(12-13-2017, 01:34 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote:

(12-13-2017, 01:14 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(12-13-2017, 09:28 AM)Cynic Hero Wrote: Selfish Boomers refuse to allow a strike on North Korea. The problem here is that the selfish boomers are emotionally attached to the idea of america as the world's policeman. This attachment causes boomers to reject any option that contradicts that role. The US has the military assets to carry out a preemptive strike on North Korea, the boomers just refuse to do so for ideological reasons.

Color me confused.  Wouldn't a strike on North Korea be exactly what a "world policeman" would do?

Only if we allow the NORKs to fire the first shot. A criminal is not a criminal unless he commits a crime. America has self-defense reasons to strike, but doing so the traditional "policeman" approach would eliminate any chance of achieving the element of surprise. On the other hand striking North Korea is risky but if successful arrives at lots of advantages especially if the strike in in conjunction with an agreement with China over Taiwan and a Yalu DMZ. The option of striking North Korea is not therefore a decision to continue a policeman approach but the beginning of a possible transformation into a garrison and/or an imperial state. For this reason boomers for purely ideological reasons, refuse to take the necessary actions.

(12-14-2017, 12:36 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(12-13-2017, 01:34 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote:

(12-13-2017, 01:14 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(12-13-2017, 09:28 AM)Cynic Hero Wrote: Selfish Boomers refuse to allow a strike on North Korea. The problem here is that the selfish boomers are emotionally attached to the idea of america as the world's policeman. This attachment causes boomers to reject any option that contradicts that role. The US has the military assets to carry out a preemptive strike on North Korea, the boomers just refuse to do so for ideological reasons.

Color me confused.  Wouldn't a strike on North Korea be exactly what a "world policeman" would do?

Only if we allow the NORKs to fire the first shot. A criminal is not a criminal unless he commits a crime. America has self-defense reasons to strike, but doing so the traditional "policeman" approach would eliminate any chance of achieving the element of surprise. On the other hand striking North Korea is risky but if successful arrives at lots of advantages especially if the strike in in conjunction with an agreement with China over Taiwan and a Yalu DMZ. The option of striking North Korea is not therefore a decision to continue a policeman approach but the beginning of a possible transformation into a garrison and/or an imperial state. For this reason boomers for purely ideological reasons, refuse to take the necessary actions.

Thanks for the clarification.  I think actual policemen often shoot first - and sometimes the gun they thought they saw in the other person's hand was actually a cell phone - but at least I understand what you mean.  I agree that a transition to a more overtly imperial America would be good, and I'd even agree I'm in the minority of boomers for thinking that.  Do you think most millenials would welcome an imperial America?

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(12-15-2017, 07:08 PM)Cynic Hero 86 Wrote: > To Xenakis, Pbrower, Eric and other selfish Boomers: Xers and
> Millennials want to fight FOR an imperial state they want to GO
> totalitarian we want a garrison state. Most Xers and Millennials
> despise boomers and DO NOT want to fight AGAINST
> totalitarianism. The younger generations despise human rights
> tyranny.

(12-15-2017, 07:17 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

(12-15-2017, 07:08 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: >   To Xenakis, Pbrower, Eric and other selfish Boomers: Xers and
>   Millennials want to fight FOR an imperial state they want to GO
>   totalitarian we want a garrison state. Most Xers and Millennials
>   despise boomers and DO NOT want to fight AGAINST
>   totalitarianism. The younger generations despise human rights
>   tyranny.  

You should be a standup comedian.

In maybe you are.  Are you?

(12-15-2017, 07:25 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(12-15-2017, 07:17 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

(12-15-2017, 07:08 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: >   To Xenakis, Pbrower, Eric and other selfish Boomers: Xers and
>   Millennials want to fight FOR an imperial state they want to GO
>   totalitarian we want a garrison state. Most Xers and Millennials
>   despise boomers and DO NOT want to fight AGAINST
>   totalitarianism. The younger generations despise human rights
>   tyranny.  

You should be a standup comedian.

In fact maybe you are.  Are you?

What's amusing about that?

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(12-16-2017, 07:47 PM)Cynic Hero 86 Wrote: > On the contrary the facts show that WW2 probably would have ended
> shortly after the battles of Normandy and Saipan in mid-1944
> rather than the historical end dates in mid-1945 had the US not
> been wedded to the childish policy of unconditional surrender and
> regime change.

(12-16-2017, 08:42 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

(12-16-2017, 07:47 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: >   On the contrary the facts show that WW2 probably would have ended
>   shortly after the battles of Normandy and Saipan in mid-1944
>   rather than the historical end dates in mid-1945 had the US not
>   been wedded to the childish policy of unconditional surrender and
>   regime change.

No that's not true.  You're thinking of a non-crisis war.  A
generational crisis war like WW II is a fight to the death, and does
not end in any sort of compromise or settlement.  It requires an
"explosive climax," something so horrific that it stops both losers
and winners from fighting further, makes them vow to spend their whole
lives making sure it doesn't happen again.  WW II could not end before
such events as the firebombing of Dresden, the fall of Berlin, and the
nuking of Japan.

"the facts show that ... probably" -- what weasel words -- can I call
you a stand-up comedian yet?

(12-16-2017, 09:02 PM)Cynic Hero 86 Wrote: > I've noticed you completely ignored my second point about the
> post-WW2 world a non-completely destroyed Germany and Japan would
> have been useful buffers against the soviets. Thus we would not
> have had to fight the cold war. The Dominant boomer Conclusion
> that we should have worked to democratize Russia and China is what
> is utter nonsense. Once again, can Boomers imagine how BORING the
> current saeculum would have been without the Communist USSR,
> Communist China, and the Arab and Asian nationalist states.

(12-16-2017, 09:16 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

(12-16-2017, 09:02 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: >   I've noticed you completely ignored my second point about the
>   post-WW2 world a non-completely destroyed Germany and Japan would
>   have been useful buffers against the soviets. Thus we would not
>   have had to fight the cold war. The Dominant boomer Conclusion
>   that we should have worked to democratize Russia and China is what
>   is utter nonsense. Once again, can Boomers imagine how BORING the
>   current saeculum would have been without the Communist USSR,
>   Communist China, and the Arab and Asian nationalist states.

You must be thinking about a different WW II than I am.  In the WW II
that I'm thinking of, Japan and Germany were NOT completely destroyed,
as can be easily proven by the fact that both countries still exist
today.

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