(02-26-2021, 01:08 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Well?  You have not explained how you can be against the Constitution, rule of law, free speech and freedom of religion and still call yourself 'American'.

(02-26-2021, 03:17 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-25-2021, 12:52 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Good luck with that. And yet you and other trumpers fear them coming into the USA "to take our jobs." If they can do that, maybe they aren't so inferior. Somebody knows what they got. They are just being blocked by a cumbersome, racist and restrictive immigration policy, which itself just leads to more violations of immigration laws by the refugees.

With climate change, tyranny and drug cartels ruining peoples lives below the border, these refugees have no time to wait for our immigration laws. But I know, there's no statue of liberty and Emma Lazarus poem on the Texas, Arizona or California borders. Details!

Maybe you trumpers and goppers just don't want more Democrats in the USA. But with your policy of hate and unfair treatment, you are turning hispanics against your Party-- with the resulting loss or impending loss of all the southwestern states for your Party. 

If you were more fair, as they get more economically stable they would probably be just as tempted as others are now by your small-government, trickle-down, low taxes slogans, and they tend to be cultural conservatives too. But you guys have blown it for decades to come now. We Democrats can hope that by that time your trickle-down, anti-welfare slogans will be old hat and not so tempting. Cultural assimilation may even reduce their ties to old fashioned cultural views too.

What makes you think/assume that minorities are only capable of becoming/remaining Democratic voters these days? I've been hearing that from you guys and others for years.

Quote:  I'm still get the gist of that from the Progressive/Democratic side a lot these days too. Are you all racist or something?

Quote:Are you sure that you're not Liberal white supremacists? Are you sure that you aren't guilty of sugar yourselves and using us as a means to hide your inner racist  beliefs/feelings and continue gain/keep minority support?

Quote:Do you bow down, suck up and kiss their lily white asses in exchange for charitable donations or money for their political movements or protection of their interests? Do you expect the same treatment as them being you're associated with them? I can see it, can you see it in how you write or respond?

Quote:I figure we'll eventually get the better ones and you'll end up being  stuck with the rest and whatever issues and problems and the overall costs that are directly related to them. I assume that modern plumbing, electricity, running water, free health care and some what safer living conditions and lax laws pertaining to petty crime and other crime associated with them would be viewed as an improvement over the countries that they left.

Quote:Dude, we are just getting started now. I hope you are ready for the emotional roller coaster ride that's in store for Progressives like you. Keep in mind, America will because America can and there won't be a (expletive deleted)  thing that you or the Obama's can do or say to stop Americans from doing or supporting when the American Revolution starts. People like Enzige may see their wish come true.

(02-26-2021, 04:20 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-26-2021, 01:08 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Well?  You have not explained how you can be against the Constitution, rule of law, free speech and freedom of religion and still call yourself 'American'.

Bob, I've been defending the Constitution and the Constitutional rights of others and fighting with Democrats and Progressives over it or about it since the day I arrived many years ago  and I'm still doing it today. If you want a war with America then by all means continue supporting the Democrats that  you've been supporting and by all means continue ignoring the Democrats as they undermine the authority of the Constitution, the rule of law, and control/remove free speech and attack/threaten the freedom of religion as you continue questioning me and  calling yourself an American. You are one f-d up Democratic believer who happens to be an American by birth these days.

(02-26-2021, 08:07 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: If you are capable of wrapping your mind around principles, define how Democrats are against the Constitution, rule of law, free speech and freedom of religion?  The red version of these concepts seem to be invading the capitol, lying habitually, and using the government to enforce religious beliefs. 

(02-23-2021, 11:32 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-22-2021, 09:06 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Discussing communism with Einzige on the let's make fun of trump page. Does that mean Trump is a communist?

Of course it does, or maybe it's the opposite and Trump imperils the emergence of Marxism.  Then again, it might be that Trump is part of the great anti-Marxist cabal pretending to fight one another to keep Marxism at bay.  Your choice.

(02-27-2021, 02:52 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-26-2021, 08:07 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: If you are capable of wrapping your mind around principles, define how Democrats are against the Constitution, rule of law, free speech and freedom of religion?  The red version of these concepts seem to be invading the capitol, lying habitually, and using the government to enforce religious beliefs. 

What happened to the folks who refused to make a cake for a gay couples wedding, are they still in business? One can easily assume that their religious freedoms were not respected by the gay couple they =refused or recognized by the state that they lived in either. Strike 1

Quote:Why does a local court have the authority to undermine Constitutional and alter/ significantly change state elections laws and impact national elections these days? One can assume they viewed themselves as being above the law and having the right to undermine state law and Constitutional authority of the USA.  Strike 2

Quote:Why do publicly owned corporations and institutions have the ultimate authority to restrict ban free speech, discriminate on the basis of creed and even prosecute and convict people without due process and determine outcomes? One can assume that the Democratic party does not recognize the Constitution as being the ultimate authority aka law of the land. Strike 3

Quote:Why did the Democrats either completely ignore, down play and in some cases support the violence that occurred all over the country for several months that directly impacted lots of peoples live and caused billions of dollars in losses? One can assume that the rule of law is not recognized by them and does not apply to them. Strike 4

Quote:So, what do you think is going to happen when Liberal cancel culture meets American cancel culture? Keep in mind, there are no rules or protections that exist during a Civil War.

(02-27-2021, 02:52 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-26-2021, 08:07 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: If you are capable of wrapping your mind around principles, define how Democrats are against the Constitution, rule of law, free speech and freedom of religion?  The red version of these concepts seem to be invading the capitol, lying habitually, and using the government to enforce religious beliefs. 

What happened to the folks who refused to make a cake for a gay couples wedding, are they still in business? One can easily assume that their religious freedoms were not respected by the gay couple they =refused or recognized by the state that they lived in either. Strike 1
Why does a local court have the authority to undermine Constitutional and alter/ significantly change state elections laws and impact national elections these days? One can assume they viewed themselves as being above the law and having the right to undermine state law and Constitutional authority of the USA.  Strike 2
Why do publicly owned corporations and institutions have the ultimate authority to restrict ban free speech, discriminate on the basis of creed and even prosecute and convict people without due process and determine outcomes? One can assume that the Democratic party does not recognize the Constitution as being the ultimate authority aka law of the land. Strike 3
Why did the Democrats either completely ignore, down play and in some cases support the violence that occurred all over the country for several months that directly impacted lots of peoples live and caused billions of dollars in losses? One can assume that the rule of law is not recognized by them and does not apply to them. Strike 4
So, what do you think is going to happen when Liberal cancel culture meets American cancel culture? Keep in mind, there are no rules or protections that exist during a Civil War.

(02-27-2021, 11:36 AM)Einzige Wrote: BLM is funded by a bunch of capitalists, same as the Republican groups.

(02-27-2021, 11:35 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I have made my predictions often enough.  The old values fade.  A few nuts keep ranting.  Come the high, no one will tolerate having to listen.

(02-27-2021, 01:19 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-27-2021, 11:35 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I have made my predictions often enough.  The old values fade.  A few nuts keep ranting.  Come the high, no one will tolerate having to listen.

I almost passed this by, but caught myself at the exit.  Yes, the 1T will be as rigid as the 3T was loosey-goosey.  Given the pattern of victors claiming the spoils, the next 2T is the soonest we can expect a real counter to the 4T-climax/1T-paradigm.  What that will be is still TBD, because the final result of the 4T is still in the wings.  I don't know if Biden has it in him to drive the 4T to a dramatic end.  He may falter and is likely to be a one-termer in any case.  I don't see Kamala Harris lighting a huge fire either, and a challenger for 2024 is invisible for now. W-a-y too many variables here!

(02-27-2021, 12:33 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-27-2021, 11:36 AM)Einzige Wrote: BLM is funded by a bunch of capitalists, same as the Republican groups.

So in response to inadequately sourced outrage, you elect to stand with the .01% of pure Marxist heart.  Good luck with that.

Quote: Last summer, the Ford Foundation, one of the most powerful private foundations in the world, announced that it was organizing to channel $100 million to the Black Lives Movement over the next six years.
“By partnering with Borealis Philanthropy, Movement Strategy Center and Benedict Consulting to found the Black-Led Movement Fund, Ford has made six-year investments in the organizations and networks that compose the Movement for Black Lives,” according to the Ford Foundation web site. In a statement of support, Ford called for the group to grow and prosper. “We want to nurture bold experiments and help the movement build the solid foundation that will enable it to flourish.”
In the wake of the monetary commitment by the big-business foundation network, Black Lives Matter (BLM) has explicitly embraced black capitalism. It appears the group is now well positioned to cash in on the well-known #BLM Twitter hashtag. Announcing its first “big initiative for 2017,” BLM cofounder Patrisse Cullors stated that it would be partnering with the Fortune 500 New York ad agency J. Walter Thompson (JWT) to create “the biggest and most easily accessible black business database in the country.”
BLM joins the ranks of prestigious JWT clientele including HSBC Bank, Johnson & Johnson, Microsoft, and Shell Oil. JWT also represents the US Marine Corps. CEO Lynn Power suggested that the BLM partnership would provide the advertising firm with an opportunity to “shape culture positively.” “I am really glad that our partnership with Black Lives Matter is giving us the opportunity to play a truly active role,” she enthused.
The joint project, Backing Black Business, is a nationwide interactive map of black-owned enterprises. This virtual Google-based directory has nothing to do with opposing police violence, from which Black Lives Matter ostensibly emerged. Cullors nevertheless portrayed the venture as enabling blacks to have “somewhere for us to go and feel seen and safe,” concluding, “In these uncertain times, we need these places more than ever.”
Such developments may come as a surprise to those who embraced the sentiment that “black lives matter” because they saw it as an oppositional rebuke to the militarization of police and the disproportionate police murder of African Americans. Many did not realize that the political aims and nature of Black Lives Matter were of an entirely different nature.
In fact, the election of Donald Trump has served to put even more distance between the large layers of workers and young people opposed to police violence and the privileged upper middle class layer that Black Lives Matter represents. The latter, developments have shown, are leveraging #BLM as a brand to make a name for themselves, find lucrative sinecures and, more generally, get on the gravy train.
BLM’s most recent scheme is even more crass than Backing Black Business. In February, BLM launched a “black debit card” underwritten by OneUnited Bank. “A historic partnership has been born between OneUnited Bank, the largest Black-owned bank in the country, and #BlackLivesMatter to organize the $1.2 trillion in spending power of Black people and launch the Amir card during Black History Month,” boasts OneUnited’s web site.
The debit card project is a part of a larger campaign by black multimillionaire celebrities, including Beyonce, Solange and Queen Latifah, to promote investment in black-owned banks. Describing the Amir debit card as another form of “black empowerment,” BLM spokeswoman Melina Abdullah called it “important on a lot of levels.” She said it will feature the “face of this beautiful black boy who will evoke for many folks people like Trayvon Martin.”
BLM has invested its money in OneUnited since its inception, according to Abdullah, who is also the chair of the Pan-African Studies Department at California State University, Los Angeles.
Teri Williams, president and chief operating officer of OneUnited, and the wife of its chairman and CEO, Kevin Cohee, echoed Abdullah’s sales pitch, adding that “when I hand [the Amir card] to someone, I’m saying to them that black lives do matter, that black money does matter and that we are an important consumer.” Debit card holders will receive regular notices requesting BLM donations, the bank noted.
The dubious history of the bank has apparently been no barrier to the partnership with BLM. OneUnited, the recipient of a generous Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) loan in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis, was subject to federal audit when it failed to meet the terms of the agreement.
The audit provoked a minor scandal when it was revealed that the bank had provided CEO Cohee a lavish lifestyle including a leased Porsche, a “handsome living allowance,” an $880,000 condo in Miami Beach, and $26,500 per month to lease a mansion in Santa Monica, California. The government’s generosity, it was widely suspected, was connected to the fact that Democratic congresswoman Maxine Waters’s husband, who was also on the bank’s board of directors and owned stock in the company, stood to lose over $350,000 if the bank failed.

(02-27-2021, 01:35 PM)Einzige Wrote:

(02-27-2021, 12:33 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-27-2021, 11:36 AM)Einzige Wrote: BLM is funded by a bunch of capitalists, same as the Republican groups.

So in response to inadequately sourced outrage, you elect to stand with the .01% of pure Marxist heart.  Good luck with that.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/04/04/blm-a04.html

(02-27-2021, 02:52 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-27-2021, 01:35 PM)Einzige Wrote:

(02-27-2021, 12:33 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-27-2021, 11:36 AM)Einzige Wrote: BLM is funded by a bunch of capitalists, same as the Republican groups.

So in response to inadequately sourced outrage, you elect to stand with the .01% of pure Marxist heart.  Good luck with that.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/04/04/blm-a04.html

This is a bit like quoting yourself, but assuming the reportage is not just the photo-opposite of the far-right practice, why take this as more than corporate defense?  It's easy to use corporate funds to do things that will benefit the bottom line by making the company look more humane.  It's cynical, but effective.

(02-27-2021, 03:04 PM)Einzige Wrote:

(02-27-2021, 02:52 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-27-2021, 01:35 PM)Einzige Wrote:

(02-27-2021, 12:33 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-27-2021, 11:36 AM)Einzige Wrote: BLM is funded by a bunch of capitalists, same as the Republican groups.

So in response to inadequately sourced outrage, you elect to stand with the .01% of pure Marxist heart.  Good luck with that.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/04/04/blm-a04.html

This is a bit like quoting yourself, but assuming the reportage is not just the photo-opposite of the far-right practice, why take this as more than corporate defense?  It's easy to use corporate funds to do things that will benefit the bottom line by making the company look more humane.  It's cynical, but effective.

It's more than corporate defense, though it is that also - it's neutering the legitimate class anger of black American workers by uniting their interests with those of the PMCs of color employed by the official BLM organization, thereby eliminating African-Americans as a potential revolutionary locus.

In reality, a black NYC Uber driver has absolutely no shared interest with Oprah or Kenneth Frazier. But BLM exists to obscure this fact. The black proletariat needs to be armed and organized and melded into the wider militant working class.

(02-28-2021, 08:48 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-27-2021, 03:04 PM)Einzige Wrote:

(02-27-2021, 02:52 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-27-2021, 01:35 PM)Einzige Wrote:

(02-27-2021, 12:33 PM)David Horn Wrote: So in response to inadequately sourced outrage, you elect to stand with the .01% of pure Marxist heart.  Good luck with that.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/04/04/blm-a04.html

This is a bit like quoting yourself, but assuming the reportage is not just the photo-opposite of the far-right practice, why take this as more than corporate defense?  It's easy to use corporate funds to do things that will benefit the bottom line by making the company look more humane.  It's cynical, but effective.

It's more than corporate defense, though it is that also - it's neutering the legitimate class anger of black American workers by uniting their interests with those of the PMCs of color employed by the official BLM organization, thereby eliminating African-Americans as a potential revolutionary locus.

In reality, a black NYC Uber driver has absolutely no shared interest with Oprah or Kenneth Frazier. But BLM exists to obscure this fact. The black proletariat needs to be armed and organized and melded into the wider militant working class.

For the corporate elites, making their lives easier is adequate payment for the shareholder money they burn.  Reducing the power of any potential adversaries is icing on their cynical cake.  Why is this surprising?

(02-27-2021, 11:36 AM)Einzige Wrote: BLM is funded by a bunch of capitalists, same as the Republican groups.

(02-28-2021, 11:43 AM)Einzige Wrote: What surprising is how comfortable left-liberalism are with this social arrangement and the function their institutional allies perform within it.