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Anti-Fascism as a Unifying Force - X_4AD_84 - 10-11-2016
The following article has helped me to further crystallize some ideas I've had brewing:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/donald-trump-anti-semitism-young-jews-214314
I have a hope. My hope is that there will arise a Millennial dominated, new, anti-Fascist force. It will be a private-public partnership. It will proactively root out Fascists, Nazis, and all other strains of anti-American, anti-Democratic, anti-Humanistic totalitarianism. It will lead to a healthier HUAC. HUAC 2.0.
This HUAC will not prosecute mere notions and will not encroach on the 1st Amendment. However, it will, with extreme efficiency, root out actual plotters, perpetrators and traitors, who plan the destruction of all we hold dear.
I believe that the presence of war veterans among this new force will provide an aspect that was missing from anti-Fascist forces who tried but failed to stop the totalitarian monsters of the 20th Century. A robust, confident force, backed at times by appropriate security apparatus and weaponry, which can credibly smoke out, apprehend, and, deter, those who wish destruction upon liberal, Western, developed society, be they domestic or foreign.
This is my call to arms.
RE: Anti-Fascism as a Unifying Force - Bob Butler 54 - 10-11-2016
HUAC was a congressional committee. While some such committees are really gathering important information that will help Congress pass good legislation, a lot of time, money and energy being expended by these committees is politicians trying to score political points. They produce more propaganda than actionable information. Thus, while I might agree that fascists must be watched and constrained more, I'm not looking to trust politicians to be at the center of organizing things
The FBI, NSA and similar organizations are currently watching for middle eastern violent extremists. You might want an informant in every urban mosque, a nerd watching every jihad recruitment and propaganda web page, agents tracking movements in and out of ISIS training camps, etc... I could see a similar program targeting fascists and their ilk, run by professional investigators rather than politicians.
But the amount of effort and dollars spent should reflect the degree of the threat. Right now the middle eastern terrorists are detonating more bombs than the fascists. Now, I have no love of fascists, but the current batch is far more into talk than action. If you can show me a spiral of violence, if you can show a pattern of violent crimes being committed, I'll be a lot more enthusiastic about spending money to spy on Americans. Getting the government in the habit of spying on citizens isn't a good idea unless there is a real benefit.
RE: Anti-Fascism as a Unifying Force - Einzige - 10-12-2016
Your problem isn't so much with the alt-right troglodytes on /pol/ (I successfully trolled one of our resident plutocratic assholes using their gimmick earlier this year), but with the 'neoreactionaries', a much more up-market bunch of anti-democratic activists. Those people seem to want some kind of negative utopia, and to be honest I can see their logic, though I disagree with it. They have a far more thoroughgoing approach to their politics, and have much deeper pockets than the alt-right rabble. Think Peter Thiel, though he's actually on the moderate end of the neo-reactionaries.
RE: Anti-Fascism as a Unifying Force - Odin - 10-12-2016
In the last 4T anti-Fascist "national fronts" were fairly common before much of Europe was submerged under Nazi occupation. The most well-known example was in France, which had a fairly strong national front for several years.
RE: Anti-Fascism as a Unifying Force - Anthony '58 - 10-18-2016
But what about the "New Copperheads" like present company who would be more than willing to let Red America secede?
I'll gladly give them Florida in exchange for a "Blue Corridor" along the Canadian border connecting Minnesota with Washington state.
RE: Anti-Fascism as a Unifying Force - playwrite - 10-18-2016
(10-11-2016, 11:45 AM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: The following article has helped me to further crystallize some ideas I've had brewing:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/donald-trump-anti-semitism-young-jews-214314
I have a hope. My hope is that there will arise a Millennial dominated, new, anti-Fascist force. It will be a private-public partnership. It will proactively root out Fascists, Nazis, and all other strains of anti-American, anti-Democratic, anti-Humanistic totalitarianism. It will lead to a healthier HUAC. HUAC 2.0.
This HUAC will not prosecute mere notions and will not encroach on the 1st Amendment. However, it will, with extreme efficiency, root out actual plotters, perpetrators and traitors, who plan the destruction of all we hold dear.
I believe that the presence of war veterans among this new force will provide an aspect that was missing from anti-Fascist forces who tried but failed to stop the totalitarian monsters of the 20th Century. A robust, confident force, backed at times by appropriate security apparatus and weaponry, which can credibly smoke out, apprehend, and, deter, those who wish destruction upon liberal, Western, developed society, be they domestic or foreign.
This is my call to arms.
I think it will be far more fun to let them take over remote bird sanctuaries - entice them with photos of the gift shops.
Your Millie force can then surround them, but let all our deliveries through of body lube and dildos.
RE: Anti-Fascism as a Unifying Force - Anthony '58 - 10-18-2016
But these "fascists" are serving a very worthwhile purpose: They are taking votes away from the establishment, trickle-down/supply-side types, and that's helping progressives win. It's happening in Australia, where the "fascist" One Nation is siphoning votes from the Conservatives, allowing the Liberals to take advantage.
RE: Anti-Fascism as a Unifying Force - pbrower2a - 10-18-2016
(10-18-2016, 01:56 PM)Anthony Wrote: But these "fascists" are serving a very worthwhile purpose: They are taking votes away from the establishment, trickle-down/supply-side types, and that's helping progressives win. It's happening in Australia, where the "fascist" One Nation is siphoning votes from the Conservatives, allowing the Liberals to take advantage.
Luck. Pure luck.
Have you ever thought that those fascists might sell out to the Corporate Right in return for corrupting the Corporate Right. Fascists in power almost invariably sell out the interests of workers. Benito Mussolini's Stato Corporativo changed the basis or political representation into one in which economic interests got formal representation in some legislative body in which workers' interests were stepped on and the interests of big landowners, industrialists, financiers, and business executives invariably got the decisive level of power. Nazi Germany? Unions were allowed but those were run by partisan hacks of the Nazi regime.
We are not yet at the stage of the street brawl as a forum for political debate, but we are much closer to that than we were twenty years ago.
RE: Anti-Fascism as a Unifying Force - Bronsin - 10-19-2016
(10-18-2016, 06:05 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: We are not yet at the stage of the street brawl as a forum for political debate, but we are much closer to that than we were twenty years ago.
We are much closer to it than we were 8 years ago.
RE: Anti-Fascism as a Unifying Force - Bronsin - 10-19-2016
(10-11-2016, 11:45 AM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: My hope is that there will arise a Millennial dominated, new, anti-Fascist force.
You're going to have to weed out the one's that think Communism and Socialist Govt are the wave of the future first.
RE: Anti-Fascism as a Unifying Force - Anthony '58 - 10-19-2016
But none of these movements - One Nation in Australia, Five Star in Italy, the English Defence League in Britain, or Alternatives for Germany in that country - support trickle-down/supply-side; and while they are all virulently anti-Muslim, One Nation is not at all anti-aboriginal, nor EDL anti-Catholic, nor the core of the Trumpites anti-black (Trump in fact is going out of his way to studiously avoid attacking Black Lives Matter except with meaningless platitudes honoring the police).