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The Ghosts of Empires Past - Dan '82 - 09-17-2016 http://peterturchin.com/blog/2016/09/17/the-ghosts-of-empires-past/ Quote:Apparently my blog posts on the historical roots of European dysfunction (see for example the last one, Visualizing Values Mismatch in the European Union) were noticed. I was approached by people who run Euromind and asked to contribute a short article to the edited volume they are putting together, titled Do Europeans Exist? I did that and you can see it here: RE: The Ghosts of Empires Past - Eric the Green - 09-17-2016 Looking at an example of the world values survey http://graduateinstitute.ch/files/live/sites/iheid/files/sites/mia/shared/mia/cours/DE016/Questionnaire%20WVS%20(2005).pdf I would not understand how Mr. Turchin could possibly associate the questions with the two axes he describes. RE: The Ghosts of Empires Past - Dan '82 - 09-17-2016 (09-17-2016, 07:55 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Looking at an example of the world values survey Here's the wikipedia entry for the theory I'll see if I can find more later. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inglehart%E2%80%93Welzel_cultural_map_of_the_world RE: The Ghosts of Empires Past - Ragnarök_62 - 09-17-2016 (09-17-2016, 08:34 PM)Dan Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inglehart%E2%80%93Welzel_cultural_map_of_the_world wiki Wrote:Out of Western world countries, the United States is among the most conservative (as one of the most downwards-located countries), together with highly conservative Catholic countries such as Ireland and Poland.[6] Simoni concludes that "On the traditional/secular dimension, the United States ranks far below other rich societies, with levels of religiosity and national pride comparable with those found in some developing societies" (roughly, between Iran and Iraq).[3] Yup. Lot's of crackpots here and probably even moreso in the South. So , yeah, really we need to be a lot more like Sweden. That also means no more MIC and butting into other nation-states' business. RE: The Ghosts of Empires Past - pbrower2a - 09-18-2016 Even in the US I would recognize a regional difference, with most Southern states having been effectively single-party dictatorships until the mid-1960s. Mississippi even had a KGB-style secret police, the Mississippi Sovereignty Committee. Even with ethnicity, figure that people who fled Commie rule (like Vietnamese or Cubans of a certain age) would think differently from Irish-Americans who know nothing of the sort. I see a strong correlation between memories of dictatorial regimes (25 to almost 30 years ago in the former Soviet bloc to about 40 in Spain, Greece, and Portugal to 70 for most of the rest of Europe -- exceptions the UK, Ireland, Switzerland, Sweden, and Finland) and concern with survival. The dictatorships did a poor job of promoting human happiness and did a good job of squelching personal expression. Figure that a 25-year-old in Poland might not be so concerned with day-to-ray survival and more concerned with self-expression than a 50-year-old Pole who remembers queues for food and remembers fear of the secret police. Even in the US I would recognize a regional difference, with most Southern states having been effectively single-party dictatorships until the mid-1960s. Mississippi even had a KGB-style secret police, the Mississippi Sovereignty Committee. Even with ethnicity, figure that people who fled Commie rule (like Vietnamese or Cubans of a certain age) would think differently from Irish-Americans who know nothing of the sort. |