(08-23-2017, 10:07 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

(08-23-2017, 09:14 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(08-23-2017, 09:11 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(08-23-2017, 11:09 AM)Cynic Hero Wrote:

(08-18-2017, 07:52 AM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: So the Spanish Civil War was only briefly confined to the Iberian
Peninsula, since it was a proxy war between Britain and France versus
Germany and Italy, leading directly to WW II.

Similarly, a war on the Korean Peninsula might be confined for a few
weeks or months, but the US would be involved immediately, and China
would certainly get involved, so it would be a proxy war between the
US and China that would directly lead to WW III.

The Spanish Civil war was not a proxy war between Britain and france versus Nazi Germany. It was a Proxy war between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. Britain and France both declared neutrality and specifically banned imports of arms from their countries to either side in the war.

North Korea can be made an example of by a preemptive nuclear strike, the particulars of mopping up North Korea can be negotiated with China in regards to the occupation of the Yalu line or possibly a Chinese occupation of North Korea. Making an Example of North Korea also helps the situation with Iran and bolsters deterrence with both Russia and China.

Exactly.  The Chinese could install an actual puppet state in North Korea that would sign on to a nuclear free peninsula, instead of the independent actor that North Korea is now.

? In the meantime Seoul becomes a rubble heap from convential artillery , unless y'all want to nuke the DMZ which wouldn't work either. Last time I checked fallout's a bitch.


Ah yes, take "collateral damage" to a whole new level.

There's also the issue that China WANTS to have a nuclear-armed North
Korea to draw forces away when China attacks the United States.  So
right now China is just playing a game, pretending to care.

(08-23-2017, 10:07 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: There's also the issue that China WANTS to have a nuclear-armed North
Korea to draw forces away when China attacks the United States.  So
right now China is just playing a game, pretending to care.

(08-24-2017, 09:20 AM)Cynic Hero 86 Wrote: > The boomer refuse to allow anyone younger than them to be at the
> helm because they know the younger generations support completing
> the conversion of America into an empire. This is in direct
> contradiction of the boomers love-affair with republics and their
> ideals of having a world without imperial nations.

(08-24-2017, 06:14 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

(08-24-2017, 09:20 AM)Cynic Hero Wrote: >   The boomer refuse to allow anyone younger than them to be at the
>   helm because they know the younger generations support completing
>   the conversion of America into an empire. This is in direct
>   contradiction of the boomers love-affair with republics and their
>   ideals of having a world without imperial nations.  

Hillary Clinton has been whining because during the debate her "skin
crawled" because she had to be in proximity of Donald Trump who
"bragged about groping women."

Has there ever been a more pathetic candidate for president than this
woman?  And she has a lot of nerve to complain about "groping women"
when at least 7 women said that her husband, Bill Clinton, had
violently raped them.  And these raped women were raped again by
Hillary Clinton who treated them abusively.  Really, this woman is
disgusting.

And now we hear that the Democrats are moving in the direction of
Bernie Sanders and Socialism, even though we can see the results of
Socialism unfolding every day in Venezuela, and Socialism has never
meant anything but starvation, atrocities, mass slaughter, and
enormous bloodshed.  Socialism has killed many times more people than
Naziism, and is much more evil than Naziism, and yet the evil of
Socialism is glorified by many Democrats, especially Millies and Xers.

If it had been up to the Millennials and the Gen-Xers, these loony
tunes could be running the country, causing more poverty, death and
destruction.

So instead of always criticizing Boomers, you should be grateful that
there are still some of us around, trying to keep you Millies and Xers
from destroying yourselves and everyone else.

(08-24-2017, 07:54 PM)Cynic Hero 86 Wrote: > First of all what does Hillary Clinton, the personification of the
> boomer establishment have to do with Xers and Millies opposition
> to the boomer establishment.

(08-24-2017, 08:03 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

(08-24-2017, 07:54 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: >   First of all what does Hillary Clinton, the personification of the
>   boomer establishment have to do with Xers and Millies opposition
>   to the boomer establishment.  

Because the Xers and Millies favored her over Trump.

One Boomer in a million may shout a bit.
Now and then, there's one with slight defects.
One perhaps whose truthfulness you doubt a bit,
But by and large we are a marvelous generation!

(08-24-2017, 08:49 PM)Cynic Hero 86 Wrote: > The Boomers imposed tyranny upon Xers and Millies and tyranny onto
> america in general. Look at the efficiency of Countries like
> China, and Russia, as well as other countries such as Vietnam,
> Iran, Turkey, even North Korea. These as well as historical
> examples such as the USSR, Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, Maoist
> China, Imperial Germany, Napoleonic France as well as earlier
> examples such as the mongol empire, the Roman empire, The holy
> Roman empire, the original Caliphate, England From William The
> Conqueror to the glorious revolution I. Examples such as these are
> studied often by xers and Millies in their spare time. The boomer
> on the other hand subjected the young to tyranny by stunting their
> political development by forcing globalistic ideology derived from
> Pitt and Churchill and formulated by the likes of Christopher
> Hitchens and then the boomer rammed this decadence down the
> young's throats. That is why the young refers to the boomer as
> selfish, the boomer is such by suppressing the younger generations
> particular generational character. The Boomer then attempts to
> influence politics in such a way that when the next major
> international breakdown occurs which constitutes the crisis era
> and crisis war occurs; that it would be based around defending the
> boomers Churchillian doctrines. The Xer and Millie has no interest
> in Burke/Churchill values and admire that polities that I've
> outlined earlier in this paragraph.

(08-24-2017, 09:00 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

(08-24-2017, 08:49 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: >   The Boomers imposed tyranny upon Xers and Millies and tyranny onto
>   america in general. Look at the efficiency of Countries like
>   China, and Russia, as well as other countries such as Vietnam,
>   Iran, Turkey, even North Korea. These as well as historical
>   examples such as the USSR, Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, Maoist
>   China, Imperial Germany, Napoleonic France as well as earlier
>   examples such as the mongol empire, the Roman empire, The holy
>   Roman empire, the original Caliphate, England From William The
>   Conqueror to the glorious revolution I. Examples such as these are
>   studied often by xers and Millies in their spare time. The boomer
>   on the other hand subjected the young to tyranny by stunting their
>   political development by forcing globalistic ideology derived from
>   Pitt and Churchill and formulated by the likes of Christopher
>   Hitchens and then the boomer rammed this decadence down the
>   young's throats. That is why the young refers to the boomer as
>   selfish, the boomer is such by suppressing the younger generations
>   particular generational character. The Boomer then attempts to
>   influence politics in such a way that when the next major
>   international breakdown occurs which constitutes the crisis era
>   and crisis war occurs; that it would be based around defending the
>   boomers Churchillian doctrines. The Xer and Millie has no interest
>   in Burke/Churchill values and admire that polities that I've
>   outlined earlier in this paragraph.

Actually, I doubt that even 1% of Millies and Xers have even heard of
the places you've mentioned, or would have even the vaguest clue what
you're talking about.  The only reason that they wanted to elect
Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders is not for the reason you gave, but
because they want stuff for free, without having to work for it.

(08-24-2017, 09:20 PM)Cynic Hero 86 Wrote: > Yeah the boomer should just be allowed to hoover up all the
> resources without contributing to the general welfare. Given this
> really, it is reasonable that said gravy train should be
> redirected to more worthy hands. Only a selfish boomer denies
> these basic facts.

(08-24-2017, 11:44 AM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(08-23-2017, 09:11 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(08-23-2017, 11:09 AM)Cynic Hero Wrote:

(08-18-2017, 07:52 AM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: So the Spanish Civil War was only briefly confined to the Iberian
Peninsula, since it was a proxy war between Britain and France versus
Germany and Italy, leading directly to WW II.

Similarly, a war on the Korean Peninsula might be confined for a few
weeks or months, but the US would be involved immediately, and China
would certainly get involved, so it would be a proxy war between the
US and China that would directly lead to WW III.

The Spanish Civil war was not a proxy war between Britain and france versus Nazi Germany. It was a Proxy war between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. Britain and France both declared neutrality and specifically banned imports of arms from their countries to either side in the war.

North Korea can be made an example of by a preemptive nuclear strike, the particulars of mopping up North Korea can be negotiated with China in regards to the occupation of the Yalu line or possibly a Chinese occupation of North Korea. Making an Example of North Korea also helps the situation with Iran and bolsters deterrence with both Russia and China.

Exactly.  If necessary, the Chinese could install an actual puppet state in North Korea that would sign on to a nuclear free peninsula, instead of the independent actor that North Korea is now.

You appear to be ignorant of how the Chinese operate. If the Chinese installed a puppet state (but, how is the current state not a puppet state? ... a debate for another day ... ), they would be ambiguous about the nuclear status of that state. Most likely, it would remain nuclear in reality.

Semi related question, what is the equivalent of nuclear detente, SALT, START, etc treaties with the PRC. Oooooops, nothing there. They can do what they want. They declare nothing. There are no inspections.

(08-24-2017, 09:20 AM)Cynic Hero Wrote: The events of WW1 and WW2 made america into the premier great power in the world. However the political system and constitutional framework of our country dates from the 18th Century when we were a small frontier nation that did everything possible to keep imperial great powers away. The world wars however made america into an imperial power, in direct contradiction to the assumptions of constitutional framework. The WW2 generations tackled this and kicked this can down the road by having the defense commitments of an imperial great power but keeping the benign policies of a constitutional republic. The Selfishness of the boomer is due to their extreme desire to base america and the "american spirit" on the now outdated constitutional framework and the boomer assumption that imperial america is the outlier. Xers and Millies however want to continue the evolution of America into a real imperial power and into a real empire, which IS the logical conclusion of the world wars and the cold war and their effects on the evolution of our country. The extreme selfishness of the boomer is traced directly to the boomers desire to reestablish the old republican framework that existed before 1900. The boomer refuse to allow anyone younger than them to be at the helm because they know the younger generations support completing the conversion of America into an empire. This is in direct contradiction of the boomers love-affair with republics and their ideals of having a world without imperial nations.

(08-24-2017, 08:49 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote:

(08-24-2017, 08:03 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

(08-24-2017, 07:54 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: >   First of all what does Hillary Clinton, the personification of the
>   boomer establishment have to do with Xers and Millies opposition
>   to the boomer establishment.  

Because the Xers and Millies favored her over Trump.

One Boomer in a million may shout a bit.
Now and then, there's one with slight defects.
One perhaps whose truthfulness you doubt a bit,
But by and large we are a marvelous generation!

The Boomers imposed tyranny upon Xers and Millies and tyranny onto america in general. Look at the efficiency of Countries like China, and Russia, as well as other countries such as Vietnam, Iran, Turkey, even North Korea. These as well as historical examples such as the USSR, Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, Maoist China, Imperial Germany, Napoleonic France as well as earlier examples such as the mongol empire, the Roman empire, The holy Roman empire, the original Caliphate, England From William The Conqueror to the glorious revolution I. Examples such as these are studied often by xers and Millies in their spare time. The boomer on the other hand subjected the young to tyranny by stunting their political development by forcing globalistic ideology derived from Pitt and Churchill and formulated by the likes of Christopher Hitchens and then the boomer rammed this decadence down the young's throats. That is why the young refers to the boomer as selfish, the boomer is such by suppressing the younger generations particular generational character. The Boomer then attempts to influence politics in such a way that when the next major international breakdown occurs which constitutes the crisis era and crisis war occurs; that it would be based around defending the boomers Churchillian doctrines. The Xer and Millie has no interest in Burke/Churchill values and admire that polities that I've outlined earlier in this paragraph.

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(08-25-2017, 10:54 AM)Cynic Hero 86 Wrote: The Boomer refuses to sign any real agreements with either China or Russia. The boomer refuses to build up the military, even after 9/11 the boomer decided the attacks "weren't large enough" to have the military be a wartime footing. The same boomers refuses to use divide and rule to negotiate an alliance with either Russia or China against the other Nation, because the boomer would only be satisfied when western-style democracy is installed in both countries. The boomer refuses to allow an invasion of Iran or a preemptive nuclear strikes against North Korea or a peacetime military buildup in conjunction with a peacetime military-industrial complex simply because the selfish boomer regards preemptive wars and peacetime military complexes to be immoral. Instead the selfish boomers installs an idiotic forward defense policy simply because that is the only policy the selfish boomers regards as "moral" the boomer imposes these policies looking first and foremost with an eye toward the boomer's "feelings".

(08-24-2017, 09:30 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

(08-24-2017, 09:20 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: >   Yeah the boomer should just be allowed to hoover up all the
>   resources without contributing to the general welfare. Given this
>   really, it is reasonable that said gravy train should be
>   redirected to more worthy hands. Only a selfish boomer denies
>   these basic facts.

Only a boomer who has worked hard for decades and paid all kinds of
taxes his whole life, is fully justified in denying your so-called
basic facts, before you send him off to your death panel.

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(08-25-2017, 10:01 PM)Cynic Hero 86 Wrote: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/north-korea-is-hard-to-find-slightly-more-so-for-democrats-and-baby-boomers/article/2623176