(09-21-2016, 05:26 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(09-21-2016, 03:54 PM)playwrite Wrote: - at a minimum, this election is over; a real possibility that The Donald might go to jail

I've had the unpleasant experience in working the finances of such a foundation; it's complicated but it's not THAT complicated.  It's either a con or somebody is really really stupid.

That doesn't feel right, somehow.  A Robber Baron?  Caught red handed at white collar crime?  Being....  punished?

I think this is an example of someone with partisan blue thinking being totally disconnected from reality.  

Quote:WHERE DID Donald Trump get the harebrained idea that he will get Mexico to pay for a new border wall? Or his boast that he will make Arab states pay for refugee safe zones in Syria? Perhaps from the success he has had sleazily diverting money other people had donated to charity into paying off his business obligations.
“It’s called OPM. I do that all the time in business. It’s called other people’s money,” Mr. Trump said Tuesday. “There’s nothing like doing things with other people’s money.”
One of the things he did with other people’s money, according to revelations painstakingly uncovered by The Post’s David A. Fahrenthold, was fund his namesake charity, from which donations appeared to come from him. Mr. Trump then used some of that funding to pay off business liabilities. In one instance, he settled a dispute with the town of Palm Beach, Fla., over $120,000 in unpaid fines by promising to donate $100,000 to a veterans group. Instead of donating personal funds, he transferred some money — OPM — from his charitable foundation. Similarly, the GOP nominee used other people’s charitable giving to settle a dispute over a hole-in-one tournament held at the Trump National Golf Club in New York. At the time, his foundation was mostly funded by a big donation from pro-wrestling magnates Vince and Linda McMahon.
These revelations come on top of findings that Mr. Trump and his wife used foundation money to win items at charitable auctions, such as a helmet signed by quarterback Tim Tebow and not one but two paintings of Mr. Trump.
It is likely that this sort of behavior is illegal, because charities are not supposed to engage in “self-dealing” — activities that directly benefit the bottom lines of those running them. But even if Mr. Trump’s approach to “philanthropy” is not technically illegal, it is still slimy and shameless. Sometimes charities associated with wealthy families or businesses tiptoe near ethical lines — but charity experts say Mr. Trump’s activity appears to be brazen.

“Brazen” also describes the Trump campaign’s response to The Post’s reporting. As the revelations have mounted, Trump spokesmen have accused The Post of “badgering” them and said that Mr. Fahrenthold is “biased” and “a little obsessed.” Though the campaign insisted that The Post’s reporting “is peppered with inaccuracies and omissions,” it pointed to none and has offered no evidence telling a different story.
In fact, Mr. Trump has a secret trove of documents that could help to clarify how much he has really given to charity in recent years, what his business dealings look like and potential conflicts of interest should he be elected president. These documents are his tax returns, which he still refuses to reveal, bucking decades of precedent. Mr. Trump is the least transparent major-party presidential nominee in recent memory — and the one who Americans have the most reason to fear is hiding something.

(09-22-2016, 12:51 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(09-22-2016, 12:45 PM)playwrite Wrote:

(09-21-2016, 05:26 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(09-21-2016, 03:54 PM)playwrite Wrote: - at a minimum, this election is over; a real possibility that The Donald might go to jail

I've had the unpleasant experience in working the finances of such a foundation; it's complicated but it's not THAT complicated.  It's either a con or somebody is really really stupid.

That doesn't feel right, somehow.  A Robber Baron?  Caught red handed at white collar crime?  Being....  punished?

I think this is an example of someone with partisan blue thinking being totally disconnected from reality.  

Perhaps, but nearly every major newspaper is picking up on this -

Trump’s slimy, shameless approach to philanthropy

Quote:WHERE DID Donald Trump get the harebrained idea that he will get Mexico to pay for a new border wall? Or his boast that he will make Arab states pay for refugee safe zones in Syria? Perhaps from the success he has had sleazily diverting money other people had donated to charity into paying off his business obligations.
“It’s called OPM. I do that all the time in business. It’s called other people’s money,” Mr. Trump said Tuesday. “There’s nothing like doing things with other people’s money.”
One of the things he did with other people’s money, according to revelations painstakingly uncovered by The Post’s David A. Fahrenthold, was fund his namesake charity, from which donations appeared to come from him. Mr. Trump then used some of that funding to pay off business liabilities. In one instance, he settled a dispute with the town of Palm Beach, Fla., over $120,000 in unpaid fines by promising to donate $100,000 to a veterans group. Instead of donating personal funds, he transferred some money — OPM — from his charitable foundation. Similarly, the GOP nominee used other people’s charitable giving to settle a dispute over a hole-in-one tournament held at the Trump National Golf Club in New York. At the time, his foundation was mostly funded by a big donation from pro-wrestling magnates Vince and Linda McMahon.
These revelations come on top of findings that Mr. Trump and his wife used foundation money to win items at charitable auctions, such as a helmet signed by quarterback Tim Tebow and not one but two paintings of Mr. Trump.
It is likely that this sort of behavior is illegal, because charities are not supposed to engage in “self-dealing” — activities that directly benefit the bottom lines of those running them. But even if Mr. Trump’s approach to “philanthropy” is not technically illegal, it is still slimy and shameless. Sometimes charities associated with wealthy families or businesses tiptoe near ethical lines — but charity experts say Mr. Trump’s activity appears to be brazen.

“Brazen” also describes the Trump campaign’s response to The Post’s reporting. As the revelations have mounted, Trump spokesmen have accused The Post of “badgering” them and said that Mr. Fahrenthold is “biased” and “a little obsessed.” Though the campaign insisted that The Post’s reporting “is peppered with inaccuracies and omissions,” it pointed to none and has offered no evidence telling a different story.
In fact, Mr. Trump has a secret trove of documents that could help to clarify how much he has really given to charity in recent years, what his business dealings look like and potential conflicts of interest should he be elected president. These documents are his tax returns, which he still refuses to reveal, bucking decades of precedent. Mr. Trump is the least transparent major-party presidential nominee in recent memory — and the one who Americans have the most reason to fear is hiding something.

The contrast to the Clinton Foundation, that has literally saved 100s of thousands of lives and not a nickle has gone to Bill or Hillary, is beyond words.

At a minimum, this should put a damper on any horseshXT from The Donald (or the moderator) at the debate concerning the Clinton Foundation.

This guy is trash, and that is exactly who he appeals to.

Drumpf - No-class, gold-plated scum.

(09-21-2016, 06:50 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: In some ways, even worse than Drumpf with the Nuclear Football would be Drumpf ceasing, as promised, strong deterrence against Russia, PRC, DPRK, Iran, et al. That would be a sure way to invite the start of WW3.

(09-23-2016, 05:42 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: At the least Tim Tebow has some principles. He simply did not live up to expectations as a quarterback.

(09-29-2016, 01:58 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(09-29-2016, 02:53 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(09-29-2016, 01:58 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

Gender isn't a factor.  If Trump had been cheated on, he wouldn't have made it through the primary.

Quote:The “Star Trek” universe has united in a bid to defeat Donald Trump.

More than 100 past and present cast and crew members from the hit TV shows and movies have come together under the “Trek Against Trump” banner to try to stop the GOP nominee from taking office.

George Takei, Zoe Saldana, J.J. Abrams and Wil Wheaton are among those who called Trump “an amateur with a contemptuous ignorance of national laws and international realities” in a blistering Facebook post on Thursday.

Quote:Read the full statement here:

[/url]Star Trek has always offered a positive vision of the future, a vision of hope and optimism, and most importantly, a vision of inclusion, where people of all races are accorded equal respect and dignity, where individual beliefs and lifestyles are respected so long as they pose no threat to others. We cannot turn our backs on what is happening in the upcoming election. Never has there been a presidential candidate who stands in such complete opposition to the ideals of the Star Trek universe as Donald Trump. His election would take this country backward, perhaps disastrously. We need to elect a president who will move this country forward into the kind of future we all dream of: where personal differences are understood and accepted, where science overrules superstition, where people work together instead of against each other.
The resolution of conflicts on Star Trek was never easy. Don’t remain aloof –vote! We have heard people say they will vote Green or Libertarian or not at all because the two major candidates are equally flawed. That is both illogical and inaccurate. Either Secretary Clinton or Mr. Trump will occupy the White House. One is an amateur with a contemptuous ignorance of national laws and international realities, while the other has devoted her life to public service, and has deep and valuable experience with the proven ability to work with Congress to pass desperately needed legislation. If, as some say, the government is broken, a protest vote will not fix it.

Have you just turned 18? Have you moved? Have you never voted before? Some states have early registration (early October) and/or absentee ballots. You can’t vote if you are not registered. So make it so.

Go to https://www.rockthevote.com , a non-profit, non-partisan organization, and fulfill your civic duty. Because, damn it, you are a citizen of the USA, with an obligation to take part in our democracy! Do this not merely for yourself but for all the generations that follow. Vote for a future of enlightenment and inclusion, a future that will someday lead us to the stars.

Endorsed by:
J.J. Abrams
Allan Apone
Richard Arnold
René Auberjonois
Scott Bakula
Ira Steven Behr
Rick Berman
John Billingsley
Christopher Black
Paula Block
Paul Boehmer
André Bormanis
Brannon Braga
Mark Robert Brown
LeVar Burton
Terri Potts-Chattaway
John Cho
Tracee Cocco
George Colucci
Mimi Cozzens
Denise Crosby
Dan Curry
Joseph D'Agosta
Peter David
Nicole de Boer
Keith R.A. DeCandido
John de Lancie
Jonathan Del Arco
John DeMita
Chris Doohan
Paul Eiding
Aron Eisenberg
Terry Erdmann
Terry Farrell
Lolita Fatjo
David C. Fein
Juan Carlos Fernandez
Louise Fletcher
Jonathan Frakes
Bryan Fuller
Dave Galanter
Tim Gaskill
David Gerrold
Robert Greenberger
Bruce Greenwood
Max Grodénchik
Martha Hackett
Glenn Hauman
Manu Intiraymi
Michael Jan Friedman
Dominic Keating
John Knoll
Walter Koenig
Alex Kurtzman
Judith Levitt
Jeff Lewis
Justin Lin
David Mack
Dennis Madalone
Chase Masterson
Dakin Matthews
Gates McFadden
Robert Duncan McNeill
Nicholas Meyer
Anthony Montgomery
Ronald B. Moore
Tom Morga
Kate Mulgrew
Larry Nemecek
Adam Nimoy
Susan Nimoy
Robert O'Reilly
Linda Park
Leslie Parrish
Robb Pearlman
Simon Pegg
Randy Pflug
Ethan Phillips
Robert Picardo
Sandra Piller
Chris Pine
Emmett Plant
Zachary Quinto
Michael Reisz
Andrew Robinson
Eugene & Heidi Roddenberry
Marvin Rush
Tim Russ
Zoe Saldana
Ralph Senensky
Naren Shankar
Armin Shimerman
Gregory Smith
Brent Spiner
Rick Sternbach
Peter Sternlicht
Eric Stillwell
Jay Stobie
Sandy Stone
Carel Struycken
Marina Sirtis
Michael Sussman
Kitty Swink
George Takei
Michael Taylor
Hallie Todd Withrow
Connor Trinneer
Karl Urban
Wil Wheaton
Herman Zimmerman

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They also urged voters to elect Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton on Nov. 8.
“We cannot turn our backs on what is happening in the upcoming election,” they wrote. “Never has there been a presidential candidate who stands in such complete opposition to the ideals of the ‘Star Trek’ universe as Donald Trump.”

The group warned that electing Trump could take the country disastrously backward, and said it was imperative to have a president “who will move this country forward into the kind of future we all dream of.”

Casting a protest vote against the two major-party candidates isn’t an option, they argued ― before adding that Clinton has “a deep and valuable experience with the proven ability to work with Congress to pass desperately needed legislation.”