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Biden is using a racial narrative to obscure the class character of police violence - Einzige - 04-22-2021 https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/04/22/pers-a22.html Quote: RE: Biden is using a racial narrative to obscure the class character of police violence - pbrower2a - 04-23-2021 Is there any question that poorer people do more of the sort of crime to which the police react? Ruling out political corruption, large-scale embezzlement, investment fraud, and fraudulent fund-raising that people of advantage might do (such as the late Bernie Madoff) and sex offenses including those with violence attached, street crime is typically what poor people do if they do crime. People with honest ways of making a living do not turn to robbery, burglary, or drug-dealing. Remember also that police react violently to violence directed against them (such is police training, and it is generally understood that a cop's life matters more than an offender's life). Add to this, violent behavior is not good for getting ahead in American life -- not even in holding the most menial of jobs. I do not deny the presence of racist cops or even those that are much more trigger happy around black people than around white people. Maybe white cops assume the worst about a black man driving an expensive car. After a few stops of some physician who drives what cops often recognize as a "Pimpmobile"* who happens to be black, the cops start seeing a membership card from the American Medical Association next to the man's driver's license they recognize that the fellow is neither a pimp nor a pusher. That car will not be stopped except for a traffic violation or if it is reported stolen. In no way do I trivialize the degradation that poverty is. I have been there, and it is dreadful. Poverty in a society which judges character mostly by ownership of assets and class privilege obviously implies little chance of personal happiness. If we need radical change to ensure that working people not be poor, then let us take those radical measures, even if they are 'only' tax reform, a more generous welfare system, better access to education, or trust-busting. Then again, it would be wise, in view of the trigger-happy character of many police, for black people to be deferential toward the police. Confrontation of the police, especially if one does so with anger or violence, can only make things worse. Just obey the police, and if you have no outstanding warrants and don't tell a bunch of lies, then you will get away with "driving while black". *slang for high-priced marques of cars (Cadillac, Lincoln, Mercedes-Benz, etc.) that "successful" criminals love to drive... so do many successful professionals with honest careers. Pimps and drug traffickers love to imitate what they see as the success of legitimately-successful people so that they can impress people. RE: Biden is using a racial narrative to obscure the class character of police violence - David Horn - 04-23-2021 There is an international commission analyzing the policing in many countries (not all cooperate enough to make analysis possible). One of the primary investigators is a retired judge from the UK, and he was interviewed on NPR. Based on data,, the per capita number of police killings and non-lethal uses of force by police in the US is higher than it is in both Russia and Turkey, neither being paragons of virtue themselves. He cited two reasons: social animosity, which includes but is not limited to racism, and prevalence of guns that make all police interactions dangerous for the police and potentially deadly for both parties. We're sick. We need to admit it. RE: Biden is using a racial narrative to obscure the class character of police violence - pbrower2a - 04-23-2021 (04-23-2021, 06:44 AM)David Horn Wrote: There is an international commission analyzing the policing in many countries (not all cooperate enough to make analysis possible). One of the primary investigators is a retired judge from the UK, and he was interviewed on NPR. Based on data,, the per capita number of police killings and non-lethal uses of force by police in the US is higher than it is in both Russia and Turkey, neither being paragons of virtue themselves. He cited two reasons: social animosity, which includes but is not limited to racism, and prevalence of guns that make all police interactions dangerous for the police and potentially deadly for both parties. Good point. The gun culture must die if America is to be a civil society. If I were black: 1. I would adhere closely to all traffic regulations. 2. I would not keep a firearm in my car unless I were a sport hunter headed to or returning from the hunt. 3. I would follow police instructions to the letter if stopped. A police stop will be over if you have no reason to be arrested. 4. I would avoid all behavior associated with the criminal element. Even the racist cops recognize that there are some good black people. 5. I would never call a cop some derogatory name (most infamously at one time, "pig". RE: Biden is using a racial narrative to obscure the class character of police violence - Eric the Green - 04-23-2021 Einzige is using a class narrative to obscure the racial character of police violence RE: Biden is using a racial narrative to obscure the class character of police violence - pbrower2a - 04-23-2021 (04-23-2021, 01:43 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Einzige is using a class narrative to obscure the racial character of police violence Cops are also prejudiced against dope irrespective of ethnicity, Latin-American gangs (especially MS-13), and neo-Nazis... I want to see cops largely go to community policing so that they can have better knowledge of who the good guys and bad guys are. Poor black people who have some moral compass will gladly feed those thugs in their midst to the police. Effective law enforcement is a desirable, and it need not be brutal or corrupt. RE: Biden is using a racial narrative to obscure the class character of police violence - David Horn - 04-24-2021 (04-23-2021, 01:43 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Einzige is using a class narrative to obscure the racial character of police violence ... but his data are right. The system is biased against anyone not in the preferred class -- moreso for some than others. That doesn't mitigate our responsibility to address those other groups too. Narrowing a much wider argument creates focus but dilutes support. It's Hobson's choice, but the wider focus may be the smart one. That shouldn't mean that racial bias should be subsumed in a greater cause. We can walk and chew gum at the same time. RE: Biden is using a racial narrative to obscure the class character of police violence - pbrower2a - 04-24-2021 It is often difficult to fully separate "race" and ethnicity from class in a plutocratic society with a legacy of racism. If the Republican Party does not take back the House and/or the Senate in 2022, then I will ditch the "plutocracy" label, recognizing that the neoliberal era is dead once and for all as one might expect from the Skowronek cycle. Money does not talk in American politics: it shouts, and it usually dominates. RE: Biden is using a racial narrative to obscure the class character of police violence - Einzige - 04-24-2021 (04-24-2021, 07:53 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: It is often difficult to fully separate "race" and ethnicity from class in a plutocratic society with a legacy of racism. If the Republican Party does not take back the House and/or the Senate in 2022, then I will ditch the "plutocracy" label, recognizing that the neoliberal era is dead once and for all as one might expect from the Skowronek cycle. Of course, the neoliberal era can just continue in the form of a left-neoliberal Democratic hegemony (less tax cuts, more public-private partnerships etc.). RE: Biden is using a racial narrative to obscure the class character of police violence - pbrower2a - 04-25-2021 Low corporate taxes have encouraged monopolies, cartels, and vertical integration. It is my preference that the public-private partnership disappear, as any confusion between the public and private sector encourages corruption. RE: Biden is using a racial narrative to obscure the class character of police violence - David Horn - 04-25-2021 (04-25-2021, 06:10 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Low corporate taxes have encouraged monopolies, cartels, and vertical integration. It is my preference that the public-private partnership disappear, as any confusion between the public and private sector encourages corruption. The idea of public-private partnerships (PPPs in the common parlance) is valid for cases where the expertise lies entirely in the private sector but the needs are all or mostly in the public sphere. Very few PPPs live up to those ideals. Most are just crony capitalism. But on the rare case where the idea makes sense, we shouldn't throw the idea away because it's been abused in the past. We can simply do better. |