(03-07-2018, 02:54 PM)Cynic Hero 86 Wrote: > Breaking News --- Israel's Knesset has Just passed a referendum
> stripping Jerusalem's Palestinians of their residency. Israel is
> Finally taking the gloves OFF. This is a glorious day for western
> civilization.

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• Kim has decided NOT to give them up. In that case, the entire
  meeting invitation is a publicity stunt, and a maneuver to stall for
  time to do further development. That will almost certainly end in
  war.
  
  
• Kim has already decided to give up nuclear and missile development.
  In that case, war will be averted.

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(03-10-2018, 02:53 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: > Strange things can happen. How stable is the hold of Kim Jong-Un
> on power? Could the People's Republic of China have put pressure
> on him to make some efforts to give up a nuclear program that
> poses real dangers to China?

(03-10-2018, 02:53 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: > A rumor has it that the South Koreans can break a captured agent
> in two days. The second day features a trip to a South Korean
> supermarket, which might be a banality to South Koreans but near
> paradise for North Koreans. I have seen the future, and it
> works. It is called South Korea.

(03-10-2018, 10:51 AM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

(03-10-2018, 02:53 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: >   Strange things can happen. How stable is the hold of Kim Jong-Un
>   on power? Could the People's Republic of China have put pressure
>   on him to make some efforts to give up a nuclear program that
>   poses real dangers to China?

One of the questions that keep coming up is -- whose side will Korea
be on?  We can line up Japan, Philippines and Vietnam on the side of
the West, and Laos and Cambodia on China's side.  But whose side will
Korea be on?

(03-10-2018, 11:23 AM)Cynic Hero 86 Wrote: > Xenakis, You are ignorant of the actual situation. Laos and
> Cambodia are Vietnamese satellites not Chinese ones. The Current
> Cambodian Prime Minister who has effectively been dictator since
> the late 1990s was originally installed by Vietnam and is
> frequently accused of Being a Vietnamese puppet by opposition
> forces. The Laotian Government has a permanent grant of full
> military access to Vietnamese forces since the 1970s, there is no
> equivalent agreement with China. Also Vietnam and China have been
> enemies for centuries with the modern enmity restarting
> immediately after the end of the Vietnam war, NOT JohnX's claim
> that china began threatening Vietnam only after 1994 in move
> directed more against the latter's rapprochement with the west. In
> fact China and Vietnam went to full-scale war in 1979 and had
> medium-scale border fights between 1980 and 1990.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Laos_since_1945
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurgency_in_Laos
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Cambodia
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hun_Sen
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_conflicts_1979%E2%80%9390

> Within the west Xenakis, you keep assuming that the boomer concept
> of what is and what isn't western and what constitute's being
> "western" would be what westerners would fight for. In fact as
> almost every Xer and Millie you've talked to keeps trying to
> explain to you; the young has nothing but contempt for the 1968er
> values.

(03-10-2018, 02:10 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: North Vietnam is a satellite of China, so by your logic, they're all
satellites of China, and so they must all be allied with China.

(03-10-2018, 02:10 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: the genocide of the 1970s, where 2 million people were killed out of 8
million.  Once you understand where the descendants of the two
belligerent populations are today, and the attitudes of the younger
generations, only then can you figure out what Cambodia is going to do
in terms of alliances.  It's even possible that Cambodia will be
split, with the two groups who fought against each other in the 1970s
having their children fighting against each other again.

(03-10-2018, 02:10 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: It really is tiring that you always talk about boomers.  It makes you
look like a total idiot, which you are.

(03-10-2018, 02:32 PM)Cynic Hero 86 Wrote: > First of all Xenakis, you moron, there hasn't been a country
> called North Vietnam since 1975. The Hanoi government is
> definitely NOT a Chinese satellite. The Hanoi government waged war
> on China in 1979 and waged war in Cambodia throughout the 1980s
> and early 1990s in direct defiance of China. There is no way
> whatsoever that the Vietnamese government is in any way a
> satellite of China.

(03-10-2018, 02:53 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

(03-10-2018, 02:32 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: >   First of all Xenakis, you moron, there hasn't been a country
>   called North Vietnam since 1975. The Hanoi government is
>   definitely NOT a Chinese satellite. The Hanoi government waged war
>   on China in 1979 and waged war in Cambodia throughout the 1980s
>   and early 1990s in direct defiance of China. There is no way
>   whatsoever that the Vietnamese government is in any way a
>   satellite of China.

Wow!!!!!! I didn't know that!!! I thought that there was
still a North Vietnam!!!!  Thanks for filling me in!!!

North Vietnam (Vietnamese Kingdom) was originally populated by ethnic
Chinese, while South Vietnam (Champa Kingdom) was originally populated
by Polynesian settlers from Indonesia and Malaysia.  It's this ethnic
difference that has fueled multiple generational crisis civil wars,
including the war of the 1960s-70s.

** 18-May-14 World View -- China evacuates 3,000 citizens from Vietnam, fearing more violence
** Generational History of Vietnam
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/xct.gd.e140518.htm#e140518

If you want to understand what's going on, then you have to do some
real research, not just read wikipedia articles.

(03-10-2018, 02:59 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: No, you are still an idiot on this issue because it was the Hanoi government, NOT the South Vietnamese populace, who fueled the Sino-Vietnamese war and the Sino-Vietnamese border conflict as well as the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia. The Current nationalism emanates from Hanoi, not Saigon. The US only has reconciled with Vietnam in the last few years; During the 1980s the Vietnamese were supported by the soviets while the opposition was supported by both China and the US. Regarding the US, American foreign policy since the 1860s has been consistently supporting the so-called "open door" in both China and east Asia in general. America should abandon the open-door policy, all of our Asian wars since at least the Spanish-American war have derived in some extent from maintaining this "open door".

(03-10-2018, 08:54 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(03-10-2018, 02:59 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: No, you are still an idiot on this issue because it was the Hanoi government, NOT the South Vietnamese populace, who fueled the Sino-Vietnamese war and the Sino-Vietnamese border conflict as well as the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia. The Current nationalism emanates from Hanoi, not Saigon. The US only has reconciled with Vietnam in the last few years; During the 1980s the Vietnamese were supported by the soviets while the opposition was supported by both China and the US. Regarding the US, American foreign policy since the 1860s has been consistently supporting the so-called "open door" in both China and east Asia in general. America should abandon the open-door policy, all of our Asian wars since at least the Spanish-American war have derived in some extent from maintaining this "open door".

You're looking at governments; Xenakis is looking at peoples.  I tend to agree with him that crisis wars are decided by peoples, not by governments.

Cheer up!  That means you millies will help drag us into whatever destructive wars we get into.

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