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Kyrsten Synema (D - Az) brings a cake into the Senate to downvote min. wage hike - Einzige - 03-29-2021





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RE: Kyrsten Synema (D - Az) brings a cake into the Senate to downvote min. wage hike - David Horn - 03-29-2021

After nearly 50 years of neoliberalism, we're finally in the opening round of 'the next thing'. It's looking a lot more progressive, but it's still too early to say.

Political change never happens overnight, unless its a response to an attack or something equally immediate and devastating. Try not kvetching about the baby steps needed to start the journey in earnest.


RE: Kyrsten Synema (D - Az) brings a cake into the Senate to downvote min. wage hike - Anthony '58 - 04-02-2021

Not surprisingly, I agree with Joe Manchin.  Let's go to $11 an hour for now - so long as the minimum wage is thereafter indexed to an "unchained" CPI once the minimum wage does reach that figure.

And the Democrats have only themselves to blame - because of the Culture Wars, which they started - for being forced to compromise on this, and so many other issues.


RE: Kyrsten Synema (D - Az) brings a cake into the Senate to downvote min. wage hike - David Horn - 04-03-2021

(04-02-2021, 12:21 PM)Anthony Wrote: Not surprisingly, I agree with Joe Manchin.  Let's go to $11 an hour for now - so long as the minimum wage is thereafter indexed to an "unchained" CPI once the minimum wage does reach that figure.

And the Democrats have only themselves to blame - because of the Culture Wars, which they started - for being forced to compromise on this, and so many other issues.

$15 is low today and far outdated by the time it finally arrives. $11 is an insult. If the minimum had kept pace since 1973, it would be $20+. I do agree that the laser focus on culture issues has been much of the problem. It seems to be that advancement on trend line A must be offset by stagnation on trend line B.  It’s not right, but it seems to be the case.  And no, I don’t have a solution for that.


RE: Kyrsten Synema (D - Az) brings a cake into the Senate to downvote min. wage hike - pbrower2a - 04-03-2021

(03-29-2021, 11:09 AM)David Horn Wrote: After nearly 50 years of neoliberalism, we're finally in the opening round of 'the next thing'.  It's looking a lot more progressive, but it's still too early to say.

Political change never happens overnight, unless its a response to an attack or something equally immediate and devastating. Try not kvetching about the baby steps needed to start the journey in earnest.

As someone whose almost-entire adult life has been during the neoliberal era according to the Skowronek cycle I am accustomed to seeing short-lived terms of moderation from the rigors of neoliberal economics only for the politics to revert to the neoliberal norm, I almost expect another equivalent of Newt Gingrich's Contract for America or the Tea Party Movement after which the rigors come back anew as the reforms die and e4ventually get overturned. Life as social progress is one step forward and three steps back, and go back enough in political institutions and we might have Jim Crow again in race relations and a reversion to the economic norms of the "New Gilded Age" of the 1920's... or something that resembles the Planet Mongo on Flash Gordon serials. You know how that went: government served only entrenched elites and the only people who mattered were those elites.   

I do not kvetch about the baby steps. It's the three steps back that I almost expect based upon my experiences that I have seen before. America's economic elites are often no better than any economic elites that have ever existed from pharaohs to medieval nobility to slave-owning planters to the Soviet-era nomenklatura. Such people would not remain elites on their own merit except for denying entry to others except as replenishment through birth and ensuring that others get no opportunity other than to be overworked and underpaid while getting vague promises of a better world (quite often pie-in-the-sky-when-you-die) in return for misery with no promise of an expiration date. Economic elites have often failed to recognize any limits on their appetites that  they can partially sate only at the cost of mass misery that includes the denial of opportunity to improve one's lot. 

The generational cycle suggests that we are in a genuine crisis (COVID-19, which has killed on the scale of a shooting war) and that we will come out of it with either very new institutions or a major rededication of those that already exist. It is too early to predict how, but it will all seem obvious and inevitable after the fact. There -- the gangster Axis regimes were doomed from their first aggression due to the brutality inherent in their "New Orders". There. The Confederacy was doomed from the start because people can't eat cotton... and if the slaves flee the plantations, then food shortages start to starve the Confederate Army. There -- King George III couldn't micromanage "the Colonies" that had largely been left to their own devices due to distance and the competence of the politicians and businesspeople therein. 

The end of scarcity is the economic reality underpinning what follows what we now have. Two solutions exist. One is to ensure that most people are obliged to accept whatever terms the economic elites offer, which means that one has no chance of survival except by convincing those elites that one deserves to live in severe poverty in their equivalent of sweatshops, and that those who get nominally-high pay are obliged to pay monopoly prices for everything. This is not a free-market paradise in which people have meaningful chances to start mom-and-pop businesses, for monopoly and vertical integration will prevail, with the economic elites squeezing out what remains of any middle class of home-owners, small-scale farmers, and small businesspeople. Economic inequality will become about as severe as that in countries in which the royal family and close relatives command the proceeds from the extraction of oil or minerals. This would be a feudal order with a high technology of propaganda, surveillance, repression, and numbing mass low culture. If those elites want you to listen to country music and not to classical music, then you will listen to country music and express love for it -- or else. People might still get the vote, but they would vote as their employers direct -- which is fascism. Run afoul of this system, and die after being reminded that you will burn forever in Hell.  

The alternative is something in which people achieve their economic needs  easily and end up with much spare time because they will need to work much less than a 40-hour workweek. Such will be the same whether one lives in New York City or some little town in Mississippi. Social differences will largely reduce to the difference of vocational competence. Physicians will earn far more than will convenience-store clerks, but consider the difference in training and preparation for one as opposed to the other. Status symbols will be meaningless because most of them will be disposable. I can easily imagine a social-market economy appearing in America as a rational response to the distress that so many endure as the result of the neoliberal era which has played out.

It boils down to freedom or fascism. Note well that the Right has learned to use Big Government to its advantage.


RE: Kyrsten Synema (D - Az) brings a cake into the Senate to downvote min. wage hike - Einzige - 04-03-2021

(04-02-2021, 12:21 PM)Anthony Wrote: And the Democrats have only themselves to blame - because of the Culture Wars, which they started 

(A) The Democratic establishment has no desire to actually raise the minimum wage.

(B) That said, the Democrats didn't "start the culture war", you tool. Who was President when Roe v. Wade was decided? Who held the majority of Court appointments then? As for gay rights, guys like Harvey Milk moved against the ossidied ultraconservative Democratic establishment, and justly so.

Amusingly, Synema was elected by making her identity as a bisexual atheist verypublic. She's a trash-tier conservative in absolutely every other respect.

© Joe Manchin is garbage and should be forcefully removed from his seat. Conservadems are the mot vile people in the country.

For the record, Anthony, there is zero taste out there for Ethno-American Catholic Social Jusfice Centrism. Zip. None. It always and everywhere sells out at every available opportunity.


RE: Kyrsten Synema (D - Az) brings a cake into the Senate to downvote min. wage hike - Einzige - 04-03-2021

(04-03-2021, 09:43 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(04-02-2021, 12:21 PM)Anthony Wrote: Not surprisingly, I agree with Joe Manchin.  Let's go to $11 an hour for now - so long as the minimum wage is thereafter indexed to an "unchained" CPI once the minimum wage does reach that figure.

And the Democrats have only themselves to blame - because of the Culture Wars, which they started - for being forced to compromise on this, and so many other issues.

$15 is low today and far outdated by the time it finally arrives. $11 is an insult. If the minimum had kept pace since 1973, it would be $20+. I do agree that the laser focus on culture issues has been much of the problem. It seems to be that advancement on trend line A must be offset by stagnation on trend line B.  It’s not right, but it seems to be the case.  And no, I don’t have a solution for that.

Anthony has a gimmick in which he postures as an Old-School Nor'eastern Ethnic Democrat, a blue-collar Democrat for Nixon, Reagan, Dole, etc., and he'll tell you wot. It's super sleepy.

These guys -





- were not labor heroes. They were class traitors.


RE: Kyrsten Synema (D - Az) brings a cake into the Senate to downvote min. wage hike - David Horn - 04-05-2021

(04-03-2021, 11:29 PM)Einzige Wrote:
(04-03-2021, 09:43 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(04-02-2021, 12:21 PM)Anthony Wrote: Not surprisingly, I agree with Joe Manchin.  Let's go to $11 an hour for now - so long as the minimum wage is thereafter indexed to an "unchained" CPI once the minimum wage does reach that figure.

And the Democrats have only themselves to blame - because of the Culture Wars, which they started - for being forced to compromise on this, and so many other issues.

$15 is low today and far outdated by the time it finally arrives. $11 is an insult. If the minimum had kept pace since 1973, it would be $20+. I do agree that the laser focus on culture issues has been much of the problem. It seems to be that advancement on trend line A must be offset by stagnation on trend line B.  It’s not right, but it seems to be the case.  And no, I don’t have a solution for that.

Anthony has a gimmick in which he postures as an Old-School Nor'eastern Ethnic Democrat, a blue-collar Democrat for Nixon, Reagan, Dole, etc., and he'll tell you wot. It's super sleepy.

These guys -





- were not labor heroes. They were class traitors.

Nothing unusual here -- at least for NYC, where Anthony was born and raised.  Conservative labor activist may seem to be an oxymoron, but the 5 boroughs of New York run the gamut from the neoliberal and wealthy UES of Manhattan to the neoconservative and very blue collar Staten Island.  Antony is decidedly Staten Island.


RE: Kyrsten Synema (D - Az) brings a cake into the Senate to downvote min. wage hike - pbrower2a - 04-05-2021

(04-03-2021, 11:20 PM)Einzige Wrote:
(04-02-2021, 12:21 PM)Anthony Wrote: And the Democrats have only themselves to blame - because of the Culture Wars, which they started 

(A) The Democratic establishment has no desire to actually raise the minimum wage.

(B) That said, the Democrats didn't "start the culture war", you tool. Who was President when Roe v. Wade was decided? Who held the majority of Court appointments then? As for gay rights, guys like Harvey Milk moved against the ossidied ultraconservative Democratic establishment, and justly so.

Amusingly, Synema was elected by making her identity as a bisexual atheist verypublic. She's a trash-tier conservative in absolutely every other respect.

© Joe Manchin is garbage and should be forcefully removed from his seat. Conservadems are the mot vile people in the country.

For the record, Anthony, there is zero taste out there for Ethno-American Catholic Social Jusfice Centrism. Zip. None. It always and everywhere sells out at every available opportunity.

Ruling out fascists (including Nazis, Ku Kluxists, and Ba'athists) Marxist-Leninists, al-Qaeda/ISIS types, and tyrants of pure lunacy... 

the worst in America so far are those who have bought in or sold out to the cult of Ayn Rand, who believe that Humanity rightly exists to suffer to give the super-rich everything that they want lest everything fall apart.  That is much of the GOP, and that is Donald Trump.


RE: Kyrsten Synema (D - Az) brings a cake into the Senate to downvote min. wage hike - Einzige - 04-05-2021

(04-05-2021, 10:02 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:
(04-03-2021, 11:20 PM)Einzige Wrote:
(04-02-2021, 12:21 PM)Anthony Wrote: And the Democrats have only themselves to blame - because of the Culture Wars, which they started 

(A) The Democratic establishment has no desire to actually raise the minimum wage.

(B) That said, the Democrats didn't "start the culture war", you tool. Who was President when Roe v. Wade was decided? Who held the majority of Court appointments then? As for gay rights, guys like Harvey Milk moved against the ossidied ultraconservative Democratic establishment, and justly so.

Amusingly, Synema was elected by making her identity as a bisexual atheist verypublic. She's a trash-tier conservative in absolutely every other respect.

© Joe Manchin is garbage and should be forcefully removed from his seat. Conservadems are the mot vile people in the country.

For the record, Anthony, there is zero taste out there for Ethno-American Catholic Social Jusfice Centrism. Zip. None. It always and everywhere sells out at every available opportunity.

Ruling out fascists (including Nazis, Ku Kluxists, and Ba'athists) Marxist-Leninists, al-Qaeda/ISIS types, and tyrants of pure lunacy... 

the worst in America so far are those who have bought in or sold out to the cult of Ayn Rand, who believe that Humanity rightly exists to suffer to give the super-rich everything that they want lest everything fall apart.  That is much of the GOP, and that is Donald Trump.

There's no practical distinction of policy between a Randroid in pragmatic politics (e.g. Paul Ryan) and conservadems. Conservadems pretend to be conservative only on culture war issues, but inevitably reveal themselves to be just as conservative on economics.