Quote:The only time a presidential election was certainly rigged, in the last 140 years, was in 2000 when the Supreme Court ratified the blatant rigging of Katherine Harris and the Republicans in order to put a "shocking and awesome" genocidal murderer in the White House, and possibly in Ohio by Mr. Black in 2004 too to keep him there. THEY are the ones who rig elections. Nowadays conspiracy theory fans use that fact as the background event for the believability of their theories that elections are rigged by Hillary's Democrats.

The only name for the tactic of claiming that if you lose, the system is rigged, is "intimidation." That is certainly a tactic that bullies like Trump use all the time, and voters who prefer bullies (like you and Cynic Hero) are quite pleased with use of the tactic.

(08-10-2016, 11:31 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(08-10-2016, 04:49 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-10-2016, 04:23 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(08-10-2016, 02:46 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: When you think it can't get lower, then here it comes: a call to murderous violence against political opponents.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-shoot-clinton_us_57ab488ae4b06e52746e945e?section=&;

I hate making this comparison, but the late Ugandan tyrant Idi Amurderin' -- I mean Idi Amin -- frequently joked about killing people. He also killed people with serious intent, and in horrible numbers.

Donald Trump makes me wish that I were a German instead of a German-American.

Once in a while you may hear a talk host or passerby make a statement to the effect of "one of the reasons for the 2nd Amendment is to prevent tyranny" which I actually agree with and have no issue with. But in the context it was said, I sure didn't take Trump's statement that way, I took it as a veiled threat. Plus, even beyond that, even though talk hosts and passerby may make statements like the one in my first sentence, that is just not something a PotUS candidate says. I know, how quaint and old fashioned, this concept of decorum. We don't need no stinkin' decorum. We like a real man who tells it like it is ... blah, blah.

You don't need much decorum when you're dealing with progressive shitheads or competing against low down Democrats. Screw decorum, I would have been eaten alive (socially overwhelmed) had I stuck to decorum. We like a real man who knows the game of his adversary and plays the game to win. Mitt Romney should've cut through the liberal child play, set him on edge and drilled Obama. But no, no ,no...we have to be nice to the first cherry picked Black president. Washington DC, Washington politics and the media associated are becoming an ugly joke. There's you're problem dude and your bade Hillary doesn't have the balls or the interest in fixing it.

Do politics your way -- the Trump way -- and America would degenerate quickly into a political hell-hole in which everyone who runs afoul of the Great and Infallible Leader risks being assassinated. Maybe it's a jab from an umbrella that deposits a pellet of ricin stuck just beneath your skin, for which there is no antidote by some tourist while you are in London (that's how Georgi Markov, a dissident Bulgarian writer, met his end at the behest of the Commie secret police of the time). Ricin is even deadlier than cyanide. Or as you and your recent captor share a toast to your soon-to-arrive freedom you get a dose of thallium (a favorite trick of Saddam Hussein's Mukhabarat) which ensures that you don't get to enjoy freedom for long in Perth or Prague.

Barack Obama won the Presidency despite being black and won re-election decisively, which says much about him. In view of all the derision about him mostly for what he is or what he is alleged to be, I can't see how the Right treated him 'nicely':



This comes from the fascistic Posse Comitatus site, which has some vile commentary:

African lion or Lyin African. One is in the zoo and the other is the Communist Marxist Obama in the White House. How the public tide of opinion has turned on the Liberal Communist Party and their commie henchmen (including the Jewess Nancy Pelosi) in the White House. And the masses continue to awaken to these political whores in all aspects. The picture below is worth
10,000 words of truth.

Dr. James P. Wickstrom, D. Litt.

President Obama seems to get caught in few lies for a high-profile politician. Enough said. (FYI -- Nancy Pelosi isn't Jewish, as if being Jewish would make one questionable as a person).

Doctor of Letters -- where did "Doctor" Wickstrom get that -- some diploma mill? I could write better than that when I was in junior high school.

(08-11-2016, 03:49 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(08-11-2016, 12:54 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: If hillary is a good leader, Eric,  Xymox. How come wikileaks has produced copious amounts of documents indicating otherwise. Documents don't lie.

I'm not claiming she some sort of saint. I've written as much on several other threads. However, of the two candidates, she's the only one with the technical skills and expertise to do the job. I'll take the apple with bruises and a worm versus the rotten one given a choice between the two.

(08-10-2016, 06:46 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(08-10-2016, 06:01 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-10-2016, 05:14 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Why don't YOU run, classic? Trump has prepared the way for you. Seth Myers, John Oliver and Bill Maher will have as much fun with you as they have with the orange-haired menace.

I would love the opportunity to have a serious go at Bill Maher. Bill Maher wouldn't know what to do with me. I would turn that liberal minded twit inside out. First of all, I would remind him that he's a comedian and he's not an expert on anything very important or anything that really matters to fully mature adults.

I think voting matters, and the issues he deals with.

Quote: Second, I would verbally push him a bit on his Atheist views and give him a small glimpse as to what someone is like who is actually connected to a higher power.

How would you demonstrate that? Say a prayer and then give him a powerful karate Chop Chop?

Quote: Third, I would remind him that he's a life long bachelor who's never been responsible for the advancement or care of another human life his entire adult male life. No, I'd have him on the defensive from the start. I would make fun of his insecurity as it relates to religious people. I would poke at and make fun of his bigoted views. I would bring up his use of insults and verbally smash him for being a bigot. I would also suggest that making millions must lend to the complete disregard and disdain that he displays for regular folks. I would completely tear him apart and he would never be as popular as he was before meeting me. I could hold my own and do damage to the image of any one of them.

I doubt it. They'd make as much mince meat of you as they do of Trump, since you have the same illusions and prejudices. You call him a bigot, and he'd smack you on the head with your own black kettle.

I have to give plaudits to Seth Myers over the other two, because he's on broadcast media and can't depend on or resort to obscene words to get some of his laughs.

(08-11-2016, 10:53 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: It's easy to make mince meat of people who aren't there to directly counter them and defend themselves. The task of making mince meat of someone or some group becomes much harder face to face in a real life setting with a real life crowd. I would destroy the credibility of Bill Maher on his own stage in front of his own crowd by exploiting his obvious lack of character, lack of knowledge and emotional weakness's. Bill Maher is to much of an idiot to understand that most people who support Republicans do it because idiots like him are now viewed as being the ones who are in control of the Democrats. If you can't see that money speaks louder on your side than it does on the right then you're blind.

(08-11-2016, 09:38 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-11-2016, 03:49 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(08-11-2016, 12:54 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: If hillary is a good leader, Eric,  Xymox. How come wikileaks has produced copious amounts of documents indicating otherwise. Documents don't lie.

I'm not claiming she some sort of saint. I've written as much on several other threads. However, of the two candidates, she's the only one with the technical skills and expertise to do the job. I'll take the apple with bruises and a worm versus the rotten one given a choice between the two.

She got caught for using a private server located in her home. She got caught lying to us about it. You can have her and all the political garbage that will be coming with her. I'll take a chance on the political unknown.

(08-11-2016, 07:36 PM)The Wonkette Wrote:

Quote:The only time a presidential election was certainly rigged, in the last 140 years, was in 2000 when the Supreme Court ratified the blatant rigging of Katherine Harris and the Republicans in order to put a "shocking and awesome" genocidal murderer in the White House, and possibly in Ohio by Mr. Black in 2004 too to keep him there. THEY are the ones who rig elections. Nowadays conspiracy theory fans use that fact as the background event for the believability of their theories that elections are rigged by Hillary's Democrats.

The only name for the tactic of claiming that if you lose, the system is rigged, is "intimidation." That is certainly a tactic that bullies like Trump use all the time, and voters who prefer bullies (like you and Cynic Hero) are quite pleased with use of the tactic.

Just to nit, one could certainly argue that the election of 1876 was rigged.  That election was exactly 140 years ago.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1876

(08-11-2016, 10:53 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-10-2016, 06:46 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(08-10-2016, 06:01 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-10-2016, 05:14 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Why don't YOU run, classic? Trump has prepared the way for you. Seth Myers, John Oliver and Bill Maher will have as much fun with you as they have with the orange-haired menace.

I would love the opportunity to have a serious go at Bill Maher. Bill Maher wouldn't know what to do with me. I would turn that liberal minded twit inside out. First of all, I would remind him that he's a comedian and he's not an expert on anything very important or anything that really matters to fully mature adults.

I think voting matters, and the issues he deals with.

Quote: Second, I would verbally push him a bit on his Atheist views and give him a small glimpse as to what someone is like who is actually connected to a higher power.

How would you demonstrate that? Say a prayer and then give him a powerful karate Chop Chop?

Quote: Third, I would remind him that he's a life long bachelor who's never been responsible for the advancement or care of another human life his entire adult male life. No, I'd have him on the defensive from the start. I would make fun of his insecurity as it relates to religious people. I would poke at and make fun of his bigoted views. I would bring up his use of insults and verbally smash him for being a bigot. I would also suggest that making millions must lend to the complete disregard and disdain that he displays for regular folks. I would completely tear him apart and he would never be as popular as he was before meeting me. I could hold my own and do damage to the image of any one of them.

I doubt it. They'd make as much mince meat of you as they do of Trump, since you have the same illusions and prejudices. You call him a bigot, and he'd smack you on the head with your own black kettle.

I have to give plaudits to Seth Myers over the other two, because he's on broadcast media and can't depend on or resort to obscene words to get some of his laughs.

It's easy to make mince meat of people who aren't there to directly counter them and defend themselves. The task of making mince meat of someone or some group becomes much harder face to face in a real life setting with a real life crowd. I would destroy the credibility of Bill Maher on his own stage in front of his own crowd by exploiting his obvious lack of character, lack of knowledge and emotional weakness's. Bill Maher is to much of an idiot to understand that most people who support Republicans do it because idiots like him are now viewed as being the ones who are in control of the Democrats. If you can't see that money speaks louder on your side than it does on the right then you're blind.

(08-12-2016, 12:02 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Intelligent people do not like violence. Republicans used to refrain from calling for violence against political opponents. Donald Trump has broken that barrier, and he stands to lose in a landslide in part for that. Political violence is uttersly un-American, which may explain why the KKK has a hard time in America.

(08-12-2016, 12:02 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(08-11-2016, 10:53 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-10-2016, 06:46 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(08-10-2016, 06:01 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-10-2016, 05:14 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Why don't YOU run, classic? Trump has prepared the way for you. Seth Myers, John Oliver and Bill Maher will have as much fun with you as they have with the orange-haired menace.

I would love the opportunity to have a serious go at Bill Maher. Bill Maher wouldn't know what to do with me. I would turn that liberal minded twit inside out. First of all, I would remind him that he's a comedian and he's not an expert on anything very important or anything that really matters to fully mature adults.

I think voting matters, and the issues he deals with.

Quote: Second, I would verbally push him a bit on his Atheist views and give him a small glimpse as to what someone is like who is actually connected to a higher power.

How would you demonstrate that? Say a prayer and then give him a powerful karate Chop Chop?

Quote: Third, I would remind him that he's a life long bachelor who's never been responsible for the advancement or care of another human life his entire adult male life. No, I'd have him on the defensive from the start. I would make fun of his insecurity as it relates to religious people. I would poke at and make fun of his bigoted views. I would bring up his use of insults and verbally smash him for being a bigot. I would also suggest that making millions must lend to the complete disregard and disdain that he displays for regular folks. I would completely tear him apart and he would never be as popular as he was before meeting me. I could hold my own and do damage to the image of any one of them.

I doubt it. They'd make as much mince meat of you as they do of Trump, since you have the same illusions and prejudices. You call him a bigot, and he'd smack you on the head with your own black kettle.

I have to give plaudits to Seth Myers over the other two, because he's on broadcast media and can't depend on or resort to obscene words to get some of his laughs.

It's easy to make mince meat of people who aren't there to directly counter them and defend themselves. The task of making mince meat of someone or some group becomes much harder face to face in a real life setting with a real life crowd. I would destroy the credibility of Bill Maher on his own stage in front of his own crowd by exploiting his obvious lack of character, lack of knowledge and emotional weakness's. Bill Maher is to much of an idiot to understand that most people who support Republicans do it because idiots like him are now viewed as being the ones who are in control of the Democrats. If you can't see that money speaks louder on your side than it does on the right then you're blind.

We often have some distance between ourselves and some bad guys. It's just as well.

Demographic evidence suggests that well-educated people -- even well-educated white people who used to voting reliably Republican as a group -- are turning against him as he begins to scare people with his bigotry and calls just underneath the surface for violence and revenge.

Donald Trump may not be a directly evil person in the sense that one considers  Ted Bundy, Al Capone, Ken Lay, or Saddam Hussein evil, but he has unleashed a destructive whirlwind. In that he falls short of a responsibility that one expects of competent adults that we expect in leaders.

The intelligent people (if one uses education as a proxy for intelligence, as nobody polls politics against IQ, the usual measure of intelligence) -- even white educated people who used to vote reliably Republican -- show signs of rejecting Donald Trump. White educated people are now voting their cultural values, and educated white people have more in common with educated Asians, Hispanics, and blacks in culture than they have with under-educated white people.

Intelligent people do not like violence. Republicans used to refrain from calling for violence against political opponents. Donald Trump has broken that barrier, and he stands to lose in a landslide in part for that. Political violence is uttersly un-American, which may explain why the KKK has a hard time in America.

(08-12-2016, 08:51 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(08-12-2016, 12:02 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Intelligent people do not like violence. Republicans used to refrain from calling for violence against political opponents. Donald Trump has broken that barrier, and he stands to lose in a landslide in part for that. Political violence is uttersly un-American, which may explain why the KKK has a hard time in America.

Hmm...  The current mood of much the country is opposed to Political violence.  After the Oklahoma City bombing and after September 11th, the Republicans and Democrats came together to sell the notion that violence cannot be allowed to change the Establishment.  Or...  The Establishment tried to sell that violence should not be used against the Establishment.  The People bought it.

But that's against our establishment.  Violence against Bin Ladin and Saddam Hussain is and remains completely OK.

This was not always the case.  When the country was much younger, when the Right to Keep and Bear Arms was new, glorious and exciting thing, Americans were more inclined to use force to spread their political system and culture.  The Revolution, Civil War, Indian Wars, Mexican War, Spanish American War, etc, etc, etc, reflect the early feeling of Manifest Destiny.  Ask Cynic Hero about that time.  He'll tell you all about it with enthusiasm.  War was often cost effective in those days, at least for the winner.

For the most part you're right, we only glorify violence in our entertainment, but Trump seems to be playing to rural folk who are really angry.  He is playing with fire, but I am inclined to believe he will turn off more people with that sort of talk than he will draw to him.

(08-13-2016, 02:17 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Intelligent people do not welcome violence. However, intelligent people are able to accept and deal with violence once violence becomes a regular thing associated with American politics. BTW, I don't use education as a proxy for intelligence. I'm not that foolish. BTW, I'm not foolish enough to tie my boat to a ship full of clueless idiots with college degrees with a cargo hold that's filled to max with social charity cases.

(08-13-2016, 02:32 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Trump is playing to working class folks who are really angry with the Democrats and the policies that they obviously support. What does your party become once it has lost its place with the vast majority of American workers? I see the obvious signs of a banana republic. Good luck with that as we enter the crisis era.

(08-13-2016, 02:17 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Intelligent people do not welcome violence. However, intelligent people are able to accept and deal with violence once violence becomes a regular thing associated with American politics. BTW, I don't use education as a proxy for intelligence. I'm not that foolish. BTW, I'm not foolish enough to tie my boat to a ship full of clueless idiots with college degrees with a cargo hold that's filled to max with social charity cases.

(08-14-2016, 10:35 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: I want to be around problem solvers. People effective at problem solving are generally intelligent.

(08-13-2016, 11:32 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(08-13-2016, 02:17 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Intelligent people do not welcome violence. However, intelligent people are able to accept and deal with violence once violence becomes a regular thing associated with American politics. BTW, I don't use education as a proxy for intelligence. I'm not that foolish. BTW, I'm not foolish enough to tie my boat to a ship full of clueless idiots with college degrees with a cargo hold that's filled to max with social charity cases.

Charity begins at home. Social programs protect everyone, and regular folks need the protections liberal government provides against the bosses who exploit and fire them or not hire them in the first place. And from Donald Trump and his ilk, who want to fire them. Who made "you're fired" a famous phrase? It's no accident. That's what The Donald and his kind do to us.