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State bans license plate covers that stymie photo radar - nebraska - 01-07-2018
State bans license plate covers that stymie photo radar
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/arizona/state-bans-license-plate-covers-that-stymie-photo-radar/article_be84e0ee-1963-11e7-8290-3fcbfa818a97.html
RE: State bans license plate covers that stymie photo radar - pbrower2a - 01-08-2018
So someone has the right to cover a license plate with some film which prevents the cops from knowing that it is the car of a fugitive or of someone driving a stolen car?
Tough luck, fugitive or auto thief!
RE: State bans license plate covers that stymie photo radar - nebraska - 01-08-2018
Faced with the pain of freedom, man begs for his shackles.
RE: State bans license plate covers that stymie photo radar - pbrower2a - 01-08-2018
Criminals are not the ones to make freedom possible. Law-abiding societies get workable democracy.
RE: State bans license plate covers that stymie photo radar - nebraska - 01-09-2018
Obeying the law is difficult when everything is illegal.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/george-will/2015/04/09/will-everything-crime/25478695/
RE: State bans license plate covers that stymie photo radar - Galen - 01-09-2018
(01-09-2018, 12:46 AM)nebraska Wrote: Obeying the law is difficult when everything is illegal.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/george-will/2015/04/09/will-everything-crime/25478695/
Here is an example of how the CFR has grown from 1950 to 2013 which should help some of the really clueless, and trust me you don't know who you are, some idea of the magnitude of the problem.
This doesn't even cover the nonsense that happens at the state and local level. Then there is the little mater of case law decided in court at the state and federal level. As a practical matter it is impossible for anyone, lawyers included, to really know what the law actually is.
Here is a little bit from Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand who happens to be a favorite author of Eric the Obtuse. It may be a bit melodramatic but she does make the point very clearly.
“Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”
RE: State bans license plate covers that stymie photo radar - nebraska - 01-09-2018
Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime.
http://f2bbs.com/bbs
RE: State bans license plate covers that stymie photo radar - David Horn - 01-09-2018
(01-09-2018, 06:19 AM)Galen Wrote:Galen(01-09-2018, 12:46 AM)nebraska Wrote: Obeying the law is difficult when everything is illegal.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/george-will/2015/04/09/will-everything-crime/25478695/
Here is an example of how the CFR has grown from 1950 to 2013 which should help some of the really clueless, and trust me you don't know who you are, some idea of the magnitude of the problem. <SNIP>
Of course, those regulations didn't just make themselves. They were imposed to correct a problem. SO, unless you have another viable solution, regulations are a must. In my lifetime, we had rivers and lakes that actually burst into flame:
![[Image: 1959-LAKE-FIRE.jpg]](https://morebees.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/1959-LAKE-FIRE.jpg)
Other than making that illegal, what solution do you offer?
RE: State bans license plate covers that stymie photo radar - nebraska - 01-09-2018
There was a time when Americans believed in freedom.
The US is dying from a million cuts. Part of the reason the USA is a nanny police state now is that whenever there is a problem, the kneejerk reaction in the US is to call for a new law.
Nanny state laws are not the best solution, however. Nanny state laws lead to more laws, higher fines, and tougher sentences. Thirty-five years ago, DWI laws were enacted that led to DWI checkpoints and lower DWI levels. Seatbelt laws led to backseat seatbelt laws, childseat laws, and pet seatbelt laws. Car liability insurance laws led to health insurance laws and gun liability laws. Smoking laws that banned smoking in buildings led to laws against smoking in parks and then bans against smoking in entire cities. Sex offender registration laws led to sex offender restriction laws and violent offender registration laws.
Nanny state laws don't make us safer, either. Nanny state laws lead people to be careless since they don't need to have personal responsibility anymore. People don't need to be careful crossing the street now because drunk-driving has been outlawed and driving while using a mobile phone is illegal. People don't investigate companies or carry out due diligence because businesses must have business licenses now.
The main point of nanny state laws is not safety. The main purposes of more laws are control and revenue generation for the state.
Another reason laws are enacted is because corporations give donations to lawmakers to stifle competition or increase sales.
Many laws are contradictory, too. Some laws say watering lawns is required, while other laws say watering lawns is illegal.
Many nanny state laws that aim to solve a problem can be fixed by using existing laws. If assault is already illegal, why do we need a new law that outlaws hitting umpires?
Nanny state laws are not even necessary. If everything was legal would you steal, murder, and use crack cocaine?
Aren't there other ways to solve problems besides calling the police? Couldn't people educate or talk to people who bother them? Couldn't people be sued for annoying behavior? Couldn't people just move away? Even if assault was legal, wouldn't attackers risk being killed or injured, too? Do people have consciences? Having no laws doesn't mean actions have no consequences.
If there is no victim, there is no crime.
We don't need thousands of laws when we only need 10.
Should swimming pools be banned because they are dangerous? Hammers? Bottles? Rocks? Energy drinks? Pillows?
Where does it end?
If one state can have self-serve gas stations, why can't every state have them? If sodas were legal 20 years ago, why can't they be legal now?
Freedom is not just a one way street. You can only have freedom for yourself if you allow others to have it.
Control freaks might get angry when a neighbor owns three indoor cats, but what did the neighbor take from them?
Why should this be illegal? Is outlawing cats something a free country should do? Doesn't banning everything sound like the opposite of liberty?
Instead of getting mad at people who like freedom, why don't people realize that freedom is a two way street?
If you allow others to paint their house purple then you can, too.
If you allow others to own a gun then you can, too.
If you allow others to swear then you can, too.
If you allow others to gamble then you can, too.
Good men don't need laws. Bad men won't obey laws.
Who wants to live in a prison?
Think. Question everything.
RE: State bans license plate covers that stymie photo radar - Galen - 01-10-2018
(01-09-2018, 11:34 AM)David Horn Wrote:(01-09-2018, 06:19 AM)Galen Wrote:Galen(01-09-2018, 12:46 AM)nebraska Wrote: Obeying the law is difficult when everything is illegal.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/george-will/2015/04/09/will-everything-crime/25478695/
Here is an example of how the CFR has grown from 1950 to 2013 which should help some of the really clueless, and trust me you don't know who you are, some idea of the magnitude of the problem. <SNIP>
Of course, those regulations didn't just make themselves. They were imposed to correct a problem.
They were made by bureaucrats who do not never have to consider the consequences of the rules that they impose. They do not have to consider little problems like how much the pages of rules they churn out will cost because they get money by having the IRS hold a gun to everyone else's head. They also assume that every rule they make must exist forever even if the reason for it has long since ceased to exist.
RE: State bans license plate covers that stymie photo radar - nebraska - 01-10-2018
How do you obey the law when everything is illegal?
How do you obey the law when just existing is a crime?
How do you obey the law when our overlords don't tell us what the laws are?
http://www.bendbulletin.com/opinion/3987223-151/editorial-oregon-law-should-not-be-a-mystery
How do you obey the law when one law says something is illegal and another law says the opposite?
How do you obey the law when carrying cash can be seized by the police, but depositing less than $10,000 in a bank account is illegal?
How do you obey the law when starting a business is illegal and begging is illegal?
How do you obey the law when doing good and doing bad are both illegal?
How do you obey the law when being homeless and living in a tiny home is illegal?
How do you obey the law when you are forced to buy a product that you don't want?
Obeying the law is difficult when everything is a crime.
How can you say that you live in a free country when hourly room rentals, license plate covers, dog sales, plywood, passing garbage trucks, horse meat, boating while drinking, ticket bots, riding horses, car sales, shooting ranges, trans fat, hedgehogs, leaning bikes on trees, fake service dogs, hookah lounges, clowns, holding hands, hollow logs, interracial marriage, hitching posts, cheetahs, pinball, pesticides, powder caffeine, feeding deer, potlucks, glue, mobile homes, snow brushing, fixing tractors, sharing passwords, visiting banned websites, fortune-telling, declawing, air taxis, Kratom, seed libraries, dwarf tossing, cemetery picnics, selling hair, drunk surfing, being annoying, golf carts, street parking, parking backwards, lawn parking, paved yards, masks, powdered alcohol, spitting, unlicensed bicycling, deer scents, pitbulls, speed trap warnings, aluminum bottles, stun guns, drinking, cursing, body odor, RV's, cigarettes, hate speech, texting while walking, dirty cars, monkeys, boating without life jackets, feeding homeless, tiger selfies, shoveling snow, not mowing, food in trash, not wearing helmets, watering lawns, not watering lawns, caged chickens, fois gras, curfews, microbeads, recording police, sleeping in cars, secret compartments, fireworks, leash free dogs, unlicensed dogs, jaywalking, sex without a contract, porn condoms, ginseng harvesting, baggy pants, subway gymnasts, styrofoam, smoking, sodas, cellphones while driving, washing car in driveways, astroturf, tiny homes, plastic bags, alcohol, Airbnb, Uber, nudity, gardens, signs, toy guns, transporting illegals, ballot pictures, Tesla, sledding, gambling, prostitution, driving without insurance, radar detectors, kill switches, no seatbelts, garage sales, sitting on milk crates, circuses, protesting, self-serve gas, sex toys, calling 311, hitch-hiking, warming cars, eating while driving, structuring, electronics recycling, fences, alcohol contents, dancing, camping, fires, bottled water, feeding strays, electric bikes, loitering, repair cars on street, menus without calories, unlicensed dogs, possession, ATV's, manspreading, science, skateboards, dogs in trucks, knives, brass knuckles, not having health insurance, dirt bikes, go carts, outdoor sleeping, panhandling, blocking sidewalks, drugs, ammunition, ferrets, failing to report worldwide assets, foreign bank accounts, net cafes, slow driving, sex, flags, failing to register as sex offender, cohabitation, no vaccination, cupcakes, flashing headlights, working too early, fireplaces, failing to declare cash, recording farms, fast food, rent control, tinted windows, minimum wage, failing to carry ID, adultery, cutting down trees, volunteers, collecting rain, decorations, importing cars, hammocks, labels, discounts, pet burials, basketball hoops, wading pools, satellite dishes, BBQ, playing in street, hoverboards, switchblades, biking on sidewalk, sidewalk sitting, flying lanterns, donation bins, salt, pigs, and martial arts are all against the law?
http://libertarian.forumbuild.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=13&start=0
Is the government always right?
Millions were killed in Nazi Germany, Soviet gulags, the Cultural Revolution in China, and Cambodia's killing fields because they were silent.
When Americans remain quiet about rising debt, Obamacare, food stamps, regulations, endless US wars, increasing taxes, illegal immigrants, nanny state laws, security cameras, license plate readers, checkpoints, redlight cameras, speed cameras, FBI facial and voice recognition, curfews, gun bans, NSA wiretapping, the end to the right to silence, free speech bans, searches without warrants, private prisons, mandatory minimums, 3 strikes laws, DNA databases, CISPA, SOPA, NDAA, IMBRA, private prison quotas, no knock raids, take down notices, no fly lists, terror watch lists, Constitution free zones, stop and frisk, 3 strikes laws, kill switches, National Security Letters, kill lists, FBAR, FATCA, Operation Chokepoint, TSA groping, civil forfeiture, CIA torture, NDAA indefinite detention, secret FISA courts, FEMA camps, laws requiring passports for domestic travel, IRS laws denying passports for tax debts, gun and ammo stockpiles, laws outlawing protesting, police militarization, chain gangs, boot camps, and Jade Helm what kind of message does that send to the elites?
Do you think the 1% is just going to turn around and restore freedom? Do you think our overlords are just going to stop increasing tyranny on their own?
Now the elites buy off the politicians with campaign donations and cushy job promises, politicians make the laws that benefit the 1%, the Gestapo enforces the laws, and the 99% obey the laws and pay the taxes that fund their own enslavement.
The whole system exists because people still think it is legit.
If people stopped obeying the laws and the police stopped enforcing them, the whole rigged game would collapse.
No one rules if no obeys.
Anyone who is silent about tyranny now is as guilty as the ruling powers that make the laws, the Gestapo who shoot unarmed people in the back, the tyrants who shred the Bill of Rights, the TSA agents who grope Americans, the NSA spies who wiretap people, the IRS agents who steal, and the CIA agents who torture.
In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousand fold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.
Liberty has never come from government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of government. The history of liberty is the history of resistance.
RE: State bans license plate covers that stymie photo radar - David Horn - 01-10-2018
(01-10-2018, 05:31 AM)Galen Wrote:(01-09-2018, 11:34 AM)David Horn Wrote: Of course, those regulations didn't just make themselves. They were imposed to correct a problem.
They were made by bureaucrats who do not never have to consider the consequences of the rules that they impose. They do not have to consider little problems like how much the pages of rules they churn out will cost because they get money by having the IRS hold a gun to everyone else's head. They also assume that every rule they make must exist forever even if the reason for it has long since ceased to exist.
Most regulations are made in response to active bitching by a few powerful or many average people. If I find it unacceptable to live on the abandoned site of a toxic waste dump like Love Canal, I'm going to be pissed-off enough to raise hell until it's made illegal. If I'm in the insurance business and get dinged constantly by injury or workman's compensation claims for workers falling off roof, ladders, trees or whatever (be creative!), I'm going to make similar demands for regulations too.
Which ones do you want to eliminate: only ones that don't risk your health, income or security? People used to die regularly from tainted food. Now it's rare and the bad actors are identified and punished. Crime used to be high, before regulations removed lead from paint and fuels. The list is endless.
RE: State bans license plate covers that stymie photo radar - pbrower2a - 01-10-2018
(01-09-2018, 12:46 AM)nebraska Wrote: Obeying the law is difficult when everything is illegal.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/george-will/2015/04/09/will-everything-crime/25478695/
Which explains Article 58 in the Soviet criminal code that made just about everyone a criminal by definition.
It reminds me of a company for which I once worked: management assumed that everyone was a thief, and so said.
It was demoralizing.
...Because I am not on the run from the law and don't drive stolen cars, I have no problem with such a law.
Car thieves raise my insurance rates. F--- 'em!
RE: State bans license plate covers that stymie photo radar - nebraska - 01-10-2018
If you want total security, go to prison. There you’re fed, clothed, given medical care, and so on. The only thing lacking is freedom.
RE: State bans license plate covers that stymie photo radar - pbrower2a - 01-10-2018
(01-10-2018, 06:09 PM)nebraska Wrote: If you want total security, go to prison. There you’re fed, clothed, given medical care, and so on. The only thing lacking is freedom.
Except that you will be around unprincipled, violent sociopaths. That is insecurity in the extreme.
![[Image: 150px-Made_in_RSA.jpg]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Made_in_RSA.jpg/150px-Made_in_RSA.jpg)
Und der Haifisch, der hat Zähne,
Und die trägt er im Gesicht.
Und Macheath, der hat ein Messer,
Doch das Messer sieht man nicht.
RE: State bans license plate covers that stymie photo radar - nebraska - 01-10-2018
WTF?
The only reason you don't kill people is because there is a law?
Is the government also made up of people?
Do you think someone who has a costume, a badge, and a gun is somehow more moral than you are?
Do you really need yoga pants and porn to be illegal?
Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty.
No wonder the US is a police state.
Do Americans who think that they can survive tyranny by joining the Gestapo realize that they have to live with their consciences?
Do Americans who think that they can survive tyranny by remaining silent and obedient realize that this plan failed for millions of people who were killed in Nazi Germany, the USSR, China, and Cambodia?
Do Americans who think that they can survive tyranny by being rich, famous, attractive, educated, or having influence realize that this plan failed to protect people in history?
Do Americans who think that they can survive tyranny by being white realize that whatever they allow the government to do to others will eventually be done to them?
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/mesa/2016/05/24/mesa-police-body-camera-video-released-daniel-shaver-shooting/84863926/
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-body-camera-footage-20170719-story.html