(11-09-2016, 08:10 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 08:05 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 07:52 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 07:23 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Oh, by the way -- I expect America to become a grimmer, drearier, and more joyless place for those not already rich. That is how plutocracy works.

So basically nothing will change.

Not quite. It will accelerate.

I expect the Republican Party and the economic elites behind it to do everything possible to maintain power and leave any ideological alternative, including a humanistic liberalism, blocked out of relevance indefinitely.

In the end the pathology makes a socialist insurrection possible in the event of a crop failure  (like global warming that isn't happening), an economic meltdown, or a war for profits going badly

One Yuge problem with that theory bro.  The GOP elites hate Trump and Trump's base.  They will be absorbed by the Democrats most likely because the party's have switched coats again.  I would have thought you'd have noticed that she sounded like the Goldwater girl she always was and he sounds like a Jack Kennedy Democrat.

(11-09-2016, 08:18 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Trump would combine Hitler and Lincoln in the same sentence if he could get away with it.

Donald Trump will quickly turn upon the 'deplorable' people that voted him. He no longer needs them. He will suck up to the 'Establishment' types who have money and media that the common man do not have. After all it is easier to force low wages and brutal management upon working people than it is to deliver those wages.

It never fails. The GOP elites are loyal only to lucre.

(11-09-2016, 07:18 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 01:26 PM)radind Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 01:16 PM)taramarie Wrote: Guys, the world is not laughing. The world is disgusted and terrified. There is nothing to laugh at here.

A little patience. In my view the USA will be better without Clinton.
I expect Trump to be better than many anticipate.

He will 'not be that bad' because he won't be able to get away with some of his campaign rhetoric. Much of America fears Donald Trump, and such fears as many have will not be implemented.

In the event of a really nasty meltdown of the economy, many illegal aliens will self-deport. This will be far more effective than any deportation force.

I expect a Trump Administration to be a worker's nightmare as the Reactionary Party will finally get to pass a nationwide Right to Work law that will eviscerate unions. Workplace safety will deteriorate severely, with more people dying or being crippled on the job. It will also be a bane of those with environmental concerns, as he will almost certainly be the best possible friend of polluters.

I see him as very much a divider, largely because he will force liberals and Democrats into irrelevance for at least his first term.

I predict that the gains of minorities in economic results will stall, with many young adults finding no roles for them. I predict that we will have riots at least as bad as those of the '60s -- and Donald Trump and Republican governors  will over-react.

Can one lead by ensuring that 45% of the electorate can remain permanently irrelevant? Maybe . If so, then America will steadily degenerate. In some places on the periphery, liberals will seek independence... and get it. But that suggests a Yugoslav-style breakup, something very possible in a 4T. It would take only a few years for a large state like California to secede from America.

(11-09-2016, 08:26 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 08:18 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Trump would combine Hitler and Lincoln in the same sentence if he could get away with it.

Donald Trump will quickly turn upon the 'deplorable' people that voted him. He no longer needs them. He will suck up to the 'Establishment' types who have money and media that the common man do not have. After all it is easier to force low wages and brutal management upon working people than it is to deliver those wages.

It never fails. The GOP elites are loyal only to lucre.

Do you actually think about the things you write before you write them?

1.  Combining Lincoln with Hitler is easy.  I imagine both liked mashed potatoes.  As do I.  Am I Hitler?  No.  Am I Lincoln?  No.  But of the two he's far closer to Lincoln than Hitler.

2.  Trump doesn't need their money.  He didn't take it to win office, and he doesn't need it now.  The man is disgustingly rich.  What are they going to offer him?  He already has everything a man could possibly want.

3.  Limiting the supply of labor by enforcing immigration laws and protecting native industry will raise wages and aid in labor organization, not the reverse.  If anything his plan is actually against his own class interests.  We had an other president who was a traitor to his class, I bet you think the sun shines out of his crippled ass.

4.  Who says the GOP elites are going to stay in the GOP.  The elites go to which ever party represents their interests.  They could care less if the mascot is an elephant or a donkey.

The fact is that I posted many ages ago on this forum, and on the old one that I thought that Trump was the GC, assuming the GC must be a political leader.  The fact is that history has already vindicated my position and is vindicating my position.  The Republic was saved on 8th November 2016.

(11-09-2016, 05:42 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 05:22 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 04:54 PM)Danilynn Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 01:56 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 01:26 PM)radind Wrote: [quote='taramarie' pid='11830' dateline='1478715407']
Guys, the world is not laughing. The world is disgusted and terrified. There is nothing to laugh at here.

A little patience. In my view the USA will be better without Clinton.
I expect Trump to be better than many anticipate.

Stuff either of them. I wanted Bernie.

-- me too honey, me too

Quote:Really isn't about what you wanted, considering you aren't even an American or legal to vote here. It is NOT a global government system. No other country gets a say in our electorate process.

You really have ot been paying attention to my posts have you? I said the same about Russia trying to push for Trump. But I do get to have an opinion about who I wish was the president. It does not affect who actually gets in.

-- unfortunately the DNC screwed Bernie over.  Now we're all paying for it. karma's a bitch

That said, the Donald is against the TPP, he is not picking a fight with Russia & he wants us out of the Middle East. He sez he'll get rid of obummercrap, but l'll settle for him making it optional. I didn't vote for his ass but l can stomach it for the next 4 yrs. (Hopefully Congress will flip in 2018 & it will only be 2yrs. ) little Marco or big Ted, not so much. Those 2 creeps will not be running in 2020 (assuming the Donald wants a 2nd term) so hopefully their presidential aspirations will be crushed for good. Hopefully gbe Dems will get serious in 2020. They were obviously playing this yr or they'd of run Bernie

(11-09-2016, 08:52 PM)playwrite Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 08:26 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 08:18 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Trump would combine Hitler and Lincoln in the same sentence if he could get away with it.

Donald Trump will quickly turn upon the 'deplorable' people that voted him. He no longer needs them. He will suck up to the 'Establishment' types who have money and media that the common man do not have. After all it is easier to force low wages and brutal management upon working people than it is to deliver those wages.

It never fails. The GOP elites are loyal only to lucre.

Do you actually think about the things you write before you write them?

1.  Combining Lincoln with Hitler is easy.  I imagine both liked mashed potatoes.  As do I.  Am I Hitler?  No.  Am I Lincoln?  No.  But of the two he's far closer to Lincoln than Hitler.

2.  Trump doesn't need their money.  He didn't take it to win office, and he doesn't need it now.  The man is disgustingly rich.  What are they going to offer him?  He already has everything a man could possibly want.

3.  Limiting the supply of labor by enforcing immigration laws and protecting native industry will raise wages and aid in labor organization, not the reverse.  If anything his plan is actually against his own class interests.  We had an other president who was a traitor to his class, I bet you think the sun shines out of his crippled ass.

4.  Who says the GOP elites are going to stay in the GOP.  The elites go to which ever party represents their interests.  They could care less if the mascot is an elephant or a donkey.

The fact is that I posted many ages ago on this forum, and on the old one that I thought that Trump was the GC, assuming the GC must be a political leader.  The fact is that history has already vindicated my position and is vindicating my position.  The Republic was saved on 8th November 2016.

KInser, you're still working awful hard to try to make yourself look smart.  It's not working.

Quote:Yours wasn't a prediction; it was a desperate hope.

Quote:Trump isn't about money per se.  He's about domination.  Take Bill Gates and Warren Buffet together and they come no where near the power and capacity to dominate this world as the POTUS.  He literally will have in his power to end all sentiment life on this planet in a manner of moments.  If you think Trump is free to do good, however you want to define that, because he's rich and doesn't have to abide to any one for money, you are probable one of the most clueless people on this forum.

Quote:If we survive this, the GC will be the one that takes away the awesome power that you morons handed over to the orange anus clown.

(11-09-2016, 08:52 PM)playwrite Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 08:26 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 08:18 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Trump would combine Hitler and Lincoln in the same sentence if he could get away with it.

Donald Trump will quickly turn upon the 'deplorable' people that voted him. He no longer needs them. He will suck up to the 'Establishment' types who have money and media that the common man do not have. After all it is easier to force low wages and brutal management upon working people than it is to deliver those wages.

It never fails. The GOP elites are loyal only to lucre.

Do you actually think about the things you write before you write them?

1.  Combining Lincoln with Hitler is easy.  I imagine both liked mashed potatoes.  As do I.  Am I Hitler?  No.  Am I Lincoln?  No.  But of the two he's far closer to Lincoln than Hitler.

2.  Trump doesn't need their money.  He didn't take it to win office, and he doesn't need it now.  The man is disgustingly rich.  What are they going to offer him?  He already has everything a man could possibly want.

3.  Limiting the supply of labor by enforcing immigration laws and protecting native industry will raise wages and aid in labor organization, not the reverse.  If anything his plan is actually against his own class interests.  We had an other president who was a traitor to his class, I bet you think the sun shines out of his crippled ass.

4.  Who says the GOP elites are going to stay in the GOP.  The elites go to which ever party represents their interests.  They could care less if the mascot is an elephant or a donkey.

The fact is that I posted many ages ago on this forum, and on the old one that I thought that Trump was the GC, assuming the GC must be a political leader.  The fact is that history has already vindicated my position and is vindicating my position.  The Republic was saved on 8th November 2016.

KInser, you're still working awful hard to try to make yourself look smart.  It's not working.

Yours wasn't a prediction; it was a desperate hope.

Trump isn't about money per se.  He's about domination.  Take Bill Gates and Warren Buffet together and they come no where near the power and capacity to dominate this world as the POTUS.  He literally will have in his power to end all sentiment life on this planet in a manner of moments.  If you think Trump is free to do good, however you want to define that, because he's rich and doesn't have to abide to any one for money, you are probable one of the most clueless people on this forum.

Quote:If we survive this, the GC will be the one that takes away the awesome power that you morons handed over to the orange anus clown.

(11-09-2016, 09:17 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 08:11 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 07:57 PM)Danilynn Wrote: Nah that music was fitting in 2012. Today we need ragtime jazz or swing.

It depends upon your politics. Please!

Can you really excuse a crotch-grabbing rake? A businessman who stiffs subcontractors? Someone who dredges gutter racism that most of us thought outmoded?

Donald Trump is three things that history shows can destroy democracy -- a demagogue, a sociopath, and a kleptocrat. One is enough, and even Hitler was only two of the three. Trump is all three.

All in all, I now wish that Mitt Romney had won in 2012. We would thus be spared the four-year nightmare that  we now face. I wish that I could emigrate today.

To the Trump voter it does not matter. Trump touted (or purported to tout) the virtues of the "real American" (meaning, anti-intellectual, Anglo-Saxon traditionalist or, those from other backgrounds who normed to that). To be clear, I have railed against intellectuals at times - read Paul Johnson's "Intellectuals" for that reference point. Nonetheless, to reject intellectualism outright is dumb, and makes us all weaker in sum total. So, I will fight for the intellectual, just like I will for the lower educated worker and anyone in between. In any case, not only did he tout the anti-intellectual "real American," he also slimed the "uppity" urbane, slightly bitchy, moderne woman of power. (Bear with me, I'm working some archetypes here). Clinton fit the bill. He also sliimed the dapper, well educated, half American half Kenyan sophisticate. "Where's the birth certificate?" Vile stereotypes resonate with the masses of angry, overworked, downscaled, especially if they hail in some fashion from the Anglo-Saxon traditionalist or Northern variant, the formerly well paid white "ethnic" (e.g. 58 Flat's "hardhats"). "Wow, a politician who talks like me and my buds getting drunk! Speaking truth to power! YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!"

(11-09-2016, 09:18 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Oh I think he qualified for that distinction quite some time ago.

Quote:That would be correct.

(11-09-2016, 09:22 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 08:36 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Well brower is right of course, but I was wrong in my prediction (non-astrological) from the early years of the forum, that HRC would be the gray champion. That dream is over. Now we get a nightmare.

We're not ready for the grey champion. We are not beat down enough yet. After some thermonuclear wafare, I predict many will be ready.

(11-09-2016, 08:10 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 08:05 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 07:52 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 07:23 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Oh, by the way -- I expect America to become a grimmer, drearier, and more joyless place for those not already rich. That is how plutocracy works.

So basically nothing will change.

Not quite. It will accelerate.

I expect the Republican Party and the economic elites behind it to do everything possible to maintain power and leave any ideological alternative, including a humanistic liberalism, blocked out of relevance indefinitely.

In the end the pathology makes a socialist insurrection possible in the event of a crop failure  (like global warming that isn't happening), an economic meltdown, or a war for profits going badly

One Yuge problem with that theory bro.  The GOP elites hate Trump and Trump's base.  They will be absorbed by the Democrats most likely because the party's have switched coats again.  I would have thought you'd have noticed that she sounded like the Goldwater girl she always was and he sounds like a Jack Kennedy Democrat.

(11-09-2016, 09:38 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 08:10 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 08:05 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 07:52 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 07:23 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Oh, by the way -- I expect America to become a grimmer, drearier, and more joyless place for those not already rich. That is how plutocracy works.

So basically nothing will change.

Not quite. It will accelerate.

I expect the Republican Party and the economic elites behind it to do everything possible to maintain power and leave any ideological alternative, including a humanistic liberalism, blocked out of relevance indefinitely.

In the end the pathology makes a socialist insurrection possible in the event of a crop failure  (like global warming that isn't happening), an economic meltdown, or a war for profits going badly

One Yuge problem with that theory bro.  The GOP elites hate Trump and Trump's base.  They will be absorbed by the Democrats most likely because the party's have switched coats again.  I would have thought you'd have noticed that she sounded like the Goldwater girl she always was and he sounds like a Jack Kennedy Democrat.

-- b4 the Donald ran 4 prez he was a Dem

(11-10-2016, 02:13 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Protests are springing up, the "beginning of the anti-Trump resistance." For some of them, once he's in office, a penal term may be what they literally face.

(11-09-2016, 09:38 PM)Marypoza Wrote: -- b4 the Donald ran 4 prez he was a Dem

(11-10-2016, 01:04 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: More specifically -- the Republican Party needs the votes, It will never get  them from humanistic liberals unless the Democrats nominate someone as cranky as Trump.

Donald Trump will quickly go to the orthodox part of the Republican party upon inauguration. He will not be seeking votes until 2020... so he can betray his erstwhile supporters at will as he does everything that the Corporate wing wants, transforming America into a pure plutocracy that entrenches power  forever and ensures that liberals will be forever irrelevant in American political life.

Expect this horrible man to include hypocrisy and betrayal among his repertory of evil. He no more cares about the common man than he cares about a sea anemone.  He might as well say "Suffer for my greed, peons!" after he is inaugurated.

2018 should be a slam-dunk tor Republicans with the likeli9hood of picking up a couple of Senate seats and maybe some House seats due to low turnout by people who have largely lost faith in the American political process.

I have no faith in 2020. Democracy in America that depends upon a contest of ideas could be dead that year and afterward. From then on we might as well be a single-party dictatorship until the dissolution of the USA, most likely in World War III.

(11-09-2016, 08:36 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Well brower is right of course, but I was wrong in my prediction (non-astrological) from the early years of the forum, that HRC would be the gray champion. That dream is over. Now we get a nightmare.

(11-09-2016, 09:17 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 08:11 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(11-09-2016, 07:57 PM)Danilynn Wrote: Nah that music was fitting in 2012. Today we need ragtime jazz or swing.

It depends upon your politics. Please!

Can you really excuse a crotch-grabbing rake? A businessman who stiffs subcontractors? Someone who dredges gutter racism that most of us thought outmoded?

Donald Trump is three things that history shows can destroy democracy -- a demagogue, a sociopath, and a kleptocrat. One is enough, and even Hitler was only two of the three. Trump is all three.

All in all, I now wish that Mitt Romney had won in 2012. We would thus be spared the four-year nightmare that  we now face. I wish that I could emigrate today.

To the Trump voter it does not matter. Trump touted (or purported to tout) the virtues of the "real American" (meaning, anti-intellectual, Anglo-Saxon traditionalist or, those from other backgrounds who normed to that). To be clear, I have railed against intellectuals at times - read Paul Johnson's "Intellectuals" for that reference point. Nonetheless, to reject intellectualism outright is dumb, and makes us all weaker in sum total. So, I will fight for the intellectual, just like I will for the lower educated worker and anyone in between. In any case, not only did he tout the anti-intellectual "real American," he also slimed the "uppity" urbane, slightly bitchy, moderne woman of power. (Bear with me, I'm working some archetypes here). Clinton fit the bill. He also sliimed the dapper, well educated, half American half Kenyan sophisticate. "Where's the birth certificate?" Vile stereotypes resonate with the masses of angry, overworked, downscaled, especially if they hail in some fashion from the Anglo-Saxon traditionalist or Northern variant, the formerly well paid white "ethnic" (e.g. 58 Flat's "hardhats"). "Wow, a politician who talks like me and my buds getting drunk! Speaking truth to power! YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!"

Any questions?

(11-09-2016, 09:16 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Yes, and the Establishment also backed John Quincy Adams too.  Trump is a man cut from Old Hickory's cloth, like in the age of Jackson men will be proud one day in the future to say they were born in the Age of Trump.

But by all means continue with your projecting and pseudo-intellectualism.