also is presented individually as a song from the opera.

The tough guy and desperate, angry-protester theme is "Helpless Dancer" (Roger's theme) which appears on side 2 of the 4 LP sides. The romantic is open to wonder and self-discovery, and is represented by "Is It Me? (for a moment)," (John Entwhistle's theme), heard as part of "Dr. Jimmy" on side 4. John had written and performed a song called "Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde" on an earlier album. The heroic but manic "Bell Boy" (Keith's theme, sung by Keith) is the final track on side 3. The lost seeker of redemption is "Love Reign O'er Me" (Pete's theme), which follows "The Rock" to conclude the album in a blaze of passion and glory with a unique, intense, rumbling, blizzard-like climax of drumming, chords, and a guitar-glissade.

The Rock represents the potential for transformation through integration of the four parts of our being, and of Jimmy's personality. Maybe we all are kind-of like Jimmy. I go on to compare the four themes in one to The World, the final card of tarot, which pictures the throne of God image in Revelation, and to the four elements in alchemical and neo-pagan/esoteric philosophy which are represented by the four beasts in the picture around the goddess of wisdom in the center. "The Rock" is the alchemical philosopher's stone of rock! Picture the 4 members of The Who on the world card: Keith is the Bull (earth/Faith), Roger is the Lion (fire/Strength), Pete is the Eagle (water/Love), and John is the Man (air/Temperance).



In the Bible, of course, the four beasts also symbolize the four main gospel writers. The four generational archetypes obviously come to mind too. But which is which? And can they come together?

Yes can they come together. In order for that to happen we need to listen, comrpomise and be respecful. Something you  skip over when speaking of the 3T. I would leave you alone with this if you were respectful of the fact others have different tastes to you. Leave the poor 3T alone and we will have no trouble. I do not insult what music you like. Can we come together on this?

From the post you made on the other thread, it appears not.

I am not insulting anyone or anything; just expressing my honest opinions. You can disagree; I expect you to. If you want to learn and experience what I have to share, that is your priviledge. If you post something I like that's new to me, I can say so (as I did). But you don't give the slightest evidence that you are willing to discover that you like something you didn't know before, that I posted. Let's see that happen. Until then, you are still on ignore and I probably won't listen to what you post anymore.

Your excuse for not listening to the songs that I think are the best, is that I am arrogant. That doesn't wash. The music speaks for itself, and its greatness has nothing to do with me. Either you have ears to hear, or you don't.

If I appreciate something new to me that you post, but you never appreciate something I post that is new to you, who is arrogant and not listening?

You could have posted something about this remarkable work by The Who. Instead, it's just about me being arrogant.

Eric, you call 3T music shit. That is insulting. You call it garbage. That is insulting.

Quote: Ok howabout you think of it this way. Think of your mot fave music. Got it? Its shit. Does that feel insulting? Think of something you have an emotional connection to. Got it? Its shit. It is a personal attack Eric. You need to hear me on this IF we are to come together on this. All you have to do is leave it alone.

Quote: I am not attacking your music and I am listening to your music. If we are to come together just post something you like and leave the personal attacks on music you hate alone. I would be way more eager to listen to all of your music if you let alone the attacks on music i adore. Keep in mind a certain 3T song was played at my nanas funeral. So when you say 3T is shit that stings. That was my nanas favourite song. Angel Eyes by Wet Wet Wet.

(06-22-2016, 04:00 PM)taramarie Wrote: To live and let live we need to be able to see eye to eye on this. We need to be respectful of others. I cannot be respectful to someone who wants to continue to bash music i have a personal connection with. This is not about me not allowing you freedom. This is about respect for others and their differences.

(06-22-2016, 04:04 PM)taramarie Wrote: I did not see that post to have any thought on that.

(06-22-2016, 05:35 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: My favorite by Elton John is from 1972, the soft-rock year.

(06-22-2016, 10:19 PM)taramarie Wrote: 1973?

(06-22-2016, 10:33 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(06-22-2016, 10:27 PM)gabrielle Wrote:

(06-22-2016, 10:19 PM)taramarie Wrote: 1973?

I think the original was in 1968 or 69

This version said 1973.

(06-22-2016, 07:18 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: Yeah,  Summer Breeze cover in all its awesomeness!