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Sham elections in Russian-occupied Ukraine - pbrower2a - 09-27-2022
Quote:KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — The Kremlin paved the way Tuesday to annex more of Ukraine and escalate the war by claiming that residents of a large swath overwhelmingly supported joining with Russia in stage-managed referendums the U.S. and its Western allies have dismissed as illegitimate.
Pro-Moscow officials said all four occupied regions of Ukraine voted to join Russia. According to Russia-installed election officials, 93% of the ballots cast in the Zaporizhzhia region supported annexation, as did 87% in the Kherson region, 98% in the Luhansk region and 99% in Donetsk. Possibly explaining the lower favorable vote in Kherson is that Russian authorities there have faced a strong Ukrainian underground resistance movement whose members have killed Moscow-appointed officials and threatened those who considered voting.
In a remark that appeared to rule out negotiations, Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelenskyy told the U.N. Security Council by video from Kyiv that Russia’s attempts to annex Ukrainian territory will mean “there is nothing to talk about with this president of Russia.”
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-moscow-referendums-1780c30715ce49723629d05c5e2f3238?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=TopNews&utm_campaign=position_02
RE: Sham elections in Russian-occupied Ukraine - pbrower2a - 09-27-2022
Elections and referenda held under duress are frauds. Such explains why the United States and many other countries never recognized the Soviet annexation of Estonia, Latvia, or Lithuania in which the Soviet Union forced sham elections for "people's parliaments" to which people who would do the Soviet bidding were the sole choices, and that these delegates would form a new government whose sole purpose was to send a delegation to Moscow begging for annexation by the Soviet Union.
Decisions made under duress are invalid under international, criminal, and commercial law. Fraudulent elections cannot be the basis of a lawful government.
RE: Sham elections in Russian-occupied Ukraine - David Horn - 09-29-2022
(09-27-2022, 05:31 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Elections and referenda held under duress are frauds. Such explains why the United States and many other countries never recognized the Soviet annexation of Estonia, Latvia, or Lithuania in which the Soviet Union forced sham elections for "people's parliaments" to which people who would do the Soviet bidding were the sole choices, and that these delegates would form a new government whose sole purpose was to send a delegation to Moscow begging for annexation by the Soviet Union.
Decisions made under duress are invalid under international, criminal, and commercial law. Fraudulent elections cannot be the basis of a lawful government.
All true, but what happens now? We left Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia under Soviet dominnantion unto the USSR collapsed. I don't see that happening this time, but ...
RE: Sham elections in Russian-occupied Ukraine - Eric the Green - 09-30-2022
(09-29-2022, 03:32 PM)David Horn Wrote:(09-27-2022, 05:31 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Elections and referenda held under duress are frauds. Such explains why the United States and many other countries never recognized the Soviet annexation of Estonia, Latvia, or Lithuania in which the Soviet Union forced sham elections for "people's parliaments" to which people who would do the Soviet bidding were the sole choices, and that these delegates would form a new government whose sole purpose was to send a delegation to Moscow begging for annexation by the Soviet Union.
Decisions made under duress are invalid under international, criminal, and commercial law. Fraudulent elections cannot be the basis of a lawful government.
All true, but what happens now? We left Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia under Soviet dominnantion unto the USSR collapsed. I don't see that happening this time, but ...
A report I saw says that Ukrainian troops in Kherson have Russian forces surrounded, so their occupation there will collapse soon. Advances in the northeast continue. The USA is sending more missile systems and other weapons. So, we'll see.
RE: Sham elections in Russian-occupied Ukraine - pbrower2a - 09-30-2022
Surrounded, ill-supplied, demoralized, and facing a local resistance.. what could possibly go wrong for the Russians at Kherson?
Everything!
RE: Sham elections in Russian-occupied Ukraine - David Horn - 09-30-2022
(09-30-2022, 12:22 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:(09-29-2022, 03:32 PM)David Horn Wrote:(09-27-2022, 05:31 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Elections and referenda held under duress are frauds. Such explains why the United States and many other countries never recognized the Soviet annexation of Estonia, Latvia, or Lithuania in which the Soviet Union forced sham elections for "people's parliaments" to which people who would do the Soviet bidding were the sole choices, and that these delegates would form a new government whose sole purpose was to send a delegation to Moscow begging for annexation by the Soviet Union.
Decisions made under duress are invalid under international, criminal, and commercial law. Fraudulent elections cannot be the basis of a lawful government.
All true, but what happens now? We left Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia under Soviet dominnantion until the USSR collapsed. I don't see that happening this time, but ...
A report I saw says that Ukrainian troops in Kherson have Russian forces surrounded, so their occupation will collapse soon. Advances in the northeast continue. The USA is sending more missile systems and other weapons. So, we'll see.
I doubt Putin plays nuclear hardball when the Ukrainians "violate the Russian Fatherland" but that's not guaranteed. We're getting down to rubber-meets-the-road time, and what's on the other side is always problematic.
Putin already destroyed two piplelines Russia will need to rebuild its economy. He simply doesn't care. Unless there is a palace coup, an end is nowhere in sight.
RE: Sham elections in Russian-occupied Ukraine - pbrower2a - 09-30-2022
(09-29-2022, 03:32 PM)David Horn Wrote:(09-27-2022, 05:31 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Elections and referenda held under duress are frauds. Such explains why the United States and many other countries never recognized the Soviet annexation of Estonia, Latvia, or Lithuania in which the Soviet Union forced sham elections for "people's parliaments" to which people who would do the Soviet bidding were the sole choices, and that these delegates would form a new government whose sole purpose was to send a delegation to Moscow begging for annexation by the Soviet Union.
Decisions made under duress are invalid under international, criminal, and commercial law. Fraudulent elections cannot be the basis of a lawful government.
All true, but what happens now? We left Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia under Soviet dominnantion unto the USSR collapsed. I don't see that happening this time, but ...
We could do nothing except to deny legality of the Soviet incorporation of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania into the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union sealed their rule of these three countries by taking over northern East Prussia from Nazi Germany and occupying the Danish island Bornholm.
The Soviet Union had to weaken greatly for Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania to revover independence that Stalin had no right to steal and Hitler had no right to deal.