![]() |
GOP: Kaine is too moderate - Printable Version +- Generational Theory Forum: The Fourth Turning Forum: A message board discussing generations and the Strauss Howe generational theory (http://generational-theory.com/forum) +-- Forum: Fourth Turning Forums (http://generational-theory.com/forum/forum-1.html) +--- Forum: Current Events (http://generational-theory.com/forum/forum-34.html) +---- Forum: General Political Discussion (http://generational-theory.com/forum/forum-15.html) +---- Thread: GOP: Kaine is too moderate (/thread-325.html) |
GOP: Kaine is too moderate - Dan '82 - 07-23-2016 Whatever happened to Republicans attacking the Democrat by saying they are liberal extremists? Now the GOP attacking the Democrat for not being liberal enough. Quote:https://gop.com/what-they-are-saying-kaines-selection-already-angering-progressives/ RE: GOP: Kaine is too moderate - playwrite - 07-24-2016 The Kaine selection is a confident gutsy choice that has the potential to take down the GOP as a national political power. It not only assures Virginia but puts North Carolina, Georgia and Arizona in play while bolstering the Dems in Florida, Colorado, Ohio and Pennsylvania - it even puts Texas into consideration! And that's not just at the Presidential level but very important down-ticket races! Yes, there's been the initial reaction from the Left that Kaine wasn't what they wanted, if not a slap in the fact to the Bernie supporters. But think about it. We know that 80% of the Bernie voters have made clear that they are voting for Clinton - both because they're on the Left and the election is, in reality, a binary choice and because Trump scares the shXt out of them. Of the remaining 20%, the Dems are going to work hard to make the case, and they will get at least half of them, Of the 10% that remains, most of them are pretty smart and will decide to vote for a Jill Stein but ONLY if they are in a state solidly behind the Blue Wall and their calculations show their vote will have no harmful effect. That leaves those that will vote 3rd party or even Trump in critical states - frankly, these people are far too stupid and/or too self-centered to give a moment's thought to (if Trump gets in, they'll be the first to suffer under his regime - got to appreciate the irony). I have to run now, but I'll be back to lay out what Kaine does to appeal to a lot of people that would have been more difficult for Clinton to capture without him or with another pick. RE: GOP: Kaine is too moderate - Eric the Green - 07-24-2016 I think Hillary had personal personality reasons for choosing Kaine; I heard that she thought Gore was too interfering. She likes things to run smooth and people around her who won't rock her boat too much. Warren might have been bothering her all the time with disagreements and her own agenda. Clinton and Kaine are very compatible with each other. But the VP pick is not necessarily any more important than cabinet and advisor choices. Trump left the moderate field open with HIS choice, so she is filling it. Let's see if she goes any further left than Obama and Bill Clinton did for those other positions, or whether she sinks back into their more neo-liberal type of picks. RE: GOP: Kaine is too moderate - Anthony '58 - 07-24-2016 The Repubs are butt-hurt because this pretty much takes Virginia off the map of battleground states - and might even jeopardize Trump's chances is neighboring North Carolina, which is about to lose next winter's NBA All Star Game because of the anti-LGBT law they just adopted. RE: GOP: Kaine is too moderate - The Wonkette - 07-24-2016 (07-24-2016, 11:26 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: I think Hillary had personal personality reasons for choosing Kaine; I heard that she thought Gore was too interfering. She likes things to run smooth and people around her who won't rock her boat too much. Warren might have been bothering her all the time with disagreements and her own agenda. Clinton and Kaine are very compatible with each other. But the VP pick is not necessarily any more important than cabinet and advisor choices. Trump left the moderate field open with HIS choice, so she is filling it. Let's see if she goes any further left than Obama and Bill Clinton did for those other positions, or whether she sinks back into their more neo-liberal type of picks.Clinton would have been foolish to pick Warren for this reason: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Baker. GOP governor picking Warren's replacement for the Senate. Same issue with Cory Booker. RE: GOP: Kaine is too moderate - Anthony '58 - 07-24-2016 But the only reason Baker won is because he got to run against the Susan Lucci of Massachusetts politics: Martha Coakley. RE: GOP: Kaine is too moderate - playwrite - 07-24-2016 (07-24-2016, 03:35 PM)The Wonkette Wrote:(07-24-2016, 11:26 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: I think Hillary had personal personality reasons for choosing Kaine; I heard that she thought Gore was too interfering. She likes things to run smooth and people around her who won't rock her boat too much. Warren might have been bothering her all the time with disagreements and her own agenda. Clinton and Kaine are very compatible with each other. But the VP pick is not necessarily any more important than cabinet and advisor choices. Trump left the moderate field open with HIS choice, so she is filling it. Let's see if she goes any further left than Obama and Bill Clinton did for those other positions, or whether she sinks back into their more neo-liberal type of picks.Clinton would have been foolish to pick Warren for this reason: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Baker. GOP governor picking Warren's replacement for the Senate. Same issue with Cory Booker. Correct, and on top of that Warren will be much more able to pursue her own agenda as Chair of Senate Finance. Her dragging up Wall Street critters to hearings is going to make the Benghazi hearings look like camp fire singalongs. The same is true of Bernie Sanders. And this time, there will not be a 1st-timer President in the White House telling them instead to play nice, be bipartisan and seek compromise; there will be a clear-eye, revengeful she-devil there and I mean that as a huge complement. RE: GOP: Kaine is too moderate - David Horn - 07-25-2016 (07-24-2016, 09:03 PM)playwrite Wrote:(07-24-2016, 03:35 PM)The Wonkette Wrote:(07-24-2016, 11:26 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: I think Hillary had personal personality reasons for choosing Kaine; I heard that she thought Gore was too interfering. She likes things to run smooth and people around her who won't rock her boat too much. Warren might have been bothering her all the time with disagreements and her own agenda. Clinton and Kaine are very compatible with each other. But the VP pick is not necessarily any more important than cabinet and advisor choices. Trump left the moderate field open with HIS choice, so she is filling it. Let's see if she goes any further left than Obama and Bill Clinton did for those other positions, or whether she sinks back into their more neo-liberal type of picks.Clinton would have been foolish to pick Warren for this reason: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Baker. GOP governor picking Warren's replacement for the Senate. Same issue with Cory Booker. You are way too optimistic on this. Hillary triangulates in her sleep, just like Bill. If she didn't, Michael Bloomberg would never have offered a helping hand. I might feel different if I saw a full-court press to elect Dems to the House, but I don't. Getting a Dem Senate is weak tea ... except for the SCOTUS of course, but the money bills originate in the House. The TPers still seem destined to hold sway there. In other words, there will be no real movement, but Hillary will get the blame. That seems ideal for the GOPpers, who don't want Trump, but don't want Hillary to succeed either. Like everyone else, they want to win in 2020, when it really counts. RE: GOP: Kaine is too moderate - Anthony '58 - 07-25-2016 Yeah, Michael Bloomberg - who got right on Lawrence O'Donnell's show in December of 2010 and said that the income tax should be replaced by a strict, per-person head tax! I'm not one bit surprised that he would support a fellow neoliberal like Hillary. |