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RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Bob Butler 54 - 06-29-2020

(06-29-2020, 10:42 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(06-29-2020, 09:58 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: ...  I count the progressive era as lasting from FDR to LBJ.  The conservative era runs from Nixon to hopefully Trump.  LBJ by going after the black vote ended the time that America was Great.

Hopefully, the current rejection of racist violent policing marks a time where this might turn around.

I actually push the Progressive era through Carter, but that's it!  Nixon was a scumbag, but he created the Environmental Protection Agency and opened the door to China.  That has to count for something. Carter made the tragic error of being in the job at the wrong point in history.

The disasters, in terms of Watergate and the Fall of Saigon, started on Nixon's watch.  America failing started a bit earlier.  Still, it seems traditional that everything can be argued about here.


RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Ragnarök_62 - 06-30-2020

(06-29-2020, 05:39 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(06-29-2020, 10:42 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(06-29-2020, 09:58 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: ...  I count the progressive era as lasting from FDR to LBJ.  The conservative era runs from Nixon to hopefully Trump.  LBJ by going after the black vote ended the time that America was Great.

Hopefully, the current rejection of racist violent policing marks a time where this might turn around.

I actually push the Progressive era through Carter, but that's it!  Nixon was a scumbag, but he created the Environmental Protection Agency and opened the door to China.  That has to count for something. Carter made the tragic error of being in the job at the wrong point in history.

The disasters, in terms of Watergate and the Fall of Saigon, started on Nixon's watch.  America failing started a bit earlier.  Still, it seems traditional that everything can be argued about here.

I'd say the ongoing collapse [a process, not an event] started in 1973 with the oil shock, add 1979, the de-industrialization from the mid 1970's through the 1980's. The 1980's-2008 was a fake debt fueled boom. The DNC forsook it's FDR roots with Clinton and joined the Neoliberal duopoly. This undermined what safety nets we have.  Next is the deficient provision of public goods which has now led to the US utterly exposed to Covid-19, where hey, we're number 1.  USA, USA! Number 1 at last in something. Covid-19 cases, woo-hoo. And for a nice big fat cherry on top, citizens united which legalized bribery.


RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Bob Butler 54 - 06-30-2020

(06-30-2020, 08:21 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:
(06-29-2020, 05:39 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(06-29-2020, 10:42 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(06-29-2020, 09:58 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: ...  I count the progressive era as lasting from FDR to LBJ.  The conservative era runs from Nixon to hopefully Trump.  LBJ by going after the black vote ended the time that America was Great.

Hopefully, the current rejection of racist violent policing marks a time where this might turn around.

I actually push the Progressive era through Carter, but that's it!  Nixon was a scumbag, but he created the Environmental Protection Agency and opened the door to China.  That has to count for something. Carter made the tragic error of being in the job at the wrong point in history.

The disasters, in terms of Watergate and the Fall of Saigon, started on Nixon's watch.  America failing started a bit earlier.  Still, it seems traditional that everything can be argued about here.

I'd say the ongoing collapse [a process, not an event] started in 1973 with the oil shock, add 1979, the de-industrialization from the mid 1970's through the 1980's. The 1980's-2008 was a fake debt fueled boom. The DNC forsook it's FDR roots with Clinton and joined the Neoliberal duopoly. This undermined what safety nets we have.  Next is the deficient provision of public goods which has now led to the US utterly exposed to Covid-19, where hey, we're number 1.  USA, USA! Number 1 at last in something. Covid-19 cases, woo-hoo. And for a nice big fat cherry on top, citizens united which legalized bribery.

I'm not sure you correctly pinpointed where it all started, but I can include everything you listed in the list of disasters.


RE: Generational Dynamics World View - John J. Xenakis - 07-01-2020

*** 2-Jul-20 World View -- China passes Hong Kong Security Law, arrests hundreds of peaceful protesters

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com
  • China passes Hong Kong Security Law, arrests hundreds of peaceful protesters
  • Terms of the Hong Kong National Security Law
  • Ladakh: India - China - Pakistan military buildup continues

****
**** China passes Hong Kong Security Law, arrests hundreds of peaceful protesters
****


[Image: g200701b.jpg]
A protester displays the (British) Hong Kong colonial flag on Wednesday. Under the new law, he could be sent to jail for 5 or more years. (AP)

China's National People's Congress in Beijing rubber-stamped a harsh
Hong Kong National Security Law on Tuesday, and on Wednesday arrested
over 300 peaceful protesters in Hong Kong.

On Wednesday, the Hong Kong police bragged about their first arrest on
Twitter:

<QUOTE>"#BREAKING: A man was arrested for holding a
#HKIndependence flag in #CausewayBay, Hong Kong, violating the
#NationalSecurityLaw. This is the first arrest made since the law
has come into force.

— Hong Kong Police Force (@hkpoliceforce) July 1,
2020"<END QUOTE>


So someone was carrying a "Hong Kong Independence" flag. According to
the new National Security Law, he will be in jail for 5-10 years.

The new law marks an end to the "one nation, two systems" doctrine
that the Chinese Communist Party had committed to until 2047. It also
means that China is repudiating the international commitments that it
made when the UK handed Hong Kong over to China in 1997.

This is nothing new. The CCP consider themselves to be the Master
Race, and everyone else to be barbarians, as I described in detail in
my book, "War Between China and Japan." Their officials take pleasure
in lying, knowing that the useful idiots in the Western mainstream
media will simply repeat them as if they were true. They commit to
international agreements, knowing that they're so superior, they can
simply ignore the commitments they've made.

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said in a statement:

<QUOTE>"No reasonable person can assert today that Hong Kong
maintains a high degree of autonomy from China, given facts on the
ground.

Hong Kong and its dynamic, enterprising, and free people have
flourished for decades as a bastion of liberty, and this decision
gives me no pleasure. But sound policy making requires a
recognition of reality. While the United States once hoped that
free and prosperous Hong Kong would provide a model for
authoritarian China, it is now clear that China is modeling Hong
Kong after itself."<END QUOTE>


Pompeo's statement is an official government assessment that
Hong Kong will no longer be assured of receiving special considerations,
such as exemptions from tariffs imposed on Chinese goods. However,
those decisions have not yet been made.

****
**** Terms of the Hong Kong National Security Law
****


There are harsh penalties -- prison terms of 5 or 10 years or life --
for anything that fits into any one of several categories: secession,
subversion, terrorist activities, or collusion with a foreign country.

However, each of these categories is ill-defined, and so they can
be applied in any way. Simply criticizing a CCP policy could be
interpreted as subversion, for example, just as carrying an "Indpendence"
flag makes you guilty of criminal secession.

The CCP will set up its own security forces in Hong Kong, and its own
courts, with judges that it appoints. Defendants can be deported
to the mainland for trial or jailing there.

The law applies to anyone, anywhere in the world, including Americans.
This may seem strange, but it's quite consistent with the CCP view
that they're the Master Race, and the rest of the world are
barbarians.

Listening to analysts and CCP stooges today, it's pretty clear that
the CCP has had a fundamental change of attitude. In the past,
they've made concessions to the West to avoid criticisms. But what
now seems clear is that they no longer care what anyone in west
thinks. They will do whatever they want in Hong Kong, just as they've
illegally annexed and militarized the South China Sea, just as they've
arrested, jailed, tortured and enslaved millions of Uighurs -- and
they won't be deterred by anything, certainly not by a statement by
Mike Pompeo.

The CCP believes that by enforcing this new law in the harshest
possible way, then the pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong will settle
down, and Hong Kong will be fully compliant within a year. History
and Generational Dynamics do not support this view.

****
**** Ladakh: India - China - Pakistan military buildup continues
****


Although there haven't been a new military clashes between Indian
and Chinese soldiers in Ladakh on the China-India border,
military buildups continue on both sides.

As I've written in the past, the Ladakh military clash is remarkably
similar to the military clash between Japanese and Chinese soldiers in
1937 in the Marco Polo Bridge Incident. The clash was resolved
quickly, but both sides brought in reinforcements. Within a month
there was full-scale war, leading to the Japanese "Rape of Nanking"
shortly thereafter. ( "13-Jun-20 World View -- China and India mobilize thousands of troops along border in Ladakh"
)

With both sides bringing reinforcements into Ladakh, the situation
is very similar.

Here are some recent developments, according to Indian media (Chinese
media is remaining quiet):
  • China is massing troops in Galwan Valley, which China is
    claiming as its sovereign territory for the first time. ( "25-Jun-20 World View -- Both India and China reinforce armies in Ladakh, as China makes new claim"
    )

  • India is sending a dozen steel patrol boats to Ladakh’s Pangong
    Tso lake, to counter the Chinese Army lake fleet.

  • Pakistan has moved almost 20,000 troops into Ladakh, to match
    Chinese deployments. India is preparing for a two-front war
    with Pakistan and China.

  • India will deploy Barak-8 medium-range surface-to-air missile
    systems, on loan from Israel.

John Xenakis is author of: "World View: War Between China and Japan:
Why America Must Be Prepared" (Generational Theory Book Series, Book
2), June 2019, Paperback: 331 pages, with over 200 source references,
$13.99 https://www.amazon.com/World-View-Between-Prepared-Generational/dp/1732738637/

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RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Bob Butler 54 - 07-03-2020

(07-01-2020, 09:01 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: As I've written in the past, the Ladakh military clash is remarkably similar to the military clash between Japanese and Chinese soldiers in 1937 in the Marco Polo Bridge Incident.  The clash was resolved quickly, but both sides brought in reinforcements.  Within a month there was full-scale war, leading to the Japanese "Rape of Nanking" shortly thereafter.

With both sides bringing reinforcements into Ladakh, the situation is very similar.

It is very similar on the aggreomania front. Unless it is a bargaining ploy, the Chinese pushing the LAC line forward is discouraging, as is their shift to real modern weapons from improvised muscle powered ones.

Not so similar on the war is a racket front. They are not fighting to win anything valuable. There is nothing like the decision of Japan to become a colonial power in the old days, and thus have hyper aggressive troops.


RE: Generational Dynamics World View - John J. Xenakis - 07-03-2020

** 03-Jul-2020 World View: India's Modi attacks China over Ladakh

[Image: prime-minister-narendra-modi-addresses-s...a9a9e5.jpg]
  • India's prime minister Nahendra Modi raising his fist during
    a speech to Ladakh troops on Friday


India's prime minister Nahendra Modi's speech on Friday has to be
considered another important escalation in the Ladakh confrontation
with China, at least a political escalation.

Up until now, Modi has been very careful not to criticize or blame
China for the June 15 clash between Chinese and Indian army forces in
Ladakh, on the border between the two countries, even though Chinese
soldiers killed 20 Indian soldiers using barbarous weapons, including
iron rods studded with nails.

In fact, in one earlier statement, Modi said that no Chinese soldiers
had crossed the border onto Indian soil. This statement was supposed
to ease things diplomatically, but it backfired. It infuriated the
families of the Indian soldiers who had been killed by Chinese
soldiers, fighting on Indian soil, as well as other Indian soldiers.
It was also quoted by Chinese media as proof that the clash was all
India's fault. It also outraged Modi's opposition.

So on Friday, Modi paid a surprise visit to Ladakh, and spoke to the
soldiers. He did not name China, but it was clear who he was talking
about:

Quote:> "Your bravery and your dedication to safeguard mother
> India’s honour is not comparable. Your endurance is not inferior
> to anyone in the world. No one in the world can compete with the
> tough situations and the heights you embrace while serving mother
> India. Your courage is taller than the heights you are deployed
> in. Your resolve is stronger than the valleys you walk every day
> and your arms are as strong as the rocks that surround you. The
> strength of your will is indomitable like the mountains around
> you. I can feel it and see it today, as I am amongst you. ...

> India is increasing its strength in all three realms of water, air
> and land guided by the principle of the wellbeing of the entire
> mankind. When India is developing modern weaponry and bringing the
> latest technology for its armed forces, then the message behind is
> driven by the well being of humanity. ...

> Age of expansionism is over, now, is the age of development. The
> policy of development is the foundation of mankind and is the only
> policy relevant today. History has witnessed that the expansionist
> policy has hurt humanity the most. Expansionist policy has always
> threatened world peace. History has witnessed that such forces
> have either lost or were forced to turn back. This is what the
> world has experienced so far and it has once again made up its
> mind against the policy of expansion."

> https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/top-10-quotes-from-pm-modi-s-address-to-soldiers-of-indian-army-in-ladakh/story-rxh3RmtJAG7jpDD2CSnaKO.html

To support Modi's speech, the Hindustan Times published a list
of 21 border disputes that China is currently involved in. It
seems that China is claiming sovereignty over some or all of
the land of every country in the region:

Quote:> "China's 21 border disputes

> Xi Jinping’s China has territorial disputes with 20 more
> countries, not just India over Ladakh

> President Donald Trump on Thursday [1]waded right in the middle of
> India’s dispute with China, asserting that Beijing’s aggressive
> stance in Ladakh fits with the larger pattern of Chinese
> aggression in other parts of the world. President Trump’s office
> did not elaborate on China’s aggression elsewhere but is seen as a
> clear reference to Beijing’s efforts to enlarge its position on
> border disputes. US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo had recently
> called it China’s “rogue attitude” as he announced the movement of
> US supercarriers in the Indo Pacific region to counter China’s
> aggressive posture.

> According to Beijing watchers, China has traditionally suffered
> from xenophobia against foreigners. The Middle Kingdom’s fears
> were exacerbated in the past two centuries as a result of which
> China believes that it is the only civilizational power in the
> world and the rest are either tributary states or barbarians.

> China has had territorial disputes with 21 neighbours including
> India over its claims on land and sea. Here is a complete list of
> its disputes.

> Brunei

> China claims the southern part of the Spratly Islands
> chain. Brunei, on the other hand, claims part of South China Sea
> nearest to it as part of its continental shelf and Exclusive
> Economic Zone

> Philippines

> China and Philippines disagree over parts of the South China Sea
> including the Spratly Islands. Philippines took the dispute to the
> International Court of Justice where they won the case but the
> Chinese side did not abide by the order of the ICJ. Tensions have
> continued between the two countries despite economic incentives
> offered by China.

> Indonesia

> China’s nine-dash line overlaps the Natuna Sea/Exclusive Economic
> Zone of Indonesia leading to disputes. China claims fishing rights
> in waters near the islands. Indonesia government argues that
> China’s claims are not recognised under the 1982 United Nations
> Convention on the Law of the Sea. Indonesia irked China in July
> 2017 when it renamed parts of the South China Sea as North Natuna
> Sea to underscore its claim.

> Malaysia

> China’s dispute with Malaysia also revolves around parts of the
> South China Sea, particularly the Spratly Islands. Its claims
> cover only islands included in its Exclusive Economic Zone of 200
> miles as defined by the UN Convention on the Law of the
> Sea. Malaysia has a military presence on three such islands that
> it considers to be part of the continental shelf.

> Singapore

> Singapore is not a claimant state in the South China Sea disputes
> but is closely aligned to the United States and allows the
> presence of US naval forces in Singaporean waters. It does not
> want to antagonise China by openly taking sides though it does
> advocate freedom of navigation and resolution of all disputes in
> line with the UN Convention of Law of the Seas.

> Laos

> China claims large areas of Laos on historical precedent of
> China’s Yuan Dynasty during 1271-1368

> Cambodia

> China has, on occasions, claimed part of the country on historical
> precedent (China’s Ming dynasty 1368-1644)

> Thailand

> Thailand opposes China’s dredging on the Mekong River since 2001
> for large ships to carry goods from its landlocked Yunnan province
> to ports in Thailand, Laos and remaining southeast Asia. China has
> also built hydropower dams on the main stream of the Mekong River,
> altering the natural flood-drought cycle, affecting ecosystems as
> well as economies of countries on the lower Mekong River.

> The Thai Cabinet scrapped a Chinese-led dredging project in
> February 2020 to blast rapids on the Mekong river. This had
> already led to fall in water levels and fers that it would lead to
> drought and affect 6 million people in Myanmar, Thailand, Laos,
> Cambodia and Vietnam

> Japan

> Japan’s dispute with China centers around South China Sea,
> particularly Senkaku Islands, Ryukyu Islands and the overlapping
> Air Defence Identification Zone and Exclusive Economic Zone in the
> East China Sea

> Vietnam

> Vietnam, which fought a bloody war with China in 1979 when Beijing
> tried to teach its former ally a lesson, has stood its ground on
> its territorial claims over parts of the South China Sea, and the
> Macclesfield Bank, Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands. Last
> month, a Chinese ship rammed a Vietnamese fishing boat operating
> in the Paracel Islands that was seen as an effort by Beijing to
> flex muscles to enforce a unilateral fishing ban in parts of the
> South China Sea against vessels from another nation.

> India

> China occupies 38,000 sq km Indian territory in the Aksai Chin
> region apart from staking claim on Arunachal Pradesh and
> Ladakh. It was this expansionist policy that led to the ongoing
> standoff between the Indian Army and the Chinese PLA that
> escalated into a violent scrap in Ladakh’s Galwan valley. Another
> 5,163 sq km of Shaksgam valley was illegally ceded by Pakistan to
> China in 1963. Hence, the total Indian territory occupied by China
> is over 43 ,000 sq km.

> Nepal

> Nepal and China have pending border issues over three boundary
> pillars in Dolakha and two in the vicinity of Mt Everest. There
> have, however, been reports that China has illegally occupied
> strategic land at 12 places across Nepal. China has also claimed
> part of Nepal dating back to the Sino-Nepalese war in 1788-1792,
> claiming that some parts of Nepal are part of Tibet and therefore,
> part of China.

> Taiwan

> China claims all of Taiwan but particular disputes are
> Macclesfield Bank, Paracel Islands Scarborough Shoal, part of
> South China Sea and the Spratly Islands. The Paracel Islands, also
> called Xisha Islands in zvietnamese, is a group of islands in the
> South China Sea whose sovereignty is disputed.

> North Korea

> The two countries have a continuing dispute over Mount Paektu and
> Yalu and Tuman rivers. China has also claimed Baekhu Mountain and
> Jiandao. Beijing has, on occasions, claimed all of North Korea on
> historical grounds (Yuan Dynasty 1271-1368)

> South Korea

> South Korea and China have an overlapping Air Defence
> Identification Zone and a continuing Exclusive Economic Zone
> dispute over Leodo (Socotra Rock) in the East China Sea. China has
> also, on occasions, claimed entire South Korea on historical
> grounds (Yuan Dynasty 1271-1368)

> Mongolia

> China and Mongolia have settled their boundary dispute but China
> has claimed all of Mongolia on historical precedent (Yuan Dynasty
> 1271-1368).

> Bhutan

> Bhutanese enclaves in Tibet, namely Cherkip, Gompa, Dho, Dungmar,
> Gesur, Gezon, Itse Gompa, Khochar, Nyanri, Ringung, Sanmar,
> Tarchen and Zuthulphuk. Bhutan has lost a substantial chunk of
> area under dispute including the Kula Kangri peak to slow
> encroachments by China. Beijing claims Kula Kangri and
> mountainous areas to the west of this peak in addition to the
> western Haa district of Bhutan.

> Tajikistan

> The two sides have a bilateral dispute dating back to 1884 when a
> border demarcation agreement between the Qing Dynasty and Tsarist
> Russia left large segments of the frontier in the
> sparsely-populated eastern Pamirs without a clear definition.

> The Chinese claims are based on historical precedent (Qing Dynasty
> 1644-1912).

> In 1991, Tajikistan inherited from the Soviet Union three disputed
> border segments constituting about 28,000 sq km which China and
> the Soviet Union had been unable to resolve.

> In 1999, Tajikistan and China signed a border demarcation
> agreement defining the border in two of the three segments. Under
> this deal, Tajikistan ceded about 200 sw km lands to China. In
> 2002, Tajikistan agreed to cede 1,122 sq km or about four percent
> of the territory that Beijing had claimed. China has, in all,
> settled for 3.5 per cent of the claimed territory.

> Kazakhstan

> China has laid claim to a territory in Kazakhstan stretching from
> Semirechie to Lake Balkhash covering 34,000 sq km. In May 2020, a
> Chinese website ‘Sohu.com’ published an article claiming that
> Kazakhstan is located on territories that historically belong to
> China.

> China has settled for 22 per cent of its claim over Kazakh
> territory. Despite a border demarcation treaty with China in 1994
> and claim by Kazakh state media that the Kazakhstan government had
> succeeded in retaining 56.9 percent of the disputed territory,
> critics had opined that the remaining 43.1 per cent of the land
> also belonged to Kazakhstan for which a new deal should be signed.

> Kyrgyzstan

> China lays claim to the whole of Kyrgyz territory. In May 2020,
> Chinese website tutiao.com published an article on such a claim
> and argued that under the Han Dynasty, the entire Kyrgyz territory
> was part of the Chinese mainland before the Russian empire
> captured it.

> Chia has settled for 32 percent of its claim over Kyrgyz
> territory. Under the 1999 agreement, Kyrgyzstan handed over 1,250
> sq km to China.

> Russia

> Despite signing bilateral agreements in 1991 and 1994 to delimit
> the estern and wester section of the Russia-China border, a few
> sectors remain unresolved. There are 160,000 sq km still
> unilaterally claimed by China despite signing several agreements.

> In October 2004, the 4,300 sq border was finally demarcated in its
> entirety, thus resolving a 300-year-old territorial dispute.

> In 2005, the Russian Parliament ratified the agreement in 2008, a
> part of the Abagaitu Islet, the entire Tarabarov Bolshoi Ussuriysk
> Island and some adjacent river islets were handed over to China."

> https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/donald-trump-spotted-a-pattern-in-china-s-standoff-with-india-here-are-21-reasons/story-nJS76GTlHlssm1tB9q5NAN.html



RE: Generational Dynamics World View - John J. Xenakis - 07-04-2020

*** 5-Jul-20 World View -- Gleeful China wins big Hong Kong victory at UN Human Rights Council

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com
  • Gleeful China wins big Hong Kong victory at UN Human Rights Council
  • Rogue's gallery of international criminals support China
  • Most Western countries condemn China's human rights record
  • India's list of China's border disagreements

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**** Gleeful China wins big Hong Kong victory at UN Human Rights Council
****


[Image: g200704b.jpg]
World map showing countries defending or criticizing China's human rights record (Axios)

Communist China's state media are claiming a major victory in the
United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHCR) when 53 countries
supported China's human rights record in Hong Kong, and only 27
members opposed it.

The United Kingdom called for the vote to condemn China's human rights
record in Hong Kong, after Chinese Communist Party (CCP) implemented a
new Hong Kong Security Law that imposes harsh restrictions on freedom.
For example, a person can be arrested and jailed for 5 years to life
for merely criticizing a CCP policy or action.

The CCP action violates the commitment that China made to Britain
in a 1984 agreement that was registered with the UN. The commitment
was that after Britain handed its Hong Kong colony over the China in 1997,
China would guarantee a high degree of freedom and autonomy in
Hong Kong for 50 years, until 2047.

For many years, the US, UK and other Western nations have ignored or
overlooked human rights violations in China. However, the violations
have become extrement egregious since the rise of dictator Xi Jinping.
The CCP has also committed many other human rights violations,
including arresting, torturing and enslaving millions of Muslim
Uighurs in East Turkestan (Xinjiang province), as well as arresting
and torturing Buddhists in Tibet and Christians anywhere who simply
pray to Jesus. The CCP thugs claim that they're the Master Race and
all the rest of us are barbarians, but every day the CCP proves that
we in the West are far superior, and the CCP thugs are barbarians with
an IQ of 50, with no capability other than to bluster and kill.

And we have to mention that the CCP apes are so stupid that they
didn't stop the Wuhan Coronavirus when they could have, but instead
let it spread, and then purposely seeded the virus into dozens of
other countries, something they continue to believe is a victory for
China.

So the CCP media is quite gleeful about their victory in the
UNHCR. According to the puppet media Global Times:

<QUOTE>"A total of 53 countries supported China's national
security law for Hong Kong at the 44th Session of the United
Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC) in Geneva on Tuesday,
triumphing over 27 members that attacked and called for harsh
measures against China over issues involving Hong Kong, Xinjiang
and Tibet.

The landslide victory was seen by experts as showing that China's
achievements in human rights have won more supporters and become
known by wider audiences. The double standards of some Western
countries that tried to politicize the UNHRC and to use human
rights-related issues as weapons to attack China, brought
themselves more criticism within the international
community."<END QUOTE>


****
**** Rogue's gallery of international criminals support China
****


The people supporting China's human rights record form an interesting
rogue's gallery of countries, many with their own devastating human
rights record.

Some are brutal dictatorships that torture, jail and arrest political
opponents and journalists: Cuba, Cambodia, Cameroon, Egypt, Iran,
Venezuela, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Syria and others.

Some, like China, are currently committing genocide and ethnic
cleansing, or have done so recently: Myanmar (Burma), Syria,
Zimbabwe, Burundi, Cambodia, and others.

Belarus is the only European country supporting China.

The vast majority -- over 40 -- are part of China's Belt and Road
Infrastructure (BRI) project. China has been using "debt trap
diplomacy" on these projects and now, particularly in Africa, many
countries can no longer make their debt payments, thanks to Wuhan
Virus lockdowns and downturns. So these countries are at China's
mercy and they have no choice but to do as their Chinese puppetmasters
tell them.

The complete list of countries supporting China are:

China, Antigua and Barbuda, Bahrain, Belarus, Burundi,
Cambodia, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Comoros,
Congo-Brazzaville, Cuba, Djibouti, Dominica, Egypt, Equatorial
Guinea, Eritrea, Gabon, Gambia, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Iran, Iraq,
Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Lesotho, Mauritania, Morocco, Mozambique,
Myanmar, Nepal, Nicaragua, Niger, North Korea, Oman, Pakistan,
Palestine, Papua New Guinea, Saudi Arabia, Sierra Leone, Somalia,
South Sudan, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Syria, Tajikistan, Togo,
UAE, Venezuela, Yemen, Zambia and Zimbabwe.

****
**** Most Western countries condemn China's human rights record
****


Many countries did not vote at all. The United States did not
vote because it is no longer a member of the UNHCR, after withdrawing
in 2018 because the agency is too political -- which is pretty
obvious from this latest vote.

European countries voted overwhelmingly to support the condemnation of
China's human rights record. However, Spain, Italy and Poland
abstained, which analysts say shows that there is no coherent European
policy when it comes to China. That's no surprise.

Here's a list of the countries that voted to condemn China's
human rights policy:

Australia, Austria, Belgium, Belize, Canada, Denmark, Estonia,
Finland, France, Iceland, Ireland, Germany, Japan, Latvia,
Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Marshall Islands, Netherlands,
New Zealand, Norway, Palau, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland,
United Kingdom.

****
**** India's list of China's border disagreements
****


While we're making reference lists of countries that support or
condemn China's human rights policies, this is a good time to re-post
a list of China's border conflicts, according to Indian media.

On Friday, India's prime minister paid a surprise visit to
the troops in Ladakh, facing the Chinese troops on the other side
of the border. Modi gave a speech to the troops, including
the following:

<QUOTE>"Age of expansionism is over, now, is the age of
development. The policy of development is the foundation of
mankind and is the only policy relevant today. History has
witnessed that the expansionist policy has hurt humanity the
most. Expansionist policy has always threatened world
peace. History has witnessed that such forces have either lost or
were forced to turn back. This is what the world has experienced
so far and it has once again made up its mind against the policy
of expansion."<END QUOTE>


Modi didn't mention China, but it's obvious that's who he meant. In
response, the Hindustan Times posted the list of China's 21 border
conflicts. The following is the list:

<QUOTE>"China's 21 border disputes

Xi Jinping’s China has territorial disputes with 20 more
countries, not just India over Ladakh

President Donald Trump on Thursday waded right in the middle of
India’s dispute with China, asserting that Beijing’s aggressive
stance in Ladakh fits with the larger pattern of Chinese
aggression in other parts of the world. President Trump’s office
did not elaborate on China’s aggression elsewhere but is seen as a
clear reference to Beijing’s efforts to enlarge its position on
border disputes. US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo had recently
called it China’s “rogue attitude” as he announced the movement of
US supercarriers in the Indo Pacific region to counter China’s
aggressive posture.

According to Beijing watchers, China has traditionally suffered
from xenophobia against foreigners. The Middle Kingdom’s fears
were exacerbated in the past two centuries as a result of which
China believes that it is the only civilizational power in the
world and the rest are either tributary states or barbarians.

China has had territorial disputes with 21 neighbours including
India over its claims on land and sea. Here is a complete list of
its disputes.

Brunei

China claims the southern part of the Spratly Islands
chain. Brunei, on the other hand, claims part of South China Sea
nearest to it as part of its continental shelf and Exclusive
Economic Zone

Philippines

China and Philippines disagree over parts of the South China Sea
including the Spratly Islands. Philippines took the dispute to the
International Court of Justice where they won the case but the
Chinese side did not abide by the order of the ICJ. Tensions have
continued between the two countries despite economic incentives
offered by China.

Indonesia

China’s nine-dash line overlaps the Natuna Sea/Exclusive Economic
Zone of Indonesia leading to disputes. China claims fishing rights
in waters near the islands. Indonesia government argues that
China’s claims are not recognised under the 1982 United Nations
Convention on the Law of the Sea. Indonesia irked China in July
2017 when it renamed parts of the South China Sea as North Natuna
Sea to underscore its claim.

Malaysia

China’s dispute with Malaysia also revolves around parts of the
South China Sea, particularly the Spratly Islands. Its claims
cover only islands included in its Exclusive Economic Zone of 200
miles as defined by the UN Convention on the Law of the
Sea. Malaysia has a military presence on three such islands that
it considers to be part of the continental shelf.

Singapore

Singapore is not a claimant state in the South China Sea disputes
but is closely aligned to the United States and allows the
presence of US naval forces in Singaporean waters. It does not
want to antagonise China by openly taking sides though it does
advocate freedom of navigation and resolution of all disputes in
line with the UN Convention of Law of the Seas.

Laos

China claims large areas of Laos on historical precedent of
China’s Yuan Dynasty during 1271-1368

Cambodia

China has, on occasions, claimed part of the country on historical
precedent (China’s Ming dynasty 1368-1644)

Thailand

Thailand opposes China’s dredging on the Mekong River since 2001
for large ships to carry goods from its landlocked Yunnan province
to ports in Thailand, Laos and remaining southeast Asia. China has
also built hydropower dams on the main stream of the Mekong River,
altering the natural flood-drought cycle, affecting ecosystems as
well as economies of countries on the lower Mekong River.

The Thai Cabinet scrapped a Chinese-led dredging project in
February 2020 to blast rapids on the Mekong river. This had
already led to fall in water levels and fers that it would lead to
drought and affect 6 million people in Myanmar, Thailand, Laos,
Cambodia and Vietnam

Japan

Japan’s dispute with China centers around South China Sea,
particularly Senkaku Islands, Ryukyu Islands and the overlapping
Air Defence Identification Zone and Exclusive Economic Zone in the
East China Sea

Vietnam

Vietnam, which fought a bloody war with China in 1979 when Beijing
tried to teach its former ally a lesson, has stood its ground on
its territorial claims over parts of the South China Sea, and the
Macclesfield Bank, Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands. Last
month, a Chinese ship rammed a Vietnamese fishing boat operating
in the Paracel Islands that was seen as an effort by Beijing to
flex muscles to enforce a unilateral fishing ban in parts of the
South China Sea against vessels from another nation.

India

China occupies 38,000 sq km Indian territory in the Aksai Chin
region apart from staking claim on Arunachal Pradesh and
Ladakh. It was this expansionist policy that led to the ongoing
standoff between the Indian Army and the Chinese PLA that
escalated into a violent scrap in Ladakh’s Galwan valley. Another
5,163 sq km of Shaksgam valley was illegally ceded by Pakistan to
China in 1963. Hence, the total Indian territory occupied by China
is over 43 ,000 sq km.

Nepal

Nepal and China have pending border issues over three boundary
pillars in Dolakha and two in the vicinity of Mt Everest. There
have, however, been reports that China has illegally occupied
strategic land at 12 places across Nepal. China has also claimed
part of Nepal dating back to the Sino-Nepalese war in 1788-1792,
claiming that some parts of Nepal are part of Tibet and therefore,
part of China.

Taiwan

China claims all of Taiwan but particular disputes are
Macclesfield Bank, Paracel Islands Scarborough Shoal, part of
South China Sea and the Spratly Islands. The Paracel Islands, also
called Xisha Islands in zvietnamese, is a group of islands in the
South China Sea whose sovereignty is disputed.

North Korea

The two countries have a continuing dispute over Mount Paektu and
Yalu and Tuman rivers. China has also claimed Baekhu Mountain and
Jiandao. Beijing has, on occasions, claimed all of North Korea on
historical grounds (Yuan Dynasty 1271-1368)

South Korea

South Korea and China have an overlapping Air Defence
Identification Zone and a continuing Exclusive Economic Zone
dispute over Leodo (Socotra Rock) in the East China Sea. China has
also, on occasions, claimed entire South Korea on historical
grounds (Yuan Dynasty 1271-1368)

Mongolia

China and Mongolia have settled their boundary dispute but China
has claimed all of Mongolia on historical precedent (Yuan Dynasty
1271-1368).

Bhutan

Bhutanese enclaves in Tibet, namely Cherkip, Gompa, Dho, Dungmar,
Gesur, Gezon, Itse Gompa, Khochar, Nyanri, Ringung, Sanmar,
Tarchen and Zuthulphuk. Bhutan has lost a substantial chunk of
area under dispute including the Kula Kangri peak to slow
encroachments by China. Beijing claims Kula Kangri and
mountainous areas to the west of this peak in addition to the
western Haa district of Bhutan.

Tajikistan

The two sides have a bilateral dispute dating back to 1884 when a
border demarcation agreement between the Qing Dynasty and Tsarist
Russia left large segments of the frontier in the
sparsely-populated eastern Pamirs without a clear definition.

The Chinese claims are based on historical precedent (Qing Dynasty
1644-1912).

In 1991, Tajikistan inherited from the Soviet Union three disputed
border segments constituting about 28,000 sq km which China and
the Soviet Union had been unable to resolve.

In 1999, Tajikistan and China signed a border demarcation
agreement defining the border in two of the three segments. Under
this deal, Tajikistan ceded about 200 sw km lands to China. In
2002, Tajikistan agreed to cede 1,122 sq km or about four percent
of the territory that Beijing had claimed. China has, in all,
settled for 3.5 per cent of the claimed territory.

Kazakhstan

China has laid claim to a territory in Kazakhstan stretching from
Semirechie to Lake Balkhash covering 34,000 sq km. In May 2020, a
Chinese website ‘Sohu.com’ published an article claiming that
Kazakhstan is located on territories that historically belong to
China.

China has settled for 22 per cent of its claim over Kazakh
territory. Despite a border demarcation treaty with China in 1994
and claim by Kazakh state media that the Kazakhstan government had
succeeded in retaining 56.9 percent of the disputed territory,
critics had opined that the remaining 43.1 per cent of the land
also belonged to Kazakhstan for which a new deal should be signed.

Kyrgyzstan

China lays claim to the whole of Kyrgyz territory. In May 2020,
Chinese website tutiao.com published an article on such a claim
and argued that under the Han Dynasty, the entire Kyrgyz territory
was part of the Chinese mainland before the Russian empire
captured it.

Chia has settled for 32 percent of its claim over Kyrgyz
territory. Under the 1999 agreement, Kyrgyzstan handed over 1,250
sq km to China.

Russia

Despite signing bilateral agreements in 1991 and 1994 to delimit
the estern and wester section of the Russia-China border, a few
sectors remain unresolved. There are 160,000 sq km still
unilaterally claimed by China despite signing several agreements.

In October 2004, the 4,300 sq border was finally demarcated in its
entirety, thus resolving a 300-year-old territorial dispute.

In 2005, the Russian Parliament ratified the agreement in 2008, a
part of the Abagaitu Islet, the entire Tarabarov Bolshoi Ussuriysk
Island and some adjacent river islets were handed over to
China."<END QUOTE>


So between the list of border conflicts and the list of countries
supporting China's human rights record, we have an indication of who
China's allies and enemies are, around the world.

John Xenakis is author of: "World View: War Between China and Japan:
Why America Must Be Prepared" (Generational Theory Book Series, Book
2), June 2019, Paperback: 331 pages, with over 200 source references,
$13.99 https://www.amazon.com/World-View-Between-Prepared-Generational/dp/1732738637/

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RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Warren Dew - 07-05-2020

On the plus side, this clearly demonstrates how bogus the UNHCR has become.


RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Tim Randal Walker - 07-05-2020

(11-22-2018, 02:21 PM)Tim Randal Walker Wrote: Other classifications for old age are similar, but begin the Old-Old phase at 85. I think this is probably more accurate than the distinctions that I posted earlier. Middle-Old would be divided in two parts by the fragility barrier-late seventies, and the early eighties. Past the fragility barrier one is living on borrowed time.

Prower2a's comments would seem to fit this, with 84 being the usual cut off point for participation in public life. The fields he mentioned as exceptions, such as politics or the arts, may be not require that much physical prowess. If memory serves me right, he once mentioned journalism as another exception.

Of course, the Old-old phase suggests a time scale similar to what S & H described. A long ago event may not have disappeared from living memory, but those memories may have little or no influence on public reactions to present day events.
I'm thinking that we are seeing the last gasp of old Civic late wavers, at least in terms of being noticed. By the deaths of very old celebrities, such as Vera Lynn (at age 103) and Kirk Douglas (at age 103). Because they are remembered by the aging Idealists, from their youth.

Beyond one's early hundreds, there likely aren't any celebrities left from your generation. The oldest individuals may get a bit of attention from being the oldest individuals, but likely weren't famous otherwise.


RE: Generational Dynamics World View - pbrower2a - 07-06-2020

...and recall that Hugh Downs (99) died a couple days ago.

Cinema and music are often evergreen, especially in historic contexts. Kirk Douglas will be remembered for his movies; Vera Lynn will be remembered keeping the human touch in a country in a death struggle with Satan Incarnate. Avoid the dehumanizing abyss of hatred?

There is nothing like shared danger to push the homogenization of a culture. We are not there yet... two opposing sides still think that their very different views of the American future will win, prevailing over the other side due to their rightness.


RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Bob Butler 54 - 07-06-2020

(07-06-2020, 01:04 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: There is nothing like shared danger to push the homogenization of a culture. We are not there yet... two opposing sides still think that their very different views of the American future will win, prevailing over the other side due to their rightness.

Of course, if you know your history, the conservative way of looking at things fails totally in a crisis heart. Ask any royalist, slaveowner, isolationist or laissez faire businessman, assuming you can find one. Still, there remains a short while while they can delude themselves with obsolete perspectives.


RE: Generational Dynamics World View - John J. Xenakis - 07-06-2020

** 06-Jul-2020 World View: God Bless America - Kate Smith

Listening to Independence Day celebrations and patriotic songs this
weekend, I was reminded of Kate Smith's wonderful rendition of Irving
Berlin's God Bless America, which cheered Americans during the depths
of World War II.







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AOAH2lv3H0


RE: Generational Dynamics World View - John J. Xenakis - 07-07-2020

*** 8-Jul-20 World View -- Learning to live with Wuhan Coronavirus

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com
  • Learning to live with Wuhan Coronavirus
  • Should you wear a face mask?
  • The Chinese Communist Party and Wuhan Coronavirus

****
**** Learning to live with Wuhan Coronavirus
****


[Image: vogelgrippe.jpg]
Cartoon from 2004: "BIRD FLU - The panic is spreading! -- Better safe than sorry!"

The following are some personal thoughts.

The administration is now saying that we have to learn to live with
coronavirus.

The good news is that once you get sick from Wuhan Coronavirus, then
doctors are a lot more able to treat you and possibly even cure you.
Furthermore, there are many therapeutics being successfully developed
for treating the illness. So the death rate for infected people has
been coming down.

On the other hand, I haven't heard anyone credibly claim that a
vaccine will be available until well into 2021, if then. And even if
one becomes available, how will it be administered? Will the
developing country (US, UK, China, etc.) restrict it to its own
citizens until they're all protected? That will create huge
international outrage, including violent riots. There are 330 million
Americans. How long would it take to provide a vaccine to all of
them? There are almost 8 billion people in the world. Same question.

In the US, there's been a big resurgence of infections in some
southern states -- California, Arizona, Texas, Florida. One reason
given for this is that there's been a kind of reversal from the north.
In March, people stayed indoors in the north to stay warm, and went
outside in the south. Today, people go outdoors in the north, but
stay indoors in the south to get air conditioning. The reasoning is
that the virus spreads most rapidly among a group of people indoors in
an enclosed area, so it spread rapidly in the north in March, and in
the south today.

It had been hoped (and expected) that the coronavirus would act like
the seasonal flu and slow down (or stop) during the warm summer
months. That seems to have been a false hope. The coronavirus seems
much more virulent than the seasonal flu.

All the experts seem to expect a "second wave" in the fall, as
happened in the fall 1918 with the Spanish Flu pandemic. Perhaps,
by that time, some of these therapeutics will be successful enough
so that most people can recover.

Every state and every country seems to be handling the pandemic in its
own way, but it always seems to end the same way. Israel started out
with a quick lockdown and strict controls, and thought that they had
conquered it, but now there's a big resurgence again. The same is
true in South Africa.

It's now winter in South America, and infections are growing
exponentially in almost every country. In fact, infections are
growing exponentially across Africa. That's going to cause a major
political explosion.

****
**** Should you wear a face mask?
****


Confusion over face masks continues. In February, Dr. Anthony Fauci
was saying that face masks were not necessary for anyone but medical
workers. The explanation now given for that advice is because there
were not enough face masks available for the general public, beyond
medical workers.

Since then the advice has changed to make face masks optional or
required, depending on the jurisdiction. Sometimes "social
distancing" is enough so that you don't need a mask, according to some
experts, but you always need a mask according to others. Also, do
people have to be one meter apart or two meters apart for social
distancing? It seems to vary.

Why do we wear face masks? "You wear a mask to protect me, and I wear
a mask to protect you," goes the standard explanation. This means
that if you're social distancing, then you don't have to worry about a
mask. But in the last couple of days, that advice has been changing.
It seems that the virus is spread not in large droplets that fall to
the ground quickly (as had been previously stated), but rather in a
fine mist that stays in the air for a long time. That means that if
you don't want to be infected, then you always have to wear a face
mask, and you have to inhale through your mask, even if you're
socially distancing.

If you get the virus and you survive, can you get it again? The
experts say they don't know. Apparently you have immunity for a few
weeks or months, but we don't have experience to judge whether the
immunity lasts longer than that. So if you've had the virus already,
you might get it again in the fall.

So only about 3% of the world's population have become infected so
far, according to one estimate, including those that show no symptoms.
That means that 97% of the world still has no immunity at all.

It's pretty random. Anyone could get infected just by touching the
wrong thing or breathing the wrong air or being at the wrong place at
the wrong time. Which means that, sooner or later, perhaps 5 billion,
6 billion or 7 billion more people have yet to be infected. I'm one
of those who believe that, sooner or later, everyone will be infected.

Personally, I know that I'm in multiple risk groups -- old,
overweight, high blood pressure -- so if I live long enough to get
infected, I won't live much longer after that. Young people, the
experts say, are far more likely to survive, though lately there have
been statistics challenging that claim. However, experience in other
countries shows that children in school are almost completely safe.

****
**** The Chinese Communist Party and Wuhan Coronavirus
****


As regular readers know, I follow the news about China constantly,
and I've written a book, "War Between China and Japan" which
describes how China is preparing to launch a war of revenge against
Japan, a war of annexation against Taiwan, and a war with America
because we will be defending Japan and Taiwan.

It's been increasingly clear since Xi Jinping came to power that China
is becoming more and more belligerent and hostile every day. With
regard to the situation in Hong Kong, it's been clear (again) that
China feels free to violate any international law, but still demands
that everyone else obey international law. The Chinese Communist
Party considers themselves to be the Master Race, and everyone else to
be barbarians and vassals, and the only purpose of international law
is to provide a means for the Chinese to control the barbarians.

This has been really clear in the last few days as the CCP has imposed
a harsh National Security law on Hong Kong, completely ignoring
international law and their own commitment in the 1984 handover
agreement with the UK. The same is true of their arrest, torture and
enslavement of millions of Uighurs, and their illegal annexation of
the South China Sea. The CCP attitude is that they're superior to
everyone else, and not bound even by their own commitments.

The CCP thugs don't have a strategy. They are increasingly paranoid
and desperate, and lash out in all directions at once. They're
absolutely furious that they're being blamed (correctly) for having
unleashed the Wuhan Coronavirus on the world, lied about it, purposely
spread it to hundreds of countries, and purposely purchased all
available PPE (face masks, gowns, goggles, etc.) around the world so
that those materials wouldn't be available to anyone but the Chinese.
The CCP have managed to piss off almost every country in the world,
even countries that are forced to support them.

On Tuesday, FBI director Christopher Wray gave a press conference on
the enormous threat to the United States from the Chinese Communist
Party:

<QUOTE>"The greatest long-term threat to our nation’s
information and intellectual property, and to our economic
vitality, is the counterintelligence and economic espionage threat
from China. It’s a threat to our economic security—and by
extension, to our national security.

And at this very moment, China is working to compromise American
health care organizations, pharmaceutical companies, and academic
institutions conducting essential COVID-19 research."<END QUOTE>


As Wray suggests, the CCP are desperate to be the first to develop
therapeutics and a vaccine for Wuhan Coronavirus to use as leverage
against America and the West. He says that the Chinese want to
"compromise American ... institutions conducting essential COVID-19
research." He doesn't say whether the Chinese simply want to steal
the intellectual property, or to hack into company services and
somehow destroy them - probably both.

Meanwhile, the hostility towards China has grown substantially in the
last year in the West. The mutual xenophobia between China and
Western nations grows almost every day. This will not end well.

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Chinese Communist Party, CCP, Japan, Taiwan,
Hong Kong, FBI, Christopher Wray

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RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Bob Butler 54 - 07-08-2020

Trump is also pushing for therapeutics or a vaccine. About all that can save him if the polls are correct is hitting a home run before the election comes around. Of course, every Pharma company in the world is trying to hit a home run.

I agree that tension has gone up all around with respect to China, and this seems to have effected even the leaders of the CCP, but I am not seeing how they are planning for a profit yet. They are still in the ‘When in trouble or in doubt, run and circles scream and shout” phase. They are surrounded by trouble spots with no good one to hit.

I am reminded of General Grant. “Oh, I am heartily tired of hearing about what Lee is going to do. Some of you always seem to think he is suddenly going to turn a double somersault, and land in our rear and on both of our flanks at the same time. Go back to your command, and try to think what we are going to do ourselves, instead of what Lee is going to do.”


RE: Generational Dynamics World View - John J. Xenakis - 07-09-2020

** 09-Jul-2020 World View: Infections

mooreupp Wrote:> On the 3%, I think that will prove to be a underestimation. When
> they did random antibody tests in different places in the US and
> elsewhere in April and May, we were getting at least 10x as many
> people infected as official totals everywhere, sometimes far more.
> I suspect that has probably decreased some with additional
> testing, but is also probably far higher in areas of the world
> where testing is rare. The CDC did come on board with saying 10x
> as many (although it didn't exactly make big news).
> https://usa.greekreporter.com/2020/06/27/up-to-300-million-people-may-be-infected-by-covid-19-stanford-guru-john-ioannidis-says/

> The US is a bit shy of 3 million confirmed cases. That 10x number
> if it holds would put us close to 30 million already infected in
> America which is almost a 1/10 the population. That's mostly good
> news as it means the mortality rate on this is also a fraction of
> advertised and we are further along on this than most suspect
> (although we will probably never actually get rid of this).

> Further, there is actually a bit more good news in the numbers.
> We've had evidence people have cross-immunity from other diseases
> in this (other coronaviruses or something that helps out). I've
> seen suggestions from people I trust with numbers that it seems to
> be holding up near half the population (whether that is permanent
> protection or short term I do not know though). Given the R0 is
> estimated around a 3.0 in a completely vulnerable population, we
> need around 2/3 the population to be immune for herd immunity.
> Well if 1/2 the population already is (at least short term), then
> we only need around 17% of the population to get it (plus or minus
> depending on location) to get herd immunity.

> That makes sense with other numbers we've seen. The hard hit
> areas seem to be topping out at 20% and then the spread slows. My
> personal guess is New York City is already at herd immunity.
> Decreased social distancing there would create a spike in cases,
> but it would be impossible to get the runaway one like
> before.

If the 20% figure is true, it would make a big difference.


RE: Generational Dynamics World View - pbrower2a - 07-09-2020

(07-08-2020, 12:57 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Trump is also pushing for therapeutics or a vaccine.  About all that can save him if the polls are correct is hitting a home run before the election comes around.  Of course, every Pharma company in the world is trying to hit a home run.

I agree that tension has gone up all around with respect to China, and this seems to have effected even the leaders of the CCP, but I am not seeing how they are planning for a profit yet.  They are still in the ‘When in trouble or in doubt, run and circles scream and shout” phase.  They are surrounded by trouble spots with no good one to hit.  

I am reminded of General Grant.  “Oh, I am heartily tired of hearing about what Lee is going to do. Some of you always seem to think he is suddenly going to turn a double somersault, and land in our rear and on both of our flanks at the same time. Go back to your command, and try to think what we are going to do ourselves, instead of what Lee is going to do.”

It is almost too late for clinical trials to be published for any vaccine before the election.


RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Bob Butler 54 - 07-10-2020

(07-09-2020, 09:41 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: It is almost too late for clinical trials to be published for any vaccine before the election.

Yes, but it is always possible to distract from your mistakes handling COVID 19. Just make every one of your borders hot. The best way to cover weakness is to pretend to be strong.


RE: Generational Dynamics World View - pbrower2a - 07-10-2020

(07-10-2020, 01:17 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(07-09-2020, 09:41 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: It is almost too late for clinical trials to be published for any vaccine before the election.

Yes, but it is always possible to distract from your mistakes handling COVID 19.  Just make every one of your borders hot.  The best way to cover weakness is to pretend to be strong.

They aren't tough; they are only cruel. 

If one wants credit for a virtue, then one must act in a way consistent with that virtue. If one wants a reputation for courage, then pretend to be brave and make it a habit. If one wants a reputation for generosity, then do acts of generosity.

One thing that one can;t pretend is to be smarter than one is.


RE: Generational Dynamics World View - David Horn - 07-11-2020

(07-10-2020, 01:17 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(07-09-2020, 09:41 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: It is almost too late for clinical trials to be published for any vaccine before the election.

Yes, but it is always possible to distract from your mistakes handling COVID 19.  Just make every one of your borders hot.  The best way to cover weakness is to pretend to be strong.

Clinical trials are not that important to the general public.  The Trumpists know that, so they merely picked a few potential winners and pre-purchased millions of doses hoping for the best.  Of course, they ignored the 'hoping' part when they announced it.

The cynic in me would shout: Solyndra.   That was a similar but much less excessive attempt at a solution (solar energy in that case).  The GOPpers screamed bloody murder. They should be reminded of that.


RE: Generational Dynamics World View - pbrower2a - 07-11-2020

(07-11-2020, 07:03 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(07-10-2020, 01:17 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(07-09-2020, 09:41 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: It is almost too late for clinical trials to be published for any vaccine before the election.

Yes, but it is always possible to distract from your mistakes handling COVID 19.  Just make every one of your borders hot.  The best way to cover weakness is to pretend to be strong.

Clinical trials are not that important to the general public.  The Trumpists know that, so they merely picked a few potential winners and pre-purchased millions of doses hoping for the best.  Of course, they ignored the 'hoping' part when they announced it.

The cynic in me would shout: Solyndra.   That was a similar but much less excessive attempt at a solution (solar energy in that case).  The GOPpers screamed bloody murder. They should be reminded of that.

The authoritarian Right excuses its own errors and shortcomings due to the inadequacy of people that shows the supposedly-manifest need for economic and bureaucratic hierarchy in which people at the economic apex treat the proles and peons badly. The Authoritarian Right condemns the efforts of others to find innovative solutions -- many of which fail -- on the ground that such shows the supposedly-manifest need for economic and bureaucratic hierarchy in which people at the economic apex treat the proles and peons badly.