Quote:In nearly half of two-parent households in the U.S. today, children are raised by parents who both work full time. Yet most Americans say that children with two parents are better off when one of them stays home to tend to the family, according to a Pew Research Center survey.

The survey, conducted June 7-July 5 among 4,602 adults on Pew Research Center’s nationally representative American Trends Panel, found that 59% of U.S. adults believe that children with two parents are better off when a parent stays home, while about four-in-ten (39%) say children are just as well off when their parents work outside the home...


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(10-15-2016, 05:55 PM)Dan Wrote: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/10/most-americans-say-children-are-better-off-with-a-parent-at-home/?utm_content=buffer6e0c9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Quote:In nearly half of two-parent households in the U.S. today, children are raised by parents who both work full time. Yet most Americans say that children with two parents are better off when one of them stays home to tend to the family, according to a Pew Research Center survey.

The survey, conducted June 7-July 5 among 4,602 adults on Pew Research Center’s nationally representative American Trends Panel, found that 59% of U.S. adults believe that children with two parents are better off when a parent stays home, while about four-in-ten (39%) say children are just as well off when their parents work outside the home...


http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/10/most-americans-say-children-are-better-off-with-a-parent-at-home/?utm_content=buffer6e0c9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

(10-17-2016, 11:11 AM)The Wonkette Wrote: I am bothered by the claims that "day care" is bad for children.  My daughter thrived in day care.  It exposed her to other children and it made the time that I spent with her special.  I can say the same regarding all of my nieces and nephews, now all grown, who are successful adults, most in good stable relationships (the exception is my 24-year-old nephew, who is still in the process of "adulting".

(10-17-2016, 11:11 AM)The Wonkette Wrote: I am bothered by the claims that "day care" is bad for children.  My daughter thrived in day care.  It exposed her to other children and it made the time that I spent with her special.  I can say the same regarding all of my nieces and nephews, now all grown, who are successful adults, most in good stable relationships (the exception is my 24-year-old nephew, who is still in the process of "adulting".

(10-17-2016, 03:21 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(10-17-2016, 12:23 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(10-17-2016, 11:11 AM)The Wonkette Wrote: I am bothered by the claims that "day care" is bad for children.  My daughter thrived in day care.  It exposed her to other children and it made the time that I spent with her special.  I can say the same regarding all of my nieces and nephews, now all grown, who are successful adults, most in good stable relationships (the exception is my 24-year-old nephew, who is still in the process of "adulting".

As with schooling, good day care can do wonders. But if it should be inadequate it can do great harm. We still under-spend on education for the kids who need it the most (the poor) or have such nightmarish institutions as the Detroit Independent School District that gets huge amounts of money, spends it recklessly, and gets a poor result due to corruption. Liquor on the expense account of school administrators? Seminars on educational techniques in Hawaii? Really!

The single mother collecting welfare (yes, this is a stereotype, but there are people who fit this pattern, and I know some people who fit the stereotype) who vegetates in front of an idiot screen while getting fat on junk food with little more to offer her children is far worse than what daycare has to offer. She might as well get a job in retail, domestic service, sweatshop manufacturing, or farm labor, and have her kids get some organized play and a little learning in day care. At least she will have a little more money to spend on hair-dressing and clothes... better this than exposing her kids to reality television in which a man calls his wife a slut and throws a chair at her boyfriend.

You didn't expect her to watch reruns of Downton Abbey, did you? Or have her kids listening to Beethoven's piano sonatas, did you? If her ideal is to expose her kids to life-enriching experiences she can do so more effectively in three hours in the evening than my stereotype can do in twelve. If she wants to expose kids to great art, music, and drama, maybe she should be a teacher.

(We really need to go to the 6-hour workday because about two hours of the 8-hour workday are typically wasted on office politics).

Be careful Pbrower. My mother raised me all on her own with no help from my asshole runaway father who should be the target of your scorn than the parent who bloody well stuck around and cared for their child. My mother could not get a job because of the law against her to leave me on my own. It was illegal. I pretty much destroyed the good part of her adult life because she had to care for me and she had to rely on welfare because at the time she could not get work because of that law. Daycare is expensive for a single mother just scraping by on welfare. Yes, be careful. Be VERY CAREFUL. I admire my mother for what she had to go through.

(10-17-2016, 12:23 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The single mother collecting welfare (yes, this is a stereotype, but there are people who fit this pattern, and I know some people who fit the stereotype) who vegetates in front of an idiot screen while getting fat on junk food with little more to offer her children is far worse than what daycare has to offer. She might as well get a job in retail, domestic service, sweatshop manufacturing, or farm labor, and have her kids get some organized play and a little learning in day care. At least she will have a little more money to spend on hair-dressing and clothes... better this than exposing her kids to reality television in which a man calls his wife a slut and throws a chair at her boyfriend.

(10-18-2016, 02:26 PM)The Wonkette Wrote:

(10-17-2016, 12:23 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The single mother collecting welfare (yes, this is a stereotype, but there are people who fit this pattern, and I know some people who fit the stereotype) who vegetates in front of an idiot screen while getting fat on junk food with little more to offer her children is far worse than what daycare has to offer. She might as well get a job in retail, domestic service, sweatshop manufacturing, or farm labor, and have her kids get some organized play and a little learning in day care. At least she will have a little more money to spend on hair-dressing and clothes... better this than exposing her kids to reality television in which a man calls his wife a slut and throws a chair at her boyfriend.

That stereotype is about 20 years out of date.  The number of single mothers on welfare is vanishingly small these days.  Cash benefits are time limited to 5 years nationally, and for 1-2 years in many states.  Welfare reform, coupled with work supports such as expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit, was very successful in moving single mothers to work; they now work at the same rate as single childless women.  Moreover, even if one is destitute because one can't find or keep a job, it can be extremely hard to actually access any cash benefits.  Just read Kathryn Edin's book "$2 a Day: Living Almost Nothing in America"  at http://www.twodollarsaday.com/.

(10-18-2016, 04:12 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(10-18-2016, 02:26 PM)The Wonkette Wrote:

(10-17-2016, 12:23 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The single mother collecting welfare (yes, this is a stereotype, but there are people who fit this pattern, and I know some people who fit the stereotype) who vegetates in front of an idiot screen while getting fat on junk food with little more to offer her children is far worse than what daycare has to offer. She might as well get a job in retail, domestic service, sweatshop manufacturing, or farm labor, and have her kids get some organized play and a little learning in day care. At least she will have a little more money to spend on hair-dressing and clothes... better this than exposing her kids to reality television in which a man calls his wife a slut and throws a chair at her boyfriend.

That stereotype is about 20 years out of date.  The number of single mothers on welfare is vanishingly small these days.  Cash benefits are time limited to 5 years nationally, and for 1-2 years in many states.  Welfare reform, coupled with work supports such as expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit, was very successful in moving single mothers to work; they now work at the same rate as single childless women.  Moreover, even if one is destitute because one can't find or keep a job, it can be extremely hard to actually access any cash benefits.  Just read Kathryn Edin's book "$2 a Day: Living Almost Nothing in America"  at http://www.twodollarsaday.com/.

Limiting the analysis to cash benefits leads to a misleading conclusion.  The Clinton era welfare reforms did limit cash benefits, but they have just been replaced by increases in other forms of benefits such as section 8 housing and food stamps.

More than 8 million children with single mothers get food stamps:

http://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/newsroom/releases/2015/cb15-16_graphic1.jpg

That's the opposite of "vanishingly small".

(10-19-2016, 07:09 AM)Odin Wrote:

(10-18-2016, 04:12 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(10-18-2016, 02:26 PM)The Wonkette Wrote:

(10-17-2016, 12:23 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The single mother collecting welfare (yes, this is a stereotype, but there are people who fit this pattern, and I know some people who fit the stereotype) who vegetates in front of an idiot screen while getting fat on junk food with little more to offer her children is far worse than what daycare has to offer. She might as well get a job in retail, domestic service, sweatshop manufacturing, or farm labor, and have her kids get some organized play and a little learning in day care. At least she will have a little more money to spend on hair-dressing and clothes... better this than exposing her kids to reality television in which a man calls his wife a slut and throws a chair at her boyfriend.

That stereotype is about 20 years out of date.  The number of single mothers on welfare is vanishingly small these days.  Cash benefits are time limited to 5 years nationally, and for 1-2 years in many states.  Welfare reform, coupled with work supports such as expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit, was very successful in moving single mothers to work; they now work at the same rate as single childless women.  Moreover, even if one is destitute because one can't find or keep a job, it can be extremely hard to actually access any cash benefits.  Just read Kathryn Edin's book "$2 a Day: Living Almost Nothing in America"  at http://www.twodollarsaday.com/.

Limiting the analysis to cash benefits leads to a misleading conclusion.  The Clinton era welfare reforms did limit cash benefits, but they have just been replaced by increases in other forms of benefits such as section 8 housing and food stamps.

More than 8 million children with single mothers get food stamps:

http://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/newsroom/releases/2015/cb15-16_graphic1.jpg

That's the opposite of "vanishingly small".

The vast majority of people on food stamps have a job, so if you are trying to imply that these people are lazy and unwilling to look for work you are wrong.

(10-19-2016, 08:32 AM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(10-19-2016, 07:09 AM)Odin Wrote:

(10-18-2016, 04:12 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(10-18-2016, 02:26 PM)The Wonkette Wrote:

(10-17-2016, 12:23 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The single mother collecting welfare (yes, this is a stereotype, but there are people who fit this pattern, and I know some people who fit the stereotype) who vegetates in front of an idiot screen while getting fat on junk food with little more to offer her children is far worse than what daycare has to offer. She might as well get a job in retail, domestic service, sweatshop manufacturing, or farm labor, and have her kids get some organized play and a little learning in day care. At least she will have a little more money to spend on hair-dressing and clothes... better this than exposing her kids to reality television in which a man calls his wife a slut and throws a chair at her boyfriend.

That stereotype is about 20 years out of date.  The number of single mothers on welfare is vanishingly small these days.  Cash benefits are time limited to 5 years nationally, and for 1-2 years in many states.  Welfare reform, coupled with work supports such as expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit, was very successful in moving single mothers to work; they now work at the same rate as single childless women.  Moreover, even if one is destitute because one can't find or keep a job, it can be extremely hard to actually access any cash benefits.  Just read Kathryn Edin's book "$2 a Day: Living Almost Nothing in America"  at http://www.twodollarsaday.com/.

Limiting the analysis to cash benefits leads to a misleading conclusion.  The Clinton era welfare reforms did limit cash benefits, but they have just been replaced by increases in other forms of benefits such as section 8 housing and food stamps.

More than 8 million children with single mothers get food stamps:

http://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/newsroom/releases/2015/cb15-16_graphic1.jpg

That's the opposite of "vanishingly small".

The vast majority of people on food stamps have a job, so if you are trying to imply that these people are lazy and unwilling to look for work you are wrong.

I notice you have no figures or references to back you up there.  At any rate, the assertion being rebutted is about how many single mothers are "on welfare", not whether they have a job.  Some have a job, some don't.