Eric Wrote:I think gabrielle touched on the difference between someone like me and you guys. For me, a "best song" has to have some level artistry that's similar in some ways to a classical music piece. A high level of artistry such that it could compare to the work of classical composers. And remember, those composers also wrote actual songs, not just symphonies. ...

Lyrics Wrote:Too many slaves in this world
Die by torture and pain
Too many people do not see
They're killing themselves, going insane
Too many people do not know
Bondage is over the human race
They believe slaves always lose
And this fear keeps them down
Watch the damned
(God bless ya)
They're gonna break their chains
(Hey)
No, you can't stop them
(God bless ya)
They're coming to get you
And then you'll get your balls to the wall, man
Balls to the wall
You'll get your balls to the wall, man
Balls to the wall, balls to the wall
You may screw their brains
You may sacrifice them, too
You may mortify their flesh
You may rape them all
One day the tortured stand up
And revolt against the evil
They make you drink your blood
And tear yourself to pieces
You better watch the damned
(God bless ya)
They're gonna break their chains
(Hey)
No, you can't stop them
(God bless ya)
They're coming to get you
And then you'll get your balls to the wall, man
Balls to the wall
You'll get your balls to the wall, man
Balls to the wall, balls to the wall
Balls to the wall
Balls to the wall
Balls to the wall
Balls to the wall
Balls to the wall
Balls to the wall
Balls to the wall
Balls to the wall
Come on man, let's stand up all over the world
(Balls to the wall)
Let's plug a bomb in everyone's arse
(Balls to the wall)
If they don't keep us alive
(Balls to the wall)
We're gonna fight for the right
(Balls to the wall)
Build a wall with the bodies of the dead
(Balls to the wall)
And you're saved
(Balls to the wall)
(Balls to the wall)
Make the world scared
(Balls to the wall)
Come on, show me the sign of victory
(Balls to the wall)
(Balls to the wall)
Come on, show me the sign of victory
(Balls to the wall)
You better watch the damned
(God bless ya)
They're gonna break their chains
(Hey)
No, you can't stop them
(God bless ya)
They're coming to get you
And then you'll get your balls to the wall, man
Balls to the wall
You'll get your balls to the wall, man
Balls to the wall
You'll get your balls to the wall, man
Balls to the wall
You'll get your balls to the wall, man
Balls to the wall
Balls to the wall
Balls to the wall
Balls to the wall
(Balls)
Balls to wall

Quote:Something by boy bands or sexy girls to groove to that has a beat you can dance to, or some interesting lyrics, is different from that.

Quote:Not to mention deliberate decadence, like Rags is posting in this thread, which simply means poor quality music. To each his own; it's not a moral issue. It may be fun or funky for you guys, OK; but that's a difference.

Quote:A great song by The Who may have some different instrumentation and singing that's not the same as a majestic and rocking Beethoven symphony finale. But otherwise they are the same; the best Who songs have magnificent form and structure, power and feeling that's like what I hear in Beethoven or Bach. Many great rock songs from the 2T can compare or surpass many classical works in those qualities. Critics of the time agreed. The Beatles and other musicians sometimes brought western and eastern classical influences into their music, and thereby raised it to a higher level of artistry. In my preferences, I hold music to the same standard of artistry, regardless of genre.

Quote:Not one preference for rock, another for classical, another for folk, etc. Those from the 3T, do not aspire to that kind of standard. It was perhaps just a question of what the musicians were interested in doing in those 2 different turnings.

Quote:Also, the original purpose of music should be remembered. Music and the other arts are here to help facilitate mystical experience. Art is the handmaiden of spirituality.

(06-18-2016, 03:54 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I think gabrielle touched on the difference between someone like me and you guys. For me, a "best song" has to have some level artistry that's similar in some ways to a classical music piece. A high level of artistry such that it could compare to the work of classical composers. And remember, those composers also wrote actual songs, not just symphonies. Something by boy bands or sexy girls to groove to that has a beat you can dance to, or some interesting lyrics, is different from that. Not to mention deliberate decadence, like Rags is posting in this thread, which simply means poor quality music. To each his own; it's not a moral issue. It may be fun or funky for you guys, OK; but that's a difference.

A great song by The Who may have some different instrumentation and singing that's not the same as a majestic and rocking Beethoven symphony finale. But otherwise they are the same; the best Who songs have magnificent form and structure, power and feeling that's like what I hear in Beethoven or Bach. Many great rock songs from the 2T can compare or surpass many classical works in those qualities. Critics of the time agreed. The Beatles and other musicians sometimes brought western and eastern classical influences into their music, and thereby raised it to a higher level of artistry. In my preferences, I hold music to the same standard of artistry, regardless of genre. Not one preference for rock, another for classical, another for folk, etc. Those from the 3T, do not aspire to that kind of standard. It was perhaps just a question of what the musicians were interested in doing in those 2 different turnings.

Also, the original purpose of music should be remembered. Music and the other arts are here to help facilitate mystical experience. Art is the handmaiden of spirituality.

(06-18-2016, 09:04 PM)gabrielle Wrote: I thought that was the kind of music you liked.  (Well, maybe not the sexy girls)  Bieber, 1 Direction etc

(06-18-2016, 05:38 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: I actually agree with this. I like songs that confirm my sense of reality as it actually is. To wit, the state of relations between say Corporate America and folks like me.....

Oh, but either the lyrics or the actual sound of rage are interesting.

Quote:1. You rang?  
2. Well, again, it's the experience there. I was decadent in the 1980's years. I went full fledged Yuppie in regards to seeking $ (influenced by elders no doubt) and lot's of poker junkets.

Quote:1. Newsflash, man. Not everyone uses music like Eric does.
2. Some 2T music certainly works because it's tied to some sort of nice memory.

Quote:I'm sure the audiences were different.

Quote:That's for prophet generations, man.

(06-22-2016, 02:56 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(06-22-2016, 12:55 PM)gabrielle Wrote: Glancing over TaraMarie's picks for this era, I think perhaps her tastes are even more different from mine than Eric's--quite a bit more, actually!  It seems to me she skipped over almost all of the good stuff in favor of late 90s/2000s pop.  At least we are somewhat in agreement on early/mid 80s New Wave.   But it's interesting to observe both the personal and generational differences in all of our music appreciation histories.  

Now, where was I...?  1984?  (been a little busy lately)

Unlike Eric who deliberately skips over stuff he deems icky keep in mind he was an adult during that time and would have been aware of it. I was not as i was a child in the 90s and an infant in the 80s. I have to pick up what songs i like from the 80s much later and some of that 80s music i was influenced by my mother who listened to it. She would play it when i was a child and i grew to love it. She is generally into the upbeat stuff and so when the mid 90s came along and i had my own upbeat music to enjoy i fell for it instantly as i could make that connection. Those songs have great memories for me so i apologize if i skipped over what you enjoy. This was just my list for what i was exposed to and took a liking to. I was heavily influenced by a late boomer and for the pop explosion milies are stereotypically connected with. Yes, like Eric i like the happier music overall. But he calls my music crap and empty/bland on par with 1T music. The mood changed with it approaching 4T and my taste evolved with it. Of course i do still love upbeat but i enjoy other music too which i showed in my later music. The later music seems more "real" to me as it tends to reveal what is wrong with the world and as i am waking up to what is wrong and why life is not so great as it was when i was a child i naturally changed my tune. Evanescence, skillet and disturbed are wonderful xer groups for that. Do not care that Eric loathes the angry tone. It helps the mood. So anyway yeah I favour mid/late 90s to 2000s as that is what i have a memory connection to. That is when i started to make choices on new music at the time on what i enjoyed. Not just what my mother enjoyed. What was enjoyed at the time for many millies here was what i revealed in my choices. Other millies influenced me and i them. We all went crazy for the upbeat pop music Eric calls crap.