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RE: Generational Dynamics World View - John J. Xenakis - 07-03-2018 (07-03-2018, 03:42 PM)David Horn Wrote: > Whatever you're using to post, it sucks. I haven't dealt with the Well, it's a generational thing. You kids use the new-fangled long lines, but I prefer the old-fashioned way, sticking to the 72 characters per line of text (to the left of the 8-digit sequence number) on IBM punch cards. (07-03-2018, 03:42 PM)David Horn Wrote: > Well, you can certainly hold a grudge if you want to look back 50 Really? Were Hitler's concentration camps just political theatre too? You're an idiot. (07-03-2018, 03:42 PM)David Horn Wrote: > Since I've never been fond of Chavez either, and thought Stalin Well, I did assume that you're a left-winger. Maybe you should drop the left-wing political theatre and start supporting MAGA. (07-03-2018, 03:42 PM)David Horn Wrote: > He's going after Merkel as hard as he can, and he's insulted just Merkel? You love Merkel?
Which of those Germanies do you find so exciting that you've fallen in love with them? I'll go back and answer one more of your questions, the one about why Trump is friendly with Kim Jong-un. Donald Trump is well aware that we're headed for war with China (Steve Bannon is an expert on Generational Dynamics), and is well aware that Kim Jong-un building an arsenal of nuclear weapons pointing at the United States -- leading to World War. Trump is aware of all this, and by befriending Xi Jinping and Kim Jong-un, he's desperately trying to prevent a world war, and befriending these two maniacs is a small price to pay to prevent a world war. Trump is aware of the Generational Dynamics predictions, but like many people (probably including yourself), he probably believes the predictions can be prevented -- which they can't. World war is coming with 100% certainty, but I can't blame Trump for trying the impossible - to prevent it. As I've written in the past, everything that Trump does makes sense to me. That doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes, but it makes sense. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Tim Randal Walker - 07-03-2018 I noticed that YouTube has a video regarding a secessionist movement in northern Mexico. Reddit even displays a secessionist flag for the region. Northern Mexico is the part of the "MexAmerica" described in The Nine Nations of North America. Also referred to as "El Norte" in American Nations. It has been nearly a century since the end of Mexico's last Crisis period. 4-Jul-18 World View -- German leaders agree to migrant refugee camps on border with A - John J. Xenakis - 07-03-2018 *** 4-Jul-18 World View -- German leaders agree to migrant refugee camps on border with Austria This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com
**** **** German leaders agree to migrant refugee camps on border with Austria **** A migrant holds a sarcastic protest sign after failing to enter the EU (Reuters) The government of Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel appeared to be near collapse on Monday, because of a challenge by the leader of another party in her governing coalition. Horst Seehofer, leader of the Bavarian CSU party, was demanding that Merkel agree to tough new rules regarding migrants -- that migrants crossing the border from Austria into Germany who are registered in another EU country will automatically be rejected and sent back. Since Seehofer is also Minister of the Interior, he has the power to enforce that rule by himself, without Merkel's permission. But if he had done so, then Merkel would have been forced to fire him, resulting in the withdrawal of the CSU from the governing coalition, and the collapse of Merkel's government. This situation has resulted in a great deal of anger and shouting in Berlin, according to reports. At one point Seehofer threatened to resign, saying angrily, "I won’t let myself be sacked by a chancellor whom I made chancellor in the first place," referring to the fact that the CSU joined Merkel's governing coalition last year. However, let's face it, Merkel and Seehofer are both politicians who crave power, and the collapse of Merkel's government would put both of them out of power. So a way had to be found that would save face for both of them, and allow them both to remain in power. The solution was a fudge, kicking the can down the road in a remarkable manner: Germany will set up migrant refugee camps on the border, and border controls will be set up to stop registered asylum seekers at the border. If there's a bilateral deal with the country of registration, the refugees will be sent back. But here's the really amazing part: The refugee camps will be deemed to be part of the border and not part of either country, which means that the refugees will not be legally deemed to have crossed the border into Germany. Germany would be allowed to expel them from Germany because they never legally were in Germany. This deal doesn't solve anything, but supposedly it kicks the can down the road to the Bavarian elections in October, at which time the government may collapse anyway. The deal may not even be legal -- officials in the European Commission have said that they'll be reviewing it. But we've had so many proposals for refugee camps for migrants in the last few months, and I don't believe any of them have succeeded, so there's no reason to believe that refugee camps on the border between Germany and Austria will succeed either. Austria has already said that it will refuse to take back refugees under any circumstances, and so these new border refugee camps will presumably just become flooded with refugees, until the government is forced to let them all go. Whether Merkel and Seehofer have a solution to that problem remains to be seen. This proposal could make things worse for the entire European Union in that it may cause a chain reaction of border closings by different countries, essentially bringing the Schengen Zone agreement to an end. Austria, Italy and the Czech Republic have already threatened to introduce controls on their borders in response to the new German plan. Handelsblatt (Germany) and Reuters and Irish Times and Sky News **** **** Egypt refuses to build refugee camps for migrants deported from Europe **** It was just a few days ago that a summit of EU leaders came up with a plan for "Regional Disembarkation Platforms." These would be, once again, migrant refugee camps. But this time, they would be located in countries in northern Africa, away from the EU. ( "30-Jun-18 World View -- EU leaders agree on fantasy migration plan after all-night meeting" ) The idea is that migrants would be rescued from drowning in the Mediterranean Sea, but instead of being taken to Italy or another EU country, they would be taken to a Disembarkation Platforms in northern Africa. Their asylum requests would be processed, and if rejected they would be sent back to the countries of origin. Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia immediately announced that they would not permit Disembarkation Platforms to be hosted on their soil, and on Tuesday, Egypt announced that it would not permit them in Egypt. Egyptian Parliament Speaker Ali Abdul Aal said: <QUOTE>"EU reception facilities for migrants in Egypt would violate the laws and constitutions of our country. Our capacities are already utilized today; therefore, it is important that Egypt receives support from Germany and the EU."<END QUOTE> The same EU Summit meeting also agreed to set up "Controlled Centers" in EU countries, "on a voluntary basis." Once again, this would just be another name for a migrant refugee camps. France and Austria immediately announced that they would not be willing to host Controlled Centers on their soil. There have been many proposals in recent weeks, in Europe and the United States, and these proposals all have some kind of refugee camp or refugee prison or refugee detention center as a core proposal. These proposals always result in enormous national and international outrage, as well as political chaos. It remains to be seen if any of them will work. Middle East Monitor and Reuters Related Articles:
KEYS: Generational Dynamics, Germany, Angela Merkel, Horst Seehofer, Bavaria, CSU, Austria, Austria, Italy, Czech Republic, Schengen Zone Disembarkation Platforms, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Ali Abdul Aal, Controlled Centers, France Permanent web link to this article Receive daily World View columns by e-mail Contribute to Generational Dynamics via PayPal John J. Xenakis 100 Memorial Drive Apt 8-13A Cambridge, MA 02142 Phone: 617-864-0010 E-mail: john@GenerationalDynamics.com Web site: http://www.GenerationalDynamics.com Forum: http://www.gdxforum.com/forum Subscribe to World View: http://generationaldynamics.com/subscribe RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Cynic Hero '86 - 07-04-2018 (07-03-2018, 05:03 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: I'll go back and answer one more of your questions, the one about why Trump is not preventing anything by appeasing Kim, by keeping the citizens in the dark post-summit he potentially endangering the American People, Trump would have had much more credibility if He followed through with "Fire and Fury" like he threatened to do last year. The Will be a world war, but that World war does not have to Initially involve the US. The Boomers are not considering all the options, they are considering all the options that conform to their generations "morality" criteria, both Here and in Europe. That is the problem they (both EU boomer and US leadership) refuse to consider the absolute "all options". Any option that turns the refugees back in the case of Europe, or in which the US either abandons it's commitment to south Korea OR launches the first shot against the North in the case of US vs North Korea, is immediately rejected by the boomers without anything remotely resembling a fair and cool analysis of the option. Also by the way, don't even think about only replying to the first sentence if you decide to reply to this statement. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Warren Dew - 07-04-2018 (07-03-2018, 03:45 PM)David Horn Wrote:(07-03-2018, 09:42 AM)Warren Dew Wrote:(07-02-2018, 03:44 PM)David Horn Wrote:(07-02-2018, 02:05 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: This forum really needs an upvote capability. Thanks, John. John is merely extrapolating your beliefs. The difference between you and him is just that he does so correctly. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Warren Dew - 07-04-2018 (07-04-2018, 12:43 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: Trump is not preventing anything by appeasing Kim, by keeping the citizens in the dark post-summit he potentially endangering the American People, Trump would have had much more credibility if He followed through with "Fire and Fury" like he threatened to do last year. The Will be a world war, but that World war does not have to Initially involve the US. The way not to have the US in the first stages of the war involves not having the US take the first military action against a nuclear power like North Korea. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Cynic Hero '86 - 07-04-2018 (07-04-2018, 01:32 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:(07-04-2018, 12:43 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: Trump is not preventing anything by appeasing Kim, by keeping the citizens in the dark post-summit he potentially endangering the American People, Trump would have had much more credibility if He followed through with "Fire and Fury" like he threatened to do last year. The Will be a world war, but that World war does not have to Initially involve the US. Except that John Wants us to retain the interventionist policy but at the same time pursue an appeasement/delaying strategy. John's position is that an Attack bringing the US into war must come and must occur at or near the beginning of the war with the appeasement meaning that "at least we delayed the enemy attack originally planned for (lets say) 2015 until (lets say) 2020 at least we had five extra years of peace to enjoy" such is the policy of a weak country like Poland or Belgium, not that of a great power. Trumps meeting with Kim Changed Nothing substantially, North Korea is still developing it's nuclear arsenal, and US troops and Fleets are still opposite North Korea. Johns position is that "American Values" means that Americans must be all good and reject all evil everywhere and rely only on the good, which means any policy other than the traditional one is unacceptable to him because such shifts would compromise the ideal of America as the beacon of morality. Hence Both the option of Nuking North Korea OR signing a peace treaty that puts the US out of the Korean peninsula are both unacceptable to him. John Assumes that boomer ideologues will force their preferences down everyone throats by delaying any actual decision until after a war had already started at which point the citizens would have no choice but to submit to the boomers preferences in order to prevent the country being conquered. Hence a scenario in which the US disarms and warehouses most of its nukes in a few select facilities and then later there is a sneak attack by either Russia, China or any other adversary that includes taking out both our standing forces and the warehouses, such a scenario does not trouble John because it would mean that the Enemy is evil for striking and the strike eliminates the US arsenal which eliminated any Chance of American leaders embracing evil, because John fundamentally distrusts anyone born after the late 1950s, he much prefers that those generations not have that option. Hence his support for nuclear disarmament and his endorsement of boomers refusing to retire and opposition to term limits, thats why he also endorses expanding and hardening the Nuclear Boomer fleet but not the Nuclear Missile arsenal. The Very thought of an unshackled gen-xer holding the "nuclear football" terrifies John. A "pearl harbor" Scenario that occurs while the boomers are still in charge thus an ideological "best case" scenario for JohnX. All of the more positive outcomes generally involve the boomers handing over power to young people for the good of the country, or at the very least an unorthodox boomer faction coming to power. Make No mistake, JohnX is a ideologue who associates globalism with American values, his current support for Trump does not fool me since back when we all were discussing these issues back in 2015 on the old forum, John was gleeful in his support for Hillary and her establishment foreign policy. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - John J. Xenakis - 07-04-2018 (07-04-2018, 02:40 PM)Cynic Hero 86 Wrote:(07-04-2018, 01:32 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:(07-04-2018, 12:43 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: Trump is not preventing anything by appeasing Kim, by keeping the citizens in the dark post-summit he potentially endangering the American People, Trump would have had much more credibility if He followed through with "Fire and Fury" like he threatened to do last year. The Will be a world war, but that World war does not have to Initially involve the US. As usual, you're a total moron, probably on hallucinatory drugs. And I've certainly never supported Hillary, gleefully or otherwise. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Cynic Hero '86 - 07-04-2018 (07-04-2018, 04:26 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:And Now I summon the Fourthturning archive painstakingly salvaged by You, me and several others when the old forum closed down in order to record the sites discussions for posterity. Here I Found the relevant statements from December 2015. Here you mention Hillary as someone who "knows whats going on in the world", whereas I predicted that either Trump or sanders would win due to growing popular hostility to establishment politics.(07-04-2018, 02:40 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote:(07-04-2018, 01:32 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:(07-04-2018, 12:43 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: Trump is not preventing anything by appeasing Kim, by keeping the citizens in the dark post-summit he potentially endangering the American People, Trump would have had much more credibility if He followed through with "Fire and Fury" like he threatened to do last year. The Will be a world war, but that World war does not have to Initially involve the US. http://generationaldynamics.com/tftarchive/10428-Generational-Dynamics-World-View-00115.htm 5-Jul-18 World View -- Al-Assad's attacks on Daraa threaten clashes with Israel and J - John J. Xenakis - 07-04-2018 *** 5-Jul-18 World View -- Al-Assad's attacks on Daraa threaten clashes with Israel and Jordan on Syria's border This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com
**** **** Syria and Russia resume full-scale assault on Daraa **** Displaced Syrians camp near border with Israel-controlled Golan Heights (AFP) After a brief lull in the attacks to provide an opening for negotiations, Syria and Russia have resume full-scale attacks on rebel-held areas in Daraa province. As in the attacks on Aleppo and Ghouta, women and children are particularly targeted. Syria's president Bashar al-Assad uses the technique of attacking peaceful protesters and then, when there's some sort of violent revenge attack, uses that as an excuse to call the entire population "terrorists," and then perform genocide and ethnic cleansing. Daraa has played a special part in Syria's war, and is considered the place where it started. In spring of 2011, two 15-year-old boys posted graffiti in Daraa saying, "Freedom. Down with the regime. Your turn, Doctor," suggesting that al-Assad would suffer the same fate as as leaders in Egypt and Tunisia during the "Arab spring." The word "Doctor" refers to the fact that al-Assad, had been a ophthalmology student when he attended college in London, at a time when his father Hafez al-Assad had been conducting genocide in Syria. This graffiti infuriated al-Assad, who is a psychopathic killer. He ordered the two boys to be tortured and imprisoned, and he launched a furious attack on the people of Daraa. Now he wants to finish up the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Daraa. There's no hope of a negotiated peace in Daraa because al-Assad has every intention of completing the genocide and ethnic cleansing. That's presumably the reason that al-Assad and the Russians aren't giving the people of Daraa the same choices they gave to the people of Aleppo and Ghouta. In the latter two cases, the rebels were allowed to leave with their weapons and their families and travel to Idlib province. But in the case of Daraa, al-Assad and Russia are demanding that the rebels immediately give up their weapons, and are prohibiting the families from going anywhere. We can expect to see a bloody genocidal attack of monumental proportions. EU foreign affairs spokesman Maja Kocijancic said on Saturday that the attacks by al-Assad and the Russias are violation of international law: <QUOTE>"Such attacks are clear violations of international law and international humanitarian law that also put at risk any progress in Geneva for the resumption of the political talks under UN mediation."<END QUOTE> I assume that Kocijancic must be a comedian in her spare time, because this statement will only bring laughter from al-Assad and the Russians. Over the years, I've documented several attempts at peace talks, and each time, al-Assad has made complete fools of the peace mediators, by making promises and then immediately ignoring them. Al-Assad uses peace talks as a cover for further genocide and ethnic cleansing. Al-Assad is the worst genocidal monster and war criminal so far this century. (I always receive comments from people who say that al-Assad is a nice guy because he supposedly protects Christians. That's like saying Hitler was a nice guy because he protected Christians -- except that he didn't. Al-Assad may protect Christians now because he considers them to be useful idiots, but he wouldn't hesitate to kill all of them if he had no further use for them.) About 300,000 people in Daraa and in the adjacent Quneitra province have been fleeing their homes and heading to the borders with Jordan and Israel. Both Jordan and Israel have closed their borders to the refugees, but are providing humanitarian aid. More people are moving to the Israeli border because they believe that al-Assad and Russians will not risk a war with Israel by attacking them there. AFP and Arab News and Middle East Online and World Bulletin (Turkey) **** **** Jordan fears repercussions from Syria's military offensive in Daraa **** There's a great deal of international pressure on Jordan to allow the Syrian refugees fleeing the violence in Daraa to cross the border into Syria. A spokesman for Human Rights Watch said: <QUOTE>"The abject refusal by Jordanian authorities to allow asylum seekers to seek protection not only goes against their international legal obligations, but against basic human decency. Jordanians themselves are appealing to their government’s basic decency and calling for those in need to be let in."<END QUOTE> The European Union is making a similar plea. However, Jordan estimates that it is already hosting some 1.3 million refugees, and earlier this week said that it is unable to host a new wave of refugees, and so the border will remain closed, although Jordan is providing humanitarian aid. However, Jordan has several major concerns about the military action in Daraa. First, closing its border to refugees fleeing violence is a great embarrassment for Jordan, which maintains good relations with all Western powers and human rights organizations. However, Jordan believes that the world has given up on refugees, and are no longer willing to provide funding for the support of refugees in refugee camps. There is particular concern that earlier this year the Trump administration cut funding to the UN agency for Palestinian refugees, but there are 193 countries in the United Nations, and those other countries aren't stepping up to fund Palestinian refugees either. The cut in funding is particular hard on Jordan, which hosts more than two million Palestinian refugees, and Jordan's economy is already in serious trouble. Another concern for Jordan is the lack of security along the border. Jordan has suffered previous terrorist attacks in 2005 and 2016 when jihadists entered Jordan along with waves of refugees. Jordan is also concerned about a demographic change in Daraa. In particular, Jordan is concerned that al-Assad's ethnic cleansing and genocide will empty the region of its Sunni population, to be replaced by people from Iran and Hezbollah. Jordan Times and Human Rights Watch and Middle East Eye and Jordan Times **** **** Israel concerned about infiltration from Iran and Hezbollah **** Like Jordan, Israel is keeping its border closed to the hundreds of thousands of refugees fleeing violence from al-Assad and Russia. Syrians are coming to the area because they hope e that the proximity to Israel will protect them and that al-Assad's troops and warplanes will not bomb them there. Israel has technically been at war with Syria since 1948, and there is a UN peacekeeping force on the border between Syria and Israeli-controlled Golan Heights. Israel has been working with the peacekeeping force to set up "safe zones" within Syria that will be safe from al-Assad's ground forces and Syria's and Russia's warplanes. On Friday, the Israeli army announced that it had taken 300 tents and several tons of food, medicine and clothing to the other side overnight, as humanitarian aid for the Syrian refugees. However, Israel will not allow Syrian refugees to cross the border because of the fear that Iranians and Hezbollah will infiltrate. Debka, an analyst service based on Israeli military and intelligence sources, but which sometimes gets things wrong, is reporting that the US and Israel have begun launching military actions along the border, to counter infiltration by Iran and Hezbollah. It had been hoped that Iran and Hezbollah would not take part in the Daraa and Quneitra attacks, but Russia's foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said on Wednesday, "Iran is one of the key powers in the region and it would be absolutely unrealistic to expect it to abandon its interests." Times of Israel and Deutsche Welle and Debka Related Articles
KEYS: Generational Dynamics, Syria, Bashar al-Assad, Daraa, Russia, Jordan, Aleppo, Ghouta, Turkey, Jordan, Quneitra, Israel, Golan Heights, Iran, Hezbollah, Maja Kocijancic Permanent web link to this article Receive daily World View columns by e-mail Contribute to Generational Dynamics via PayPal John J. Xenakis 100 Memorial Drive Apt 8-13A Cambridge, MA 02142 Phone: 617-864-0010 E-mail: john@GenerationalDynamics.com Web site: http://www.GenerationalDynamics.com Forum: http://www.gdxforum.com/forum Subscribe to World View: http://generationaldynamics.com/subscribe RE: Generational Dynamics World View - John J. Xenakis - 07-05-2018 (07-04-2018, 08:56 PM)Cynic Hero 86 Wrote: > And Now I summon the Fourthturning archive painstakingly salvaged In preserving the fourthturing forum archive, I spent many hours in painstaking software development to collect the threads, and make preserving it possible. Without all my work, the archive would not exist. All you did was suggest the names of a couple of threads. That you're now claiming equal credit with me in preserving the old forum, as if you had done any actual work, is just another example of how delusional and hallucinatory you are. What I wrote at the time (12/25/2015) was: Quote:> Trump is going to get Hillary elected. Which is probably just as That was a statement of fact, not a statement of support for Hillary. At that time, Trump had absolutely no clue what was going on in the world, which was clear every time he opened his mouth. On the other hand, Hillary had been Secretary of State, so she did have some knowledge about what was going on in the world. So your statement that "John was gleeful in his support for Hillary and her establishment foreign policy" is a 100% misrepresentation of what I wrote. I return to my previous statement: As usual, you're a total moron, probably on hallucinatory drugs. And I've certainly never supported Hillary, gleefully or otherwise. What's interesting is what's happened to Trump since then. What I never expected, and which is incredibly amazing, is that Trump hired as his chief adviser Steve Bannon, who is an expert on both military history and Generational Dynamics. What I've continually found to be amazing is that Trump's foreign policy decisions always make sense from the point of view of the Generational Dynamics analysis. On 12/25/2015, Trump had absolutely no clue what's going on in the world, but now Trump seems to know a great deal about what's going on in the world, but from the point of view of Generational Dynamics. Generational Dynamics makes it possible to understand the world in a way that no other method allows (including your own incessessant idiotic boomer nonsense). Not only does Generational Dynamics explain what's going on in the world, but it also provides a methodology for sorting through the millions of things that go on in the world each day to identify the few things each day that are important to foreign policy and the world. In that sense, Trump's understanding of Generational Dynamics from Steve Bannon has provided Trump with a shortcut to understanding what's going on in the world, and therefore the ability to make sensible, coherent decisions which, incidentally, Obama could not. This is an important way of looking at it. Left-wing and right-wing ideologies sort through each day's events and pick out the supposedly important ones, but the ideological choices are consistently wrong, while the choices dictated by Generational Dynamics are the correct ones. It's interesting to speculate what would have happened to Trump if he hadn't hired Steve Bannon as his chief adviser. My guess is that his foreign policy would have been as incoherent as Obama's or Hillary's, though since we're headed for World War III anyway, maybe it wouldn't have made any difference. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - pbrower2a - 07-05-2018 Incoherence of foreign policy fits a President who recognizes that Congress has budgetary power over war. The President can get away with a short, swift war such as invasions of Grenada and Panama against anti-American dictators who start posing some clear and present danger to American lives or security interests, or for the liberation of Kuwait. We get into big trouble when the President and Congress both approve of a war that starts going badly and then one of the partners starts to want out. So a practice of getting involved only in wars in which there is a clear objective, an easily-expressed justification, and an exit strategy might look incoherent, but it also keeps one from distinguishing the foreign policy of Bill Clinton or Barack Obama from that of the elder Bush. A President with more vainglory, like Dubya to a lesser extent or Trump to an overpowering extent might not show so much scruple. Wars for profit have their constituencies. entities that I have no desire to discuss in detail. A steady flow of body bags from Iraq and Afghanistan can discredit a President's policy with Dubya. Vainglory is dangerous, whatever ideology or personality it allegedly serves. As Americans recognize how badly things could go in Iraq and Afghanistan, we get another story about Venezuela. The President asked about the wisdom of invading the country. It looks like a big win due to profits for the armaments industry and quite possibly a takeover of the state-owned oil company by American oil companies. Aggressive war is analogous in some ways to a hostile takeover in business -- the difference being that people don;t get killed in hostile takeovers in American business (so long as the businessmen aren't gangsters). From the Associated Press: Quote:BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) — As a meeting last August in the Oval Office to discuss sanctions on Venezuela was concluding, President Donald Trump turned to his top aides and asked an unsettling question: With a fast unraveling Venezuela threatening regional security, why can’t the U.S. just simply invade the troubled country? https://www.apnews.com/a3309c4990ac4581834d4a654f7746ef/US-official:-Trump-pressed-aides-about-Venezuela-invasion Venezuela is neither Grenada (which the Reagan team handled well) nor Panama (where the military strongman had threatened Americans and had been shown to be in collusion with international drug syndicates) ... it's a much bigger country. Despise Chavez or Maduro for demagoguery and a dictatorial course all that you want, an invasion of Venezuela is something that grown-ups not going senile do not want unless those grown-ups consider war profits or asset seizures more valuable than human life. The adults in the room (then Tillerson and McMaster) are now. This may not be so much a generational issue as one of character of a political leader. Maybe our current Crisis Era has been marking time until the leaders are in place to bring out its worst. I would not be surprised if President Trump called for some War for Profit -- and his glorification. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Cynic Hero '86 - 07-05-2018 (07-05-2018, 09:27 AM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:(07-04-2018, 08:56 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: > And Now I summon the Fourthturning archive painstakingly salvaged Ideologues can only harangue because our current political system is one in which only "experts" are allowed to make actual policy decisions. And this is a system fanatically supported by your generation. As long as that is the case no one would be allowed to change anything unless there is a catastrophic collapse. The citizens want their actual rights back, the swamp WILL LOSE. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Cynic Hero '86 - 07-05-2018 (07-05-2018, 11:00 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Incoherence of foreign policy fits a President who recognizes that Congress has budgetary power over war. The President can get away with a short, swift war such as invasions of Grenada and Panama against anti-American dictators who start posing some clear and present danger to American lives or security interests, or for the liberation of Kuwait. We get into big trouble when the President and Congress both approve of a war that starts going badly and then one of the partners starts to want out. So a practice of getting involved only in wars in which there is a clear objective, an easily-expressed justification, and an exit strategy might look incoherent, but it also keeps one from distinguishing the foreign policy of Bill Clinton or Barack Obama from that of the elder Bush. You do notice that there was a discussion of geopolitical issues on this thread? The Rest of us do not want to be distracted by this partisan clap-trap. Stop Cluttering up this thread with politically motivated nonsense. RE: Generational Dynamics World View - pbrower2a - 07-05-2018 (07-05-2018, 11:19 AM)Cynic Hero Wrote: You do notice that there was a discussion of geopolitical issues on this thread? The Rest of us do not want to be distracted by this partisan clap-trap. Stop Cluttering up this thread with politically motivated nonsense. So what? This news item demonstrates the impulsiveness and quick anger of the President. Political choices include military blunders (including pointless war crimes*) of political leaders, and can make the geopolitical reality. They can force people who dislike discussing it to contemplate it. It is not partisan claptrap. Personalities matter greatly in events. Have someone like Konrad Adenauer as Chancellor of Germany in 1938, and history is very different. The faults with geopolitics include its neglect of personalities as drivers of military decisions.. History is more than a collection of disjointed biographies, but personalities matter, too. Generational theory connects people to the times of their origins and in to the times in which they do their critical deeds )if ever) or are parts of mass markets or cultural trends even if 'only' consumers. Time is environment, too. Conduct matters. I separate news from comment because I respect AP. If you want to say that the story is a fabrication, then that is your choice. That is not to say that you made a mistake in doing so. *I attribute the Allied victory to Axis war crimes more than to anything else -- even better generalship, greater economic power, tighter economic controls, and better use of science and technology. Had it not been for the horrible crimes that the Nazis committed in Poland from the start of their invasion, the British would have surrendered at the decisive defeat at Dunkirk and steered clear of the fanatical anti-Nazi Churchill. The Allies had the great Jewish scientists that the Nazis would have murdered had they gotten the chance. The Poles successfully slipped an Enigma machine to the British, and the British practically invented a computer to read the Nazi naval 'mail'. 6-Jul-18 World View -- Sec of State Pompeo visits North Korea amid reports that sanct - John J. Xenakis - 07-05-2018 *** 6-Jul-18 World View -- Sec of State Pompeo visits North Korea amid reports that sanctions will be softened This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com
**** **** Sec of State Pompeo visits North Korea amid reports that sanctions will be softened **** Kim Jong-un makes a big show of taking notes at a factory in this North Korean media photo Secretary of State Mike Pompeo headed to North Korea for another meeting with Kim Jong-un on Thursday, amid reports that sanctions will be softened, either by the US or by China. According to a Japanese report on a meeting last week in Beijing between North Korean leader Kim Jong-un and China's president Xi Jinping, Kim asked Xi to help end sanctions targeting North Korea. The report quotes Kim as telling Xi: <QUOTE>"We are feeling great pain due to economic sanctions. Now that we have concluded the US-North Korea summit in success, I want (China) to work toward early lifting of the sanctions."<END QUOTE> According to the report, Xi said that he would do his "utmost" to satisfy the request. However, since the June 12 summit meeting between Kim and president Donald Trump, there has been no evidence that North Korea intends to keep its promise to denuclearize. At the same time, there were reports last week, based on satellite imagery, that North Korea has been rapidly building new infrastructure at its Yongbyon Nuclear Scientific Research Center, where plutonium for nuclear weapons is produced. Since China has always been North Korea's main trading partner, China has had to take responsibility for implementing many of the sanctions. However, there have been reports in recent weeks that China has already partially weakened its own enforcement of the sanctions. Some analysts are claiming that Trump has already given up a lot by agreeing to cancel the joint military drills with South Korea, without getting anything in the return from the North. The State Dept. on Thursday denied that it has softened its approach to North Korea denuclearization. According to State Department spokesman Heather Nauert: <QUOTE>Nothing could be further from the truth. Our policy toward North Korea has not changed. We are committed to a denuclearized North Korea and Secretary Pompeo looks forward to continuing his consultations with North Korean leaders to follow up on the commitments made at the Singapore summit."<END QUOTE> Many people, including myself, are skeptical that Kim Jong-un has any intention at all of denuclearizing. The purpose of Pompeo's current trip is to get some specific commitments. According to Pompeo, "On this trip I’m seeking to fill in some details on those commitments and continue the momentum toward implementation of what the two leaders promised each other and the world." AFP (1-July) and Reuters and 38 North (26-June) and Joongang Daily (Seoul) **** **** Pompeo's visit will test Trump's negotiating strategy **** The reality of the situation is that the negotiations could break down very quickly, and we could very quickly be as close to war as we were in January, before Kim Jong-un's charm offensive at the Seoul Olympics. As I've said in the past, in my opinion the North Koreans have had one and only one objective: Use diplomacy to force the Trump administration to lift the sanctions, while continuing nuclear weapons and missile development. North Korea is said to be asking for "staged denuclearization." This means that North Korea and the US alternate in making concessions on a step by step basis, with the US removing each sanction in return for North Korea taking a denuclearization step. If this is Kim's strategy, it doesn't seem that he's following it. The satellite imagery that shows infrastructure development at the Yongbyon Nuclear Research Facility cannot be a surprise to Kim. The North would have been aware that the infrastructure changes would be detected by satellite imagery, and it's therefore reasonably to conclude that Kim wanted this development to be made public, perhaps as a warning to the US that unless concessions are made rapidly, the North will continue developing nuclear weapons. According to reports, Pompeo is going to press Kim to provide a complete list of all nuclear and ballistic missile production sites, and a timetable for shutting them down. If, as expected, Kim refuses to produce such a list, then there might be a major confrontation, or they may kick the can down the road to a later meeting. Trump said on Thursday, <QUOTE>"I really believe that he sees a different future for North Korea. I hope that’s true. If that’s not true, we’ll go back to the other way."<END QUOTE> In other words, the North Korean situation could blow up into a full "crisis" again for the first time in months. The real disaster would be if Trump gives in and reduces sanctions, getting nothing in return. Korea Times and Channel News Asia Related Articles:
**** **** Commentary: The US imposes tariffs on Chinese imports **** The US has gone ahead with tariffs on Chinese imports, as of 12:01 am on Friday. China's statements in response to these tariffs have been getting increasingly angry in tone. The Chinese appear to be infuriated and humiliated by the tariffs, much more strongly that Europe, Canada or Mexico. If you're looking for a historical analogy, one place where you might start is the sanctions that the US imposed on Japan on July 24, 1941. The sanctions were in retaliation for Japanese occupation of French Indo-China (Vietnam). Four and one-half months later, on December 7, 1941, Japan's bombers attacked Pearl Harbor. History.com KEYS: Generational Dynamics, North Korea, Kim Jong-un, Mike Pompeo, China, Xi Jinping, Yongbyon Nuclear Research Facility Permanent web link to this article Receive daily World View columns by e-mail Contribute to Generational Dynamics via PayPal John J. Xenakis 100 Memorial Drive Apt 8-13A Cambridge, MA 02142 Phone: 617-864-0010 E-mail: john@GenerationalDynamics.com Web site: http://www.GenerationalDynamics.com Forum: http://www.gdxforum.com/forum Subscribe to World View: http://generationaldynamics.com/subscribe 7-Jul-18 World View -- Russia's actions in Sea of Azov raise fears of another invasio - John J. Xenakis - 07-06-2018 *** 7-Jul-18 World View -- Russia's actions in Sea of Azov raise fears of another invasion of Ukraine This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com
**** **** Russia's actions in Sea of Azov raise fears of another invasion of Ukraine **** Ukraine. In 2014, Russia invaded and occupied Donbas, and invaded and annexed Crimea. In 2018, Russia completed a bridge over the Kerch Strait, controlling access to the Sea of Azov. The Russian navy in recent weeks has boosted its presence in the Sea of Azov to approximately 40 ships, giving it the ability to control that body of water and to strike virtually at will along Ukraine's coastline there. This is the latest in a series of Russian threats and acts of harassment direct at crippling Ukraine's economy, and possibly preparing for new military actions. Ever since 2014, when Russia invaded and occupied eastern Ukraine (Donbas), and then invaded and annexed Ukraine's Crimea peninsula, there have been continuing fears that Russia would launch a new invasion and annex another portion of Ukraine. It's been thought that the most likely target of a new Russian invasion would be the port cities of Mariupol, Berdyansk, and the entire strip of land along the Sea of Azov connecting Russia to Crimea, creating a land bridge from Russia to Crimea, and taking total control of the Sea of Azov. No such invasion has occurred, but starting in May 2015, Russia began constructing an 11.8 mile bridge across the Kerch Strait, from Russia to Crimea, to allow transport of goods and people between Russia and Crimea, and also to control access to the Sea of Azov. The construction of the bridge immediately had a severe effect on Ukraine's economy. Russia several times closed the Kerch Strait to maritime traffic, trapping commercial vessels docked in Mariupol and Berdyansk seaports. During 2017, freight traffic was reduced 43% and transshipments shrank by 30%, totally $54 million in 2017. The Kerch Strait bridge officially opened on May 16, a year earlier than initially announced. Many vessels that used to deliver goods to Azov seaports can no longer do so at all because the Russians have deliberately made the passageways under the bridge too small for many vessels. The Russians have all but blocked the Ukrainian seaports on the Sea of Azov, stopping international vessels from shipping goods to and from Ukrainian cities. Russia's security forces stop and search dozens of vessels, and delay them for days. In the four days last week from July 2-5, Russia's security forces detained seven cases. Jamestown and Hromadske (Ukraine) and Eurasia Review and Maritime Bulletin and Jamestown **** **** Ukraine's Donbas war continues, as US supplies Javelin anti-tank missiles **** In Kiev, a metal silhouette of a girl with a balloon, dotted with bullet holes, a reminder of the war in Donbas. (Getty) The war in Ukraine began in 2014 when Russian troops invaded eastern Ukraine, a region known as the Donbas. The war is entering its fifth year, and with no end in sight. More than 10,000 people have been killed, including 2,800 civilians. Nearly two million people have been internally displaced or put at risk if they remain in their homes. Because of a fear of a further major Russian military invasion, the Donald Trump administration last year approved the sale of Javelin anti-tank missile systems. A $47 million U.S. military-aid package approved last year specified 210 Javelin antitank missiles and 37 Javelin launchers, two of them spares. Ukraine announced on April 30 that they had been delivered. The missiles are to be used only for defensive purposes. According to a US statement at the time of the sale last year: <QUOTE>"This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by improving the security of Ukraine. The Javelin system will help Ukraine build its long-term defense capacity to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity in order to meet its national defense requirements. Ukraine will have no difficulty absorbing this system into its armed forces. The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region."<END QUOTE> The U.S.-made FGM-148 Javelin is a fire-and-forget anti-tank missile that uses infrared guidance to hit armored targets. The guidance system is contrasted to wire-guided anti-tank missiles, which require a shooter to actively guide the weapon until it hits its target. A Javelin shooter can immediately seek cover after firing its shot. Russia's foreign ministry reacted to the sale by accusing the United States with "fomenting a war." Such statements from Russia are always laughable, since Russia has absolutely no credibility. Russia invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea, lying about it every step of the way, and continually supplied weapons to the forces in the Donbas. In particular, it was a Russian-made Buk missile that shot down the Malaysian Airlines passenger plane in July 2014, killing hundreds of passengers. Washington Post and RFE/RL and Newsweek and Defense News Related Articles:
KEYS: Generational Dynamics, Ukraine, Russia, Donbas, Crimea, Kerch Strait, Sea of Azov, Mariupol, Berdyansk Permanent web link to this article Receive daily World View columns by e-mail Contribute to Generational Dynamics via PayPal John J. Xenakis 100 Memorial Drive Apt 8-13A Cambridge, MA 02142 Phone: 617-864-0010 E-mail: john@GenerationalDynamics.com Web site: http://www.GenerationalDynamics.com Forum: http://www.gdxforum.com/forum Subscribe to World View: http://generationaldynamics.com/subscribe RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Cynic Hero '86 - 07-06-2018 Once again the Government ignores the American people and the fact that the administration had popular support in the election because they had promised that the US would get out of Ukraine, and Syria for that matter. Death to globalism, death to Human Rights Tyranny, Death to THE SWAMP. 8-Jul-18 World View -- North Korea issues vitriolic anti-US rant, collapsing denuclea - John J. Xenakis - 07-07-2018 *** 8-Jul-18 World View -- North Korea issues vitriolic anti-US rant, collapsing denuclearization talks This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com
**** **** North Korea issues vitriolic anti-US rant, collapsing denuclearization talks **** Mike Pompeo in Pyongyang after his meetings on Saturday (AFP) Secretary of State Mike Pompeo visited North Korean on Friday and Saturday, where he was snubbed by not having a meeting with the child dictator Kim Jong-un. Pompeo characterized the meeting as "successful," but the North Korean news agency KCNA issued a 1,300 word vitriolic anti-US rant, criticizing the "gangster-like demand for denuclearization," and then contradicting itself by threatening to end its alleged "unshakable will for denuclearization." Here are some excerpts: <QUOTE>"It was, however, so regretful to mention what the U.S. side had shown in its attitude and stand at the first DPRK-U.S. high-level talks held on 6 and 7 July. The DPRK [North Korea] side, during the talks, put forward the constructive proposals to seek a balanced implementation of all the provisions of the Joint Statement out of its firm willingness to remain faithful to the implementation of the spirit and agreed points of the DPRK-U.S. summit meeting and talks. ... But, the U.S. side came up only with its unilateral and gangster-like demand for denuclearization just calling for CVID, declaration and verification, all of which run counter to the spirit of the Singapore summit meeting and talks. ... The issues the U.S. side insisted on at the talks are all roots of troubles, which the previous administrations also had insisted on to disrupt the dialogue processes, stoke the distrust and increase the danger of war. ... The first DPRK-U.S. high-level talks this time brought us in a dangerous situation where we may be shaken in our unshakable will for denuclearization, rather than consolidating trust between the DPRK and the U.S. In the last few months, we displayed maximum patience and watched the U.S. while initiating good-will steps as many as we can. But, it seems that the U.S. misunderstood our goodwill and patience. The U.S. is fatally mistaken if it went to the extent of regarding that the DPRK would be compelled to accept, out of its patience, the demands reflecting its gangster-like mindset. ... But, if the U.S., being captivated in a fidget, tries to force upon us the old ways claimed by the previous administrations, this will get us nowhere. ... We still cherish our good faith in President Trump.<END QUOTE> The acronym CVID refers to "complete, verifiable, irreversible denuclearization," which has been the stated objective of the Trump administration from the beginning. KCNA (North Korea) and AP **** **** The North Korean demands: total American withdrawal from South Korea **** As I wrote two days ago ( "6-Jul-18 World View -- Sec of State Pompeo visits North Korea amid reports that sanctions will be softened" ), the objective of Pompeo's trip was to press Kim to provide a complete list of all nuclear and ballistic missile production sites, and a timetable for shutting them down. Obviously the North Koreans balked at that request. As I've said in the past, in my opinion the North Koreans have had one and only one objective for these meetings: Use diplomacy to force the Trump administration to lift the sanctions, while continuing nuclear weapons and missile development. Saturday's KCNA statement is exactly in line with that objective. The North Koreans made the "reasonable" demand that the Korea war be officially ended (as opposed to the current status, officially still at war after an armistice was signed in 1953): <QUOTE>"The U.S. side never mentioned the issue of establishing a peace regime on the Korean peninsula which is essential for defusing tension and preventing a war. It took the position that it would even backtrack on the issue it had agreed on to end the status of war under certain conditions and excuses. As for the issue of announcing the declaration of the end of war at an early date, it is the first process of defusing tension and establishing a lasting peace regime on the Korean peninsula, and at the same time, it constitutes a first factor in creating trust between the DPRK and the U.S. This issue was also stipulated in Panmunjom Declaration as a historical task to terminate the war status on the Korean peninsula which continues for nearly 70 years. President Trump, too, was more enthusiastic about this issue at the DPRK-U.S. summit talks. ... The U.S. side, during the talks, made a great publicity about suspension of one or two joint military exercises. But suspension of one action called exercises is a highly reversible step which can be resumed anytime at any moment as all of its military force remains intact in its previously-held positions without scraping even a rifle. This is incomparable with the irreversible step taken by the DPRK to explode and dismantle the nuclear test ground."<END QUOTE> This is all a demand that the US withdraw all its forces from South Korea before any denuclearization can take place. Related to this are other demands, including removal of the THAAD defensive anti-missile system from South Korea, and removal of American forces from Okinawa. At one time in the past, a North Korean official was quoted as saying that North Korea will give up its nuclear weapons after the US gives up its nuclear weapons. It's true, as the North Koreans claim, that the suspension of the joint military exercises is reversible, but the claim about the exploding and dismantling the Punggye-ri nuclear test site in Mount Mantap is also reversible, and may be completely fraudulent. The North Koreans did not permit nuclear experts to witness the explosions, and so the explosions may only have been a big show to gain negotiating leverage. Furthermore, as we discussed at the time, other parts of Mount Mantap can be used as nuclear test sites, and there may be dozens of other locations in North Korea. This is probably one of the reasons why Pompeo's request for a list of test sites was denied on Saturday. The purpose of the KCNA statement was to make a "reasonable" request, in order to get the Trump administration to lift the sanctions, with no significant concessions by the North. At the end of the day on Saturday, the sanctions were still in full force. **** **** The future of the denuclearization negotiations **** There's no doubt that the denuclearization "negotiations" have now taken a sharp turn. Recall that Trump canceled the summit negotiations six weeks ago. ( "25-May-18 World View -- North Korea suffers diplomatic defeat as Trump cancels summit" ) One of the things that triggered Trump's cancelation was continued criticism of and contempt for Trump in the North Korean media. Since the cancelation, the NK media have been consistently "nice" to Trump and the US. So Saturday's criticism is extremely significant because it's the first hostile comment in the NK media since the cancellation. In a sense it represents NK's first real counter-response to Trump's cancellation. One thing that's notable about the KCNA statement on Saturday is that it came a few hours after Pompeo had said the meetings had gone well, so there was no need to make this statement right away. I've said in the past that if Kim tried to really denuclearize, then he'd be shot and killed by his own generals. The denuclearization negotiations must have, at the very least, caused bitter disagreements in NK's leadership, much like what's happening in London with Brexit or in Berlin over the migration issue. So the statement, when it wasn't even necessary, is a sign that the faction opposing the negotiations has just gained the upper hand. This is probably the real significance of the statement, and it means an end to current track of negotiations. The South Korean's must have seen this coming, because they've been urging the US to soften its demands on NK. Going along with the South Koreans would have meant making concessions without any denuclearization steps by NK, so it had to be rejected, but now we're facing the inevitable outcome. There's one more thing that has to be remembered: From the point of view of Generational Dynamics, this is a generational Crisis era, where nationalism and xenophobia are at historical high points. So it wouldn't take much to reach a tipping point for the North Koreans to abandon the negotiations. (People always point to the East-West Germany reunification talks in 1991 as examples that could be followed for Korean reunification. But that example is completely irrelevant, since those talks occurred during a generational Unraveling era, where nationalism and xenophobia are at historical lowest points.) The other thing that's going on, as I pointed out in my article two days ago is that the Chinese are furious about the tariffs that president Trump has been imposing. The Chinese are liars and cheaters and criminals, but like the Nazis, they consider themselves to be the Master Race who have the right to lie and cheat and extort to get whatever they want, because they have such total contempt for the West. The statement that NK issued Saturday may have been encouraged by the Chinese, because of their fury over the tariffs. I also pointed out that there's an analogy with the sanctions imposed on Japan on July 24, 1941, which infuriated the Japanese and motivated the Pearl Harbor attack on December 7. I can't prove this, of course, but with nationalism and xenophobia at their historic peaks, I have the feeling that a similar dynamic is going on with China and North Korea towards America and the West. What choices are now available to the Trump administration? Here are some possibilities:
Any of these choices have unpredictable results, because the North Koreans have absolutely no intention of agreeing to denuclearization, and that will have to become clear at some point. Furthermore, with xenophobia and nationalism at historic highs in both China and North Korea, any action might produce a hostile reaction. It's well to remember that we've only had these negotiations because of a remarkable coincidence: Just as things were heating up to a boil in January, it was time for, of all things, the Olympics games in Seoul. This permitted the North to continue nuclear and ballistic missile development, while putting on a charm offensive that lasted several months. The charm offensive is now completely derailed. For those who would like a thin reed of hope to grasp onto, let me offer one. In my article "12-Feb-18 World View -- What was Kim Yo-jong thinking as she returned to North Korea from the Olympics?" , I speculated that Kim Jong-un's sister, Kim Yo-jong, might have been so overtaken with the vibrancy and high standard of living of South Korean society, compared to the deadliness and near starvation as a constant in the North, she might have taken it upon herself to convince her brother to give up his nuclear program, for the good of the North Korean people. In that article, I described how Soviet leader Boris Yeltsin had decided to give up Communism after visiting the United States in September, 1989. I wrote that article in February, and since that time dozens of top North Korean leaders have visited the South, and have seen for themselves how the NK people have suffered enormously under Communism. Trump himself has frequently pointed out to the North Koreans that they could have a great future if they give up their nuclear program. So the thin reed of hope that I'm offering is that Kim Jong-un and his generals take the same lesson that Yeltsin took, and decide that, for the good of the North Korean people, it would be best to give up not only the nuclear program, but Communism. Something like that would be truly historic, but don't hold your breath waiting for it. Reuters and The Hill and Fox News Related Articles:
KEYS: Generational Dynamics, North Korea, Kim Jong-un, Mike Pompeo, Punggye-ri nuclear test site, Mount Mantap, China, Xi Jinping, Japan, Pearl Harbor, Kim Yo-jong, Russia, Boris Yeltsin Permanent web link to this article Receive daily World View columns by e-mail Contribute to Generational Dynamics via PayPal John J. Xenakis 100 Memorial Drive Apt 8-13A Cambridge, MA 02142 Phone: 617-864-0010 E-mail: john@GenerationalDynamics.com Web site: http://www.GenerationalDynamics.com Forum: http://www.gdxforum.com/forum Subscribe to World View: http://generationaldynamics.com/subscribe RE: Generational Dynamics World View - Cynic Hero '86 - 07-07-2018 What an idiotic analysis. North Korea is not a threat to America because North Korea is communist, North Korea is a threat to America because it is pointing Nuclear Missiles at the US. Stop with this Regime Change Nonsense, the objective if there is a war ought to be annihilation of North Korea, land and people. |