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Would You Vote For Gary Johnson? - Anthony '58 - 05-23-2016
Remember when Jackie Gleason said, in an episode of The Honeymooners, "I'm goin' bowlin' - but I'm not goin' bowlin'"?
The Social Darwinist wing of the Republican Party can do essentially the same thing by throwing their support behind already-running Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson.
They would be launching a third-party bid - but they wouldn't be launching a third-party bid!
RE: Would You Vote For Gary Johnson? - Kinser79 - 05-23-2016
I like Johnson. He'd be halfway decent. That being said the answer is no. Like with Jill Stein a vote for anyone other than Trump is a vote for HRC.
RE: Would You Vote For Gary Johnson? - Kinser79 - 05-24-2016
If one is in California, it doesn't matter much. The People's Republic of Kalifornia is most likely to go for Clinton anyway.
As for sending a message via the Primary, lol. The people have sent their message through that to the GOP. The people's choice is Daddy.
RE: Would You Vote For Gary Johnson? - Bronco80 - 05-25-2016
The 3T version of me would have likely said yes, but the 4T version says no way.
RE: Would You Vote For Gary Johnson? - Dan '82 - 05-25-2016
(05-25-2016, 04:42 PM)Bronco80 Wrote: The 3T version of me would have likely said yes, but the 4T version says no way.
What if Johnson and Trump are neck and neck for the lead in Idaho?
RE: Would You Vote For Gary Johnson? - Bronco80 - 05-25-2016
(05-25-2016, 04:50 PM)Dan Wrote:(05-25-2016, 04:42 PM)Bronco80 Wrote: The 3T version of me would have likely said yes, but the 4T version says no way.
What if Johnson and Trump are neck and neck for the lead in Idaho?
That's a pretty unlikely hypothetical, but if it came to that I could certainly strategically vote for Johnson.
RE: Would You Vote For Gary Johnson? - Dan '82 - 05-25-2016
(05-25-2016, 04:55 PM)Bronco80 Wrote:(05-25-2016, 04:50 PM)Dan Wrote:(05-25-2016, 04:42 PM)Bronco80 Wrote: The 3T version of me would have likely said yes, but the 4T version says no way.
What if Johnson and Trump are neck and neck for the lead in Idaho?
That's a pretty unlikely hypothetical, but if it came to that I could certainly strategically vote for Johnson.
The reason I threw it out is because my understanding is that Mormons are strongly opposed to both Trump and Clinton and that Johnson would be a "none of the above" vote and that the none-Mormon population is libertarian leaning. I don't think it's that likely.
RE: Would You Vote For Gary Johnson? - Bronco80 - 05-25-2016
(05-25-2016, 05:10 PM)Dan Wrote:(05-25-2016, 04:55 PM)Bronco80 Wrote:(05-25-2016, 04:50 PM)Dan Wrote:(05-25-2016, 04:42 PM)Bronco80 Wrote: The 3T version of me would have likely said yes, but the 4T version says no way.
What if Johnson and Trump are neck and neck for the lead in Idaho?
That's a pretty unlikely hypothetical, but if it came to that I could certainly strategically vote for Johnson.
The reason I threw it out is because my understanding is that Mormons are strongly opposed to both Trump and Clinton and that Johnson would be a "none of the above" vote and that the none-Mormon population is libertarian leaning. I don't think it's that likely.
There's not as many Mormons here (~20%) as in Utah--Idaho's actually among the most religiously diverse states if you break down all the Christian denominations. And much to my displeasure, there's just not enough Democrats here yet. The GOP is pretty much machine-like statewide at this point, and while Trump may not be as popular as an establishment GOP candidate, I doubt it's enough to make any real difference here.
RE: Would You Vote For Gary Johnson? - Eric the Green - 05-30-2016
Does the Libertarian Party Finally Have a Chance?
How America’s largest third party could actually make a difference this time.
By BRIAN DOHERTY May 26, 2016
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/never-trump-2016-elections-libertarians-213917
Paul Jost is a serious Republican. He sought the Republican nomination for a House seat from Virginia twice (but didn’t win his primaries). He works in real estate and considers himself a “small-business person” whose main interest is “really keeping taxes low, cutting back on government.” Jost and his wife, Laura, are the types who used to travel to New Hampshire for fun to check out candidate town halls and figure out who they might support.
Now, Jost is on his way to his first Libertarian Party convention, which will be held in Orlando this weekend. The most likely nominees for president and vice president are two other formerly die-hard Republicans, Gary Johnson of New Mexico and Bill Weld of Massachusetts, both of them popular ex-state governors. Other prominent Republicans such as GOP strategist Mary Matalin are also switching to the Libertarian Party.
Does this constitute a growing trend in this time of Trump—a time when many traditional Republicans can’t stand the thought of voting for a brash real-estate magnate who has shattered the GOP agenda, possibly beyond repair? Often ignored—not even a significant factor enough to play the spoiler in past elections—many Libertarians say yes. “We are seeing record interest in the party,” says the national Libertarian Party’s political director, Carla Howell. “Membership has spiked; it has gone up about 30 percent in the last few months. We’re also seeing record media interest.”
Johnson, in an interview with Politico on Monday, said he’s jazzed that Weld decided to partner with him last week to seek the vice presidential slot. Hearing someone is a Libertarian can, Johnson says, make them “infer loose screws, but [Weld] brings, oh my goodness, a Good Housekeeping seal of approval, and I’m not talking theoretical here. Over the last five days we’ve had 32 national media requests [after the Weld news]. That’s never remotely happened before.”
Moreover, the Libertarians have largely solved a third party’s biggest problem, ballot access, after decades of work and great expense every election cycle since their first presidential race in 1972. (They won an electoral vote from a faithless Republican elector that year, making their vice presidential candidate, Tonie Nathan, the first woman to receive an electoral vote.) They are already locked into 32 ballots for November. Though the signature deadlines for many states still lie ahead, the party is confident it's on track to nab them all.
Success, however, is about far more than ballot access. The Libertarians need a national profile they don’t really have yet. They are coming out of their highest raw vote total ever, with Johnson’s 1.27 million in 2012—but even that was slightly less than 1 percent of the vote. Johnson believes the only way to avoid a repeat of his 2012 showing is getting into a nationally televised presidential debate with Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. That’s not going to be easy: The rules of the Commission on Presidential Debates will admit only candidates who are on enough ballots to actually win in the Electoral College (no problem) and who poll at least 15 percent in five different polls. Only three polls so far have included Johnson, a Monmouth University one in March in which he came in at 11 percent, a Fox News poll in May in which he came in at 10 percent, and a Morning Consult poll out this week showing him at 10 percent. Johnson argues that if “Mickey Mouse were in a poll, he’d be getting 30 percent” against Trump and Clinton. But Mickey Mouse won’t be on the ballot nationwide; a Libertarian will—and an abortion-rights supporter at that, which could make him a non-option for many defecting Republicans.
Thus the road to playing a true spoiler role—to going from less than 1 percent to the several percentage points that could tilt the election—is a long one. Johnson and Weld would need to make the case that two experienced Republican executives are on the ballot as an alternative to a reality show host, even though John Kasich and others failed to make that same case in the GOP primaries. Johnson also holds out hope that as the most consistent and extreme candidate on issues like ending the drug war and limiting military intervention overseas, he can shave off Bernie Sanders fans repulsed by Clinton. Johnson even worked as CEO of a pot-industry company called Cannabis Sativa between campaigns. That could help with progressives, hurt with conservatives.
The biggest wild card for the Libertarians, perhaps, is that the electorate is famously dissatisfied this year, and both major party candidates are suffering majority disapproval ratings. Polls showing majority willingness to vote for a third party rose in 2010 as well as now. Even so, Rand Paul, the putative libertarian candidate in the GOP race, tanked badly in the polls and dropped out early. And Gallup reported in 2012 that specific third-party candidates’ polled support in June tends to fall by more than half by the time people really vote.
The core Libertarian Party message matches the post-Reagan Republican self-image in large respects: small government, low taxes, trusting the American people or the states to mostly manage their own affairs. That has attracted tea party defectors as well: Another attendee in Orlando will be Matt Kibbe, the former chief at FreedomWorks (a grass-roots small-government outfit that aligned itself with the tea party) who runs a super PAC, Concerned American Voters, that supported Paul. Kibbe knows many “tea partiers, constitutional conservatives who had been supporting Ted Cruz and liberty Republicans that were standing with Rand,” he says, “and they are all looking for a place to land.”
Johnson, who likes to sum up his version of the Libertarian message as simply “fiscally conservative and socially liberal,” also says his New Mexico experience has him prepared, if he wins, for governing as a Libertarian nationally with a possibly hostile Congress.
Many in the GOP pooh-pooh the idea that he can make a difference at all, much less win. Republican National Committee spokesman Sean Spicer insisted on CNN this week that Republicans don’t fear Johnson, and he said third-party mania, such as it is, was a media creation that will have no effect on the election.
But the Libertarians say this year is as good a chance as they’ve had to make their way into the national spotlight. Asked about specific strategies to attract Republicans this cycle, Johnson said defiantly: “If you believe we should deport 11 million illegal immigrants and build a fence across the border and believe we should kill the families of Muslim terrorists and bring back waterboarding or worse, if you believe free trade is about applying tariffs to incoming goods and services—then I’m not your guy.”
The Libertarians have broken a 550,000 national vote total for president only once before in their history, in 1980, before Johnson came along. Because of the congruence of small-government rhetoric in both parties, Republicans often assume any Libertarian vote “really belonged” to them and if a Libertarian beats the spread between a winning Democrat and a losing Republican, the Libertarians will be accused of “spoiling” it for the GOP. This has happened more than a handful of times in federal Senate and House races, but never close to happening with the presidency. Johnson points out that in one of the rare national polls he’s been included in this year, a March Monmouth University poll, when added to the mix he pulled more from Clinton’s support (6 percent) than Trump’s (4).
Ultimately the question of whether Johnson can swing it will be how many Paul Josts are out there. Jost was a campaign chairman for George W. Bush in his congressional district in 2000. He gave money to Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz in their Senate races. He figures he’s donated over half a million to Republican candidates and causes, and he’s never even thought about a third party before. Nor would he be on this trip to Orlando, he says, if “the Republican Party had a normal, stable guy. Even some guys I didn’t like, who I was unhappy with, I would have supported them.”
But Trump is too much. For the first time, Jost says, he needs to find a candidate outside his beloved GOP..............
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/never-trump-2016-elections-libertarians-213917#ixzz4A9rtYYXV
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RE: Would You Vote For Gary Johnson? - pbrower2a - 05-30-2016
Libertarian success? Can they elect someone to Congress? Can they get 10% of the Presidential vote?
RE: Would You Vote For Gary Johnson? - Odin - 05-30-2016
Heard a story about NPR about the Libertarians' national convention and I heard a blurb about how a lot of people were grumbling that Johnson's real world experience in government compromised his ideological purity, which tells me everything I need know know about how dumb the Libertarians are.
RE: Would You Vote For Gary Johnson? - Eric the Green - 05-30-2016
I dunno; if they can flip a state or two into Hillary's column by attracting enough #neverTrump Republicans, they might serve a useful purpose
RE: Would You Vote For Gary Johnson? - pbrower2a - 05-30-2016
(05-30-2016, 12:09 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I dunno; if they can flip a state or two into Hillary's column by attracting enough #neverTrump Republicans, they might serve a useful purpose
Most likely candidates:
North Carolina
Georgia
Arizona
Missouri
Indiana
North Dakota
South Dakota
Montana
...it would be sweet
RE: Would You Vote For Gary Johnson? - pbrower2a - 05-31-2016
(05-31-2016, 11:31 AM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: Besides the cynical mentality of partisan Democrats "they will flip states" I'm happy that we are seeing alternatives to main stream parties and seeing a "home" for those who don't buy into the whole "God, Straight Marriage and the War on Drugs" mentality, and yet, may not be attracted to Socialism and watered down versions of it.
I don't see Donald Trump winning the Presidency unless some calamity happens to the Obama Administration.
The best thing for Democrats is that they keep winning the Electoral College something like 305-233 indefinitely. That said, the best thing for America is that the Republican party re-establish itself as a center-right Party as a viable alternative to corrupt, incompetent, or inattentive Democrats. Losing an election 405-133 will force some soul-searching among Republicans.