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Are cultural/mainstream generations = / = historical/sociological generations? - Ghost - 12-13-2020
I see generation-related threads and posts on Reddit, PersonalityCafe, and Twitter and they are quite different from the generation definitions I see on here, which are more sociological/historical/political based.
Cultural Range
Cultural generations tend to be around 15-18 years in length and are more based on mainstream pop culture trends.
My cultural ranges for generations:
- GI: 1910-1927
- Silents: 1928-1945
- Baby Boomers: 1946-1961
- Gen X: 1962-1980
- Millennials: 1981-1997
- Gen Z: 1998-2014
- "Gen Alpha": 2015+
Historical Range
Historical/cultural/sociological generations are longer in length and are generally 20-25 years in length. They are based on having four generations in 80-100 year saecula.
My historical ranges for generations:
- GI: 1901-1924
- Silents: 1925-1942
- Baby Boomers: 1943-1960
- Gen X: 1961-1981
- Millennials/Civics: 1982-2002
- Homelanders/New Artists: 2003-2021
- Neo-Prophets: 2022+
RE: Are cultural/mainstream generations = / = historical/sociological generations? - pbrower2a - 12-13-2020
I am going to define the divide between the Millennial and Homeland generation between those who have gone through childhood without disruptions of the usual rites of passage (K-12 attendance, First Communions, bar mitzvahs, Little League baseball, Pop Warner football, Scouting, 4-H, quinceaneras, first driver's licenses, school plays and band or orchestra concerts, high-school proms, high-school graduations) not ordinarily put off without doing harm or creating a travesty (Homeland) and going through the ones appropriate for one's culture (OK, if you are a Jewish kid in Manhattan you get a bar mitzvah and may never drive a car, but if you are a Swedish-American farm kid in rural Minnesota you get no bar mitzvah but you do learn to drive a car so that you can get a license at 16). There will be many kids who must repeat a year of schooling due to the disruption that COVID-19 did to their schooling.
The next Idealist generation will probably be the one that has no experience with the definitive Crisis event of this Crisis Era, COVID-19.
It is arguable that every year of childhood is critical in personal development, and Homeland kids will find much of their life stunted. The only thing that they can have as a common experience that won't be disrupted will be voting.
College can be put off for a year, and some would-be college freshman who takes advantage of the opportunity to do well-paid labor in a genuine factory might get the special bonus of saving some money for education instead of going into debt. But that is how things might be for Millennial -- but not Homeland kids.
RE: Are cultural/mainstream generations = / = historical/sociological generations? - Cocoa_Puff - 12-13-2020
For me, it's this:
Cultural Range
Cultural generations tend to be around 15-18 years in length and are more based on mainstream pop culture trends.
My cultural ranges for generations:
- GI: 1901-1924 or 1901-1927
- Silents: 1928-1945 or 1925-1942
- Baby Boomers: 1946-1964 or 1943-1960
- Gen X: 1965-1980 or 1961-1980
- Millennials: 1981-1997; could end between 1996 and 1998
- Gen Z: 1998-2014; could start between 1997 and 1999
- "Gen Alpha": 2015+
Historical/demographic/sociological generations are longer in length and are generally 20-25 years in length. They are based on having four generations in 80-100 year saecula.
My historical ranges for generations:
- GI: 1901-1927 or 1910-1927 (18-year theory); 1901-1924 could work too but I still see 1925-1927 as GIs for good reason
- Silents: 1928-1945; possibly 1925-1945
- Baby Boomers: 1946-1963 (18-year theory) or 1946-1964; could possibly end in 1962 or even 1965
- Gen X: 1964-1981 (18-year theory) or 1965-1981; 1964-1982 or 1965-1982 could work too; could start between 1963-1966 or end between 1980-1982
- Millennials/Civics: 1982-1999 (18-year theory) or 1982-2000; probably could also be 1982-2001 or 1982-2002; could start between 1981-1983
- Homelanders/New Artists: 2000-2017 (18-year theory) or 2001-2018/2019; probably could also be 2002-2019 or 2003-2021
- Neo-Prophets: 2018+ or 2020+; could also be 2022+
RE: Are cultural/mainstream generations = / = historical/sociological generations? - Eric the Green - 12-14-2020
(12-13-2020, 02:37 PM)Cocoa_Puff Wrote: Historical Range
Historical/demographic/sociological generations are longer in length and are generally 20-25 years in length. They are based on having four generations in 80-100 year saecula.
My historical ranges for generations:
- GI: 1901-1927 or 1910-1927 (18-year theory); 1901-1924 could work too but I still see 1925-1927 as GIs for good reason
- Silents: 1928-1945; possibly 1925-1945
- Baby Boomers: 1946-1963 (18-year theory) or 1946-1964; could possibly end in 1962 or even 1965
- Gen X: 1964-1981 (18-year theory) or 1965-1981; 1964-1982 or 1965-1982 could work too; could start between 1963-1966 or end between 1980-1982
- Millennials/Civics: 1982-1999 (18-year theory) or 1982-2000; probably could also be 1982-2001 or 1982-2002; could start between 1981-1983
- Homelanders/New Artists: 2000-2017 (18-year theory) or 2001-2018/2019; probably could also be 2002-2019 or 2003-2021
- Neo-Prophets: 2018+ or 2020+; could also be 2022+
GI: 1901-1923
Silents: 1924-1942
Boomers: 1943-1960
Xer: 1961-1981
Millennials: 1982-2003
Gen Z: 2004-2024
Alpha: 2025-
RE: Are cultural/mainstream generations = / = historical/sociological generations? - Cocoa_Puff - 12-14-2020
(12-14-2020, 03:30 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:(12-13-2020, 02:37 PM)Cocoa_Puff Wrote: Historical Range
Historical/demographic/sociological generations are longer in length and are generally 20-25 years in length. They are based on having four generations in 80-100 year saecula.
My historical ranges for generations:
- GI: 1901-1927 or 1910-1927 (18-year theory); 1901-1924 could work too but I still see 1925-1927 as GIs for good reason
- Silents: 1928-1945; possibly 1925-1945
- Baby Boomers: 1946-1963 (18-year theory) or 1946-1964; could possibly end in 1962 or even 1965
- Gen X: 1964-1981 (18-year theory) or 1965-1981; 1964-1982 or 1965-1982 could work too; could start between 1963-1966 or end between 1980-1982
- Millennials/Civics: 1982-1999 (18-year theory) or 1982-2000; probably could also be 1982-2001 or 1982-2002; could start between 1981-1983
- Homelanders/New Artists: 2000-2017 (18-year theory) or 2001-2018/2019; probably could also be 2002-2019 or 2003-2021
- Neo-Prophets: 2018+ or 2020+; could also be 2022+
GI: 1901-1923
Silents: 1924-1942
Boomers: 1943-1960
Xer: 1961-1981
Millennials: 1982-2003
Gen Z: 2004-2024
Alpha: 2025-
1924 as Silents? That means that we already had TWO Silent presidents and apparently will have a THIRD Silent president in office eventually.
RE: Are cultural/mainstream generations = / = historical/sociological generations? - Warren Dew - 12-15-2020
(12-13-2020, 11:10 AM)Ghost Wrote: I see generation-related threads and posts on Reddit, PersonalityCafe, and Twitter and they are quite different from the generation definitions I see on here, which are more sociological/historical/political based.
Cultural Range
Cultural generations tend to be around 15-18 years in length and are more based on mainstream pop culture trends.
My cultural ranges for generations:
- GI: 1910-1927
- Silents: 1928-1945
- Baby Boomers: 1946-1961
- Gen X: 1962-1980
- Millennials: 1981-1997
- Gen Z: 1998-2014
- "Gen Alpha": 2015+
Historical Range
Historical/cultural/sociological generations are longer in length and are generally 20-25 years in length. They are based on having four generations in 80-100 year saecula.
My historical ranges for generations:
- GI: 1901-1924
- Silents: 1925-1942
- Baby Boomers: 1943-1960
- Gen X: 1961-1981
- Millennials/Civics: 1982-2002
- Homelanders/New Artists: 2003-2021
- Neo-Prophets: 2022+
Culturally, the Lost Generation were soldiers of WWI, so they can't include birth years up to 1909. Culturally and sociologically, GIs have to start around 1901, making them match through Gen X at least.
For recent generations, the labels shift rapidly. For example, "Gen Y" originally referred to birth years in the 1970s who came of age in the good economic times after the Cold War ended; now those birth years solidly grouped with Gen X, and "Gen Y" means early Millenials. "Gen Z" originally referred to late millenials born in the 1990s; now it refers to postmillenials. What seems to happen is that culture tries to break down generations more finely when they are young, but come into agreement with sociological generations with time.