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Moral vignette test - Captain Genet - 02-26-2021
Has anybody tried it?
Moral Vignettes Test (idrlabs.com)
My result is:
![[Image: moral-vignettes?2&p=42,63,33,67,54,67,63...rlabs.com)]](https://charts.idrlabs.com/graphic/moral-vignettes?2&p=42,63,33,67,54,67,63,46,46,63&l=EN]moral-vignettes (732×600) (idrlabs.com))
I identify as a centre-right cosmopolitan, and I don't think I'm as traditional as the chart says. Some other people have complained about it too.
RE: Moral vignette test - David Horn - 02-26-2021
(02-26-2021, 03:49 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: Has anybody tried it?
Moral Vignettes Test (idrlabs.com)
My result is:
I identify as a centre-right cosmopolitan, and I don't think I'm as traditional as the chart says. Some other people have complained about it too.
Needless to say, mine is dramatically different -- and close to my beliefs.
"Your strongest values are Nurture and Lifestyle Liberty. Your morality was the closest to that of a socialist."
![[Image: moral-vignettes?2&p=63,96,42,58,58,67,71,75,79,29&l=EN]](https://charts.idrlabs.com/graphic/moral-vignettes?2&p=63,96,42,58,58,67,71,75,79,29&l=EN)
RE: Moral vignette test - pbrower2a - 02-26-2021
![[Image: moral-vignettes?2&p=71,75,13,87,75,75,88,79,42,29&l=EN]](https://www.idrlabs.com/graphic/moral-vignettes?2&p=71,75,13,87,75,75,88,79,42,29&l=EN)
Your strongest values are Sanctity-Tradition and Fairness-Proportionality.
Your morality was the closest to that of a conservative.
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Explanation of Foundations:
Nurture: Preventing the suffering of others, caring for the defenseless, and showing compassion for the weak by nurturing and caring for them.
Fairness-Equality: Honoring cooperation and fellow-feeling by preventing or minimizing situations that would lead to unequal outcomes.
Fairness-Proportionality: Honoring individualism and meritocracy by letting those who are hard-working, competent, or lucky reap the rewards of their actions.
Loyalty: Honoring the obligations of group membership, being willing to sacrifice for the in-group, and being vigilant against betrayal from the out-group.
Authority: Preserving the social order by honoring the obligations of hierarchical relationships by way of obedience, respect, and the fulfillment of role-based duties.
Sanctity-Tradition: Maintaining the sanctity of traditional values, respecting the taboos of religion, and avoiding bacteria and contagion.
Sanctity-Nature: Maintaining the purity of nature and the environment, seeing nature as sacred and mankind’s influence as corruptive.
Lifestyle Liberty: Honoring the individual's independence and autonomy by allowing each person to determine the course of their own life.
Economic Liberty: Honoring the individual's diligence and initiative by allowing each person to be free of coercion in the economic sphere.
Property: Showing respect for ownership and possession by preventing theft, harm, trespassing, and vandalism to the property of others.
RE: Moral vignette test - Captain Genet - 02-27-2021
(02-26-2021, 02:05 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Sanctity-Tradition: Maintaining the sanctity of traditional values, respecting the taboos of religion, and avoiding bacteria and contagion.
This is really a misnomer. Maintaining traditions like Melanesian ritual pederasty, Chinese foot binding or Islamic genital mutilation is stupid.
Jonathan Haidt described this factor much better:
Purity/sanctity, shaped by the psychology of disgust and contamination. This foundation underlies religious notions of striving to live in an elevated, less carnal, more noble way. It underlies the widespread idea that the body is a temple which can be desecrated by immoral activities and contaminants (an idea not unique to religious traditions).
I do feel strong dislike for contamination, but I'm not a traditionalist.
RE: Moral vignette test - Eric the Green - 03-01-2021
Is this test based on terms invented and described by Jonathon Haidt? Seeing the word "sanctity" immediately calls him to mind.
Captain Genet wrote, "I do feel strong dislike for contamination, but I'm not a traditionalist."
If you are center-right, isn't that pretty traditionalist? Not to those extremes, but tending toward stability and status quo even though moderately-open to some change, that describes "center-right."
The map does not seem a coherent circle, with polarities, related terms next to its neighbors, etc.
My result: Your strongest values are Lifestyle Liberty and Sanctity-Nature. Your morality was the closest to that of a socialist. The picture seems to fit me pretty well.
![[Image: moral-vignettes?2&p=46,75,58,42,38,29,38,88,92,21&l=EN]](https://www.idrlabs.com/graphic/moral-vignettes?2&p=46,75,58,42,38,29,38,88,92,21&l=EN)
RE: Moral vignette test - Captain Genet - 03-02-2021
(03-01-2021, 08:44 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: If you are center-right, isn't that pretty traditionalist? Not to those extremes, but tending toward stability and status quo even though moderately-open to some change, that describes "center-right."IMO traditionalism means religion, ethnocentrism and no diversity of food styles, fashion, architecture, etc. If cultural stability is based on rational thinking, I don't call it traditionalism. I am open to some change if it is constructive. Change for change's sake isn't a good thing. And some changes you promote, like legalizing drugs, isn't actually progressive but going back to the era of magicians and shamans.
Though unless you came up with your worldview totally alone, you are a traditionalist too. You are a follower of the tradition of Inclusivism, or social freedom as you call it.
Quote:Is this test based on terms invented and described by Jonathon Haidt? Seeing the word "sanctity" immediately calls him to mind.
I think it's a derivation of Haidt's original system, which had 5 moral foundations.
RE: Moral vignette test - Eric the Green - 03-02-2021
(03-02-2021, 04:07 AM)Captain Genet Wrote:(03-01-2021, 08:44 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: If you are center-right, isn't that pretty traditionalist? Not to those extremes, but tending toward stability and status quo even though moderately-open to some change, that describes "center-right."IMO traditionalism means religion, ethnocentrism and no diversity of food styles, fashion, architecture, etc. If cultural stability is based on rational thinking, I don't call it traditionalism. I am open to some change if it is constructive. Change for change's sake isn't a good thing. And some changes you promote, like legalizing drugs, isn't actually progressive but going back to the era of magicians and shamans.
Though unless you came up with your worldview totally alone, you are a traditionalist too. You are a follower of the tradition of Inclusivism, or social freedom as you call it.
Quote:Is this test based on terms invented and described by Jonathon Haidt? Seeing the word "sanctity" immediately calls him to mind.
I think it's a derivation of Haidt's original system, which had 5 moral foundations.
Well, Bill Genet the Piper, you are not the pied piper for me
I suppose traditionalism can be defined that way, as well as defined also as upholding the traditional views of preserving the political status quo, as I think. Cultural traditionalism, in other words. Inclusivism fits me fine, but this "tradition" did not really exist much before the romantics came along in modern times since the Revolution, except for maybe among the Anabaptists and Levellers and maybe the early Christians.
Going back to magicians and shamans would be great, if updated; after all, cultural evolution has taken us beyond the oldest traditions in these fields. Shamanism and Magic are eternal practices and abilities, but not visible to many of you born at the opposite point on the cycle from the most-inspired cusp of artist-prophet, and lost within the secular saecular realms of traditional rationalism and tech worship. Today, these magical methods even blend with those of modern science and reason. Legalizing drugs and replacing jails with treatment centers and consciousness-expansion centers would be great, yes, and would handle the problem so much better than your repressive methods.
But, so goes the cycle. We need you guys too.