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4T Crisis = Climate Change - igranderojo - 09-03-2018
Assumptions:
America's 4T started about 2008 and will probably last until 2028.
The current crisis in 2018 appears to be the corrupt Trump administration, Trumps associates pleading guilty or on trial, and the investigation into the 2016 election hacking supported by Russia.
A non-profit, "The Climate Mobilization" ( https://www.theclimatemobilization.org ) is calling for a mobilization of America like the 1940s. Maybe Climate Change is part of the 4T crisis era that will mobilize society to change.
Maybe Climate Change results in an economic change like what happened to USA during 1940s.
Maybe Climate Change results in democratic values, the end of culture wars and unifying America against a common enemy.
The current Dems vs Reps, Trump vs Mueller, seems so small compared to a global crisis like climate change.
50% of Russian government revenues come from fossil fuels.
What crisis happens if the Russian government collapses when Europe and Asia suddenly stop buying fossil fuels?
RE: 4T Crisis = Climate Change - Hintergrund - 09-03-2018
There are interests against that.
RE: 4T Crisis = Climate Change - pbrower2a - 09-04-2018
If climate change is not dealt with in the immediate future, it will be a huge problem around 2100, which will likely correspond with another Crisis Era. Inundations of property will put huge stresses on governments to relocate people and economic resources. Because much of the world's food supplies now come from low-altitude flat lands, food stress could be a big problem. Add to this, agricultural belts will shift as climate belts shift. The potato belt could be pushed into the nutritive deserts of the current zones of taiga. Tropical diseases will start appearing in places not-so-tropical, like Kentucky and northern Italy, as winters become less severe. Tropical diseases are delicate things, either they or their vectors unable to withstand real winters.
Energy use that might decline due to more efficient use of vehicles and more efficient lighting will get a boost from air conditioning as Texas summers start appearing in Michigan and Minnesota.
Legal anarchy, mass dislocations, and stress from reduced supply of food will bring out the worst in human nature -- even pogroms and genocide. If you thought that Hitler-like figures were obsolete now, they might become much more relevant and dangerous around 2100.
RE: 4T Crisis = Climate Change - Eric the Green - 09-04-2018
(09-03-2018, 06:22 PM)igranderojo Wrote: Assumptions:
America's 4T started about 2008 and will probably last until 2028.
The current crisis in 2018 appears to be the corrupt Trump administration, Trumps associates pleading guilty or on trial, and the investigation into the 2016 election hacking supported by Russia.
A non-profit, "The Climate Mobilization" ( https://www.theclimatemobilization.org ) is calling for a mobilization of America like the 1940s. Maybe Climate Change is part of the 4T crisis era that will mobilize society to change.
Maybe Climate Change results in an economic change like what happened to USA during 1940s.
Maybe Climate Change results in democratic values, the end of culture wars and unifying America against a common enemy.
The current Dems vs Reps, Trump vs Mueller, seems so small compared to a global crisis like climate change.
50% of Russian government revenues come from fossil fuels.
What crisis happens if the Russian government collapses when Europe and Asia suddenly stop buying fossil fuels?
We need to start dealing with climate change in earnest in the 2020s, once we get a government back-- at least partially. We'll have to get any reforms made in this era past the Supreme Court, or go around it. And be clear about this: the climate crisis is not a crisis of ecology and weather, it is a political crisis of denialism perpetrated by the vested interests in the status quo of fossil fuels and government inaction. That means the Dems have to DEFEAT the Reps and kick them out of any power for good. Dems vs. Reps/Trumps/neo-fascism is not a distraction or a small version of the Crisis. It IS the Crisis, and will have very dire global impact if not dealt with in this 4T. Millennials will need to vote in midterms, and mobilize politically, in order to accomplish and sustain this effort. Civil war and polarization cannot be minimized possibilities in a fourth turning centered on domestic concerns, just like the one in circa 1850-1865. We will have to face it and take sides, and defeat the enemy. Again, that's the nature of 4Ts. It's too late just to wish our polarization away, or hope that it will go away if more Boomers die off. Most Xers and many if not most millennials are already committed to one side or the other.
Make no mistake, this is our new 4T mood. And it's not just about one issue, such as guns or climate change, but as broad as Matt Post says in his first couple of sentences here about why we "gather" here. And further on, "our nation's politics are sick with soullessness, but make no mistake, we are the cure. Is there a will to bring morality to this country's politics? If we sustain our efforts, who can stop us?"
The severe weather and flooding will get severe enough, probably, so that we'll see it as a crisis in the 2020s. The crisis won't go away after the 4T. But it's only in a 4T that society can mobilize around an issue and make institutional changes to deal with it. I agree, other changes will go along with it. Gun control, economic and social equity, and democratic reforms will be made. Since violent war is very likely in a 4T, violent rebels against gun control and taxes (represented here by Classic Xer, and in society by the Trumpists) will have to be defeated, as will the Supreme Court (packing it may be needed). It's likely that terrorists from abroad or Russian aggression will still catalyze more war abroad as well before this 4T is over. I expect any violent enemies along these lines will be defeated rather quickly.
That said, society can make some changes in a 2T as well, and this time, the green revolution cycle that began near the start of the previous 2T, will climax in the next one. So therefore, a whole lot will be done in the late 2040s as well. The changes will likely be thorough enough and innovative enough then so that the climate change crisis due in circa 2100 will be mitigated as much as is possible.
Another revolution cycle WILL begin around 2100. But what it will be about, or whether it will just be a cultural shift (as for example the Renaissance to the Baroque in circa 1600) is yet to be determined. Such a minimal 4T might be a possibility by that time, if our (formerly-called-western) civilization cycle has developed well enough by then, and the reactionaries have been put to bed. Obviously, I wouldn't count on it.
Obviously too, much more revolution is needed in many other countries, such as those in the Middle East, the CIS and Far East Asia, and so the Earth will shake with political upheaval in the late 2040s and around 2100, and to some extent in the period around 2070 as well. I would expect, therefore, that the double rhythm will apply again, and the next American 4T around 2100 will be foreign centered. It could develop into a real world crusade early in the 22nd century.
RE: 4T Crisis = Climate Change - Ragnarök_62 - 09-04-2018
(09-03-2018, 08:34 PM)Hintergrund Wrote: There are interests against that.
Yep.
Quote:Synonyms and Antonyms of consume
1 to destroy all trace ofSynonyms of consume
- massive fires had consumed hundreds of square miles of forest
devour, eat (up)
Words Related to consume
gut
deplete, drain, exhaust, expend, spend, use up
annihilate, decimate, demolish, desolate, devastate, do in, pulverize, raze, ruin, shatter, smash, tear down, waste, wreck
Now, add -er for consumer. Now take a look at who supports consumer-ism.
So, all it takes is to take a look at the who behind the ideology. . Hint: Neoliberalism is essentially a driver for the sub ideology. Consumerism is also the reigning religion in the United States. Black Friday is the holy day, our mouse clicks, our catechisms, our shopping areas the temples, and the ads the holy scriptures.So, repent ye debt serfs, don't buy the latest version of the Ishit from the shrine of waste. Throw off your shackles of bondage and forgo Black Friday, Use thy brain and sift wants from needs. Take thy next exit from the rat race. Turn on, tune in, drop out.
--- Rev Rags
RE: 4T Crisis = Climate Change - pbrower2a - 12-31-2019
Many of us see a new pattern. As housing space (the one thing soaring most rapidly in cost) shrinks, people must start asking themselves not only whether they want something and can afford it, but also whether they want to keep it. Things that might seem precious can multiply and become clutter because people end up buying related stuff.
It is tempting to buy stuff because it is inexpensive and seems a bargain... but blank space at least gives the illusion of room. Clutter is in bad taste no matter how expensive it is as a purchase.