(12-01-2017, 12:20 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(12-01-2017, 10:38 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Mike Flynn is expected to plead guilty to lying to the FBI, a technicality in contrast to what he might have been charged with.

It's done.  Now to see what emerges from that.  Assume a long delay before we know.

(12-01-2017, 02:55 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Well, well, well. America is about to become an absolute,  pure plutocracy. Only one commodity matters now in America: asset ownership. All else means nothing. Not talent,  ability, morals, or toil. America is going to go from about the tenth-best country in which to live to about the sixtieth.

If I were younger and had children I would emigrate. If one isn;t born rich one will have no chance in America except to suffer for people with great wealth and no conscience.

(12-01-2017, 02:55 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Well, well, well. America is about to become an absolute,  pure plutocracy. Only one commodity matters now in America: asset ownership. All else means nothing. Not talent,  ability, morals, or toil. America is going to go from about the tenth-best country in which to live to about the sixtieth.

If I were younger and had children I would emigrate. If one isn;t born rich one will have no chance in America except to suffer for people with great wealth and no conscience.

(12-03-2017, 04:27 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(12-01-2017, 02:55 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Well, well, well. America is about to become an absolute,  pure plutocracy. Only one commodity matters now in America: asset ownership. All else means nothing. Not talent,  ability, morals, or toil. America is going to go from about the tenth-best country in which to live to about the sixtieth.

If I were younger and had children I would emigrate. If one isn;t born rich one will have no chance in America except to suffer for people with great wealth and no conscience.

Agreed and the GOP tax rip-off is an unmitigated disaster. As a matter of fact it's a declaration of class warfare against all working people. Yeah, such a sweet deal if you're a speculator or a rentier. You get lower tax rates than folks who work. However, let it be known, that is economically unsustainable. That which is unsustainable will at some point stop. What's Corporate America to do when there's no customers? That's a problem as most of the E-shit is imported so there's not much recycling of money spent in our economy anyway. Most of the money goes to stock owners and overseas manufacturers. Debt is pretty much the only thing fueling consumer demand now. I think after a while demand will collapse and take the economy with it if policy does not change. And... the Neoliberal privatize everything is a gift that just keeps giving, man.

Hello Flint, you have a buddy that also went through the privatize everything Neoliberal song.
http://www.pgh2o.com/lead-facts


So yeah right, the private sector does everything right, bullshit!
https://www.wired.com/2016/10/pittsburghs-drinking-water-got-contaminated-lead/

Those CEOs belong in prison, now.

So , there you go. The Republicans have a vision alright,
#MAGA Make America Gilded Again.  With all the worker abuse and pollution to go with it. 

So, let the fireworks begin. I hope the economy crashes and takes Der Trumpenfurfur and his merry gang of GOP fuckwits with him.

(12-03-2017, 04:27 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: So , there you go. The Republicans have a vision alright,
#MAGA Make America Gilded Again.  With all the worker abuse and pollution to go with it. 

So, let the fireworks begin. I hope the economy crashes and takes Der Trumpenfurfur and his merry gang of GOP fuckwits with him.

(12-04-2017, 12:01 PM)rds Wrote:

(12-03-2017, 04:27 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: So , there you go. The Republicans have a vision alright,
#MAGA Make America Gilded Again.  With all the worker abuse and pollution to go with it. 

So, let the fireworks begin. I hope the economy crashes and takes Der Trumpenfurfur and his merry gang of GOP fuckwits with him.

The only things they specialize in are cruelty, stinginess and hypocrisy.  The sooner this pack of animals masquerading as men are thrown on the dustbin of history the better.

(12-04-2017, 02:47 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(12-04-2017, 12:01 PM)rds Wrote:

(12-03-2017, 04:27 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: So , there you go. The Republicans have a vision alright,
#MAGA Make America Gilded Again.  With all the worker abuse and pollution to go with it. 

So, let the fireworks begin. I hope the economy crashes and takes Der Trumpenfurfur and his merry gang of GOP fuckwits with him.

The only things they specialize in are cruelty, stinginess and hypocrisy.  The sooner this pack of animals masquerading as men are thrown on the dustbin of history the better.

Don't assume anything.  We may be in this for a lot longer than we think.  2018 will tell a lot of tales.  If the vote leans heavily white. male and older, it will prove that we learned nothing.  Worse, we're already inured to a level of bad behavior we haven't witnessed since the ACW.

(12-04-2017, 02:47 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(12-04-2017, 12:01 PM)rds Wrote:

(12-03-2017, 04:27 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: So , there you go. The Republicans have a vision alright,
#MAGA Make America Gilded Again.  With all the worker abuse and pollution to go with it. 

So, let the fireworks begin. I hope the economy crashes and takes Der Trumpenfurfur and his merry gang of GOP fuckwits with him.

The only things they specialize in are cruelty, stinginess and hypocrisy.  The sooner this pack of animals masquerading as men are thrown on the dustbin of history the better.

Don't assume anything.  We may be in this for a lot longer than we think.  2018 will tell a lot of tales.  If the vote leans heavily white. male and older, it will prove that we learned nothing.  Worse, we're already inured to a level of bad behavior we haven't witnessed since the ACW.

(12-05-2017, 11:58 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Indeed the only sure lesson of history is that corrupt elites do everything possible to entrench themselves in power and, to the extent possible, either corrupt their possible competition or opponents or obliterate those opponents. That is why rebels were broken at the wheel and witches were burned at the stake. The usual command of an oppressor is "Suffer me, or die horribly!"

I can see the current bare majority in power in America resorting to mass murder to keep their economic and political power. They have crossed into the zone of infamy. That is why Stalin's courts so readily issued the sentence "ten years without the right of correspondence". The person receiving such a sentence was quickly shot with no ceremony or appeal. He certainly never corresponded with anyone after that, did he?

This President better resembles infamous dictators than any prior President of the United States in practice. This Crisis could give us an America with torture chambers, concentration camps, and sites of mass killings. This President better resembles Slobodan Milosevic or Ferdinand Marcos than any prior President of the United States. He4 admires dictators -- not even conservative leaders like Reagan or Thatcher.

(12-05-2017, 01:44 PM)rds Wrote:

(12-05-2017, 11:58 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Indeed the only sure lesson of history is that corrupt elites do everything possible to entrench themselves in power and, to the extent possible, either corrupt their possible competition or opponents or obliterate those opponents. That is why rebels were broken at the wheel and witches were burned at the stake. The usual command of an oppressor is "Suffer (for) me, or die horribly!"

I can see the current bare majority in power in America resorting to mass murder to keep their economic and political power. They have crossed into the zone of infamy. That is why Stalin's courts so readily issued the sentence "ten years without the right of correspondence". The person receiving such a sentence was quickly shot with no ceremony or appeal. He certainly never corresponded with anyone after that, did he?

This President better resembles infamous dictators than any prior President of the United States in practice. This Crisis could give us an America with torture chambers, concentration camps, and sites of mass killings. This President better resembles Slobodan Milosevic or Ferdinand Marcos than any prior President of the United States. He4 admires dictators -- not even conservative leaders like Reagan or Thatcher.

What amazes me is that the attitude of "it can't happen here" is so firmly into the psyche that most people I talk to just give me a dumb look when I say things can get much worse.   Everyone knows the barbarity of the Nazi's and most know about Pol Pot, but they can't adjust their thinking to see it could happen here, all too soon.  This is why objectifying people is so self destructive, most Americans here would read your statement about the death camps, and think you were bonkers, because they 'know' the German people of the '20s and the Khmer Rouge were just animals.  Just this morning there's a report out that Trump wants to set up a private intelligence service with his old bud Erik Prince.  I can't decide if they'll mutate into 'right wing death squads' or a new Praetorian Guard.  Either way, not good.