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A personality cult for Trump? - pbrower2a - 05-24-2019

Updated because I now have a source:


I cannot verify this, as it seems too extreme to be credible. But 'too bad to be true' describes much of what has been said of this President.

By Vice-President Pence, who supposedly said in ONE cabinet meeting alone:



Quote:“Thank you for seeing, through the course of this year, an agenda that truly is restoring this country.”
“You described it very well, Mr. President.”
“You've restored American credibility on the world stage.”
“You've signed more bills rolling back federal red tape than any president in American history.”
“You've unleashed American energy.”
“You've spurred an optimism in this country that's setting records.”
“You promised the American people in that campaign a year ago that you would deliver historic tax cuts, and it would be a 'middle-class miracle.' And in just a short period of time, that promise will be fulfilled.”
“I’m deeply humbled, as your vice president, to be able to be here."
“Because of your leadership, Mr. President, and because of the strong support of the leadership in the Congress of the United States, you're delivering on that middle-class miracle.”
“You've actually got the Congress to do, as you said, what they couldn’t do with [the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska] for 40 years.”
“You got the Congress to do, with tax cuts for working families and American businesses, what they haven’t been able to do for 31 years.”
“And you got Congress to do what they couldn’t do for seven years, in repealing the individual mandate in Obamacare.”
“Mostly, Mr. President, I’ll end where I began and just tell you, I want to thank you, Mr. President. I want to thank you for speaking on behalf of and fighting every day for the forgotten men and women of America.”
“Because of your determination, because of your leadership, the forgotten men and women of America are forgotten no more. And we are making America great again.”


If this is so, then I miss Dick Cheney (by contrast as Veep) .


RE: A personality cult for Trump? - pbrower2a - 05-24-2019

It's old now (from 2016, before the election of this President), but the writer (Michael Medved) and the magazine (National Review) have unimpeachable credentials for conservatism.

If the GOP is breaking apart over differences on issues, why is it altogether impossible for the warring factions to reach some accommodation to save the party?

Is it truly unthinkable that Donald Trump could sit down with Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and John Kasich, joined by Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, and, with the help of a few bottles of fine Kentucky bourbon (perhaps provided by Mitch McConnell), work something out for their mutual benefit?

The obvious answer to such questions is that the current divisions have little or nothing to do with issues, or with the popular notion of some snooty “establishment” looking with contempt at the GOP’s long-suffering base.

The divisions are about one man, a singular and profoundly polarizing personality. You can compromise over issues, or address grievances from the party’s rank-and-file to its feeble and teetering hierarchy. But you can’t split the difference over contrasting attitudes toward an egomaniacal Bonapartist whose followers believe that he, and he alone, possesses the magical power to “make America great again” and whose critics believe, with equal fervor, that his reckless, demagogic style, dubious character, and authoritarian tendencies render him altogether unfit for service in the nation’s highest office.

Two thought experiments make the matter incontestably clear.

Imagine that the soon-to-be-70-year-old candidate (who reaches that milestone on June 14) shows the vulnerability that actuarial tables would predict for him and suffers some sort of debilitating health crisis before the convention. What replacement candidate would be acceptable? If his candidacy truly were about issues, attitudes, or the anxieties and the resentments of one group of voters or another, there surely would be some designated heir who could fill even Trumps yuuge shoes.

There isn’t, because this entire fight isn’t about policy or populism, it’s about personality — nothing more, and nothing less.

#share#Another thought experiment should reinforce the point. What if all the poohbahs of the dreaded establishment — Romney, John McCain, Jeb Bush, Reince Priebus, even John Boehner for good measure — were to offer some sort of formal terms of surrender to the pitchforks-and- torches brigades? They could agree to endorse a candidate who embraced every single element of Trumpism, committing himself to each goal and program elucidated on the Trump website, just as long as that candidate was someone less divisive and polarizing than Donald J. Trump himself. They might even offer to allow Mr. Trump to select new leadership for the Republican National Committee. I have little doubt that the party apparatchiks would readily sign on to such a deal if they avoided the sure and shattering defeat that would flow from a Trump nomination.

By accepting or proposing this sort of arrangement, party leaders could prove that their opposition to Trump’s nomination for president isn’t based on a compulsion to preserve their own power (it would be gone under the suggested deal) or even to maintain a moderate, pragmatic policy approach that avatars of anger so ferociously decry.

But such a party-saving compromise is, alas, unthinkable, because any replacement to the Donald would lack his messianic, legendary abilities to make great trade deals, bomb the s**t out of ISIS, restore the phrase “Merry Christmas” to our national lexicon (whatever happened to his Starbucks boycott?), deport or vaporize all 11 million illegals, and win so often for the USA that we’d grow sick of winning.

People who believe in Trump will never consider a substitute, no matter how similar in policy positions, rhetoric, or business experience, because support for their champion has nothing to do with policy positions, rhetoric, or business success.

It is, at its core, personal and emotional — like the backing for other authoritarian poseurs who have at times managed to convince multitudes that they and they alone possessed the supernatural abilities to achieve or restore national greatness. For all such cult-of-personality figures (the reader can supply his own names from the Evil Dictators Hall of Shame) ideology is only a tool, not a purpose. Policy prescriptions like a “Great Leap Forward” and a “Cultural Revolution” are merely means to an end, and that end is absolute power, not some economic or even cultural shift.

If I am wrong in this line of reasoning, then Mr. Trump and his true believers have an excellent chance to prove it. If they really do want to “Make America Great Again” by applying his distinctive approach to our national challenges, he can do so by simply stepping out of the way — anointing an acolyte to pursue and complete his great work. He could ensure the realization of all his grand transformational goals by preparing a new “Covenant With America” that contained Ten commandments (it worked well for God, who was only slightly less powerful and perfect than Mr. Trump) to which his chosen substitute could publicly pledge adherence. He might even agree to serve his country and the new regime he installed by becoming the nation’s powerful re-negotiator in all trade deals or, even better, accept a post as Deportation Czar, taking charge of his own visionary scheme to implement the greatest forced migration in human history.

#related#The chief objection to Trump’s nomination has always been this public figure’s low character, unstable temperament, and indisputable venality. One need only review Mitt Romney’s uncharacteristically passionate speech: Nearly all of it centers on Mr. Trump’s personality, not his policies (or lack thereof).

We face at the moment a truly horrifying situation in which the party and, ultimately, the nation have been polarized over a single, simple question on which there can be no middle ground: Should Donald J. Trump be installed as the next president, the commander-in-chief, and the leader of the free world?

His followers will accept no substitute. His opponents will accept almost any substitute. The crisis we face is more appropriate to a monarchy, or a dictatorship, than to a democratic republic.


And on the question of maintaining the republican — and Republican — norms that have been traduced by a reckless demagogue, there can be, alas, no compromise.

— Michael Medved hosts a daily radio talk show heard on more than 300 stations across the country.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/03/donald-trump-supporters-cult-personality/

My comment: it's still true!


RE: A personality cult for Trump? - Eric the Green - 05-24-2019

(05-24-2019, 08:23 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Updated because I now have a source:


I cannot verify this, as it seems too extreme to be credible. But 'too bad to be true' describes much of what has been said of this President.

By Vice-President Pence, who supposedly said in ONE cabinet meeting alone:



Quote:“Thank you for seeing, through the course of this year, an agenda that truly is restoring this country.”
“You described it very well, Mr. President.”
“You've restored American credibility on the world stage.”
“You've signed more bills rolling back federal red tape than any president in American history.”
“You've unleashed American energy.”
“You've spurred an optimism in this country that's setting records.”
“You promised the American people in that campaign a year ago that you would deliver historic tax cuts, and it would be a 'middle-class miracle.' And in just a short period of time, that promise will be fulfilled.”
“I’m deeply humbled, as your vice president, to be able to be here."
“Because of your leadership, Mr. President, and because of the strong support of the leadership in the Congress of the United States, you're delivering on that middle-class miracle.”
“You've actually got the Congress to do, as you said, what they couldn’t do with [the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska] for 40 years.”
“You got the Congress to do, with tax cuts for working families and American businesses, what they haven’t been able to do for 31 years.”
“And you got Congress to do what they couldn’t do for seven years, in repealing the individual mandate in Obamacare.”
“Mostly, Mr. President, I’ll end where I began and just tell you, I want to thank you, Mr. President. I want to thank you for speaking on behalf of and fighting every day for the forgotten men and women of America.”
“Because of your determination, because of your leadership, the forgotten men and women of America are forgotten no more. And we are making America great again.”


If this is so, then I miss Dick Cheney (by contrast as Veep) .

Wow, I wouldn't go THAT far, but it is really an incredible tissue of lies and false compliments. I've heard Pence say these things. He is really sucking up to his master, and I'm sure it's because he wants to inherit the Trump mantle, broken as it may be; but that doesn't matter because he can't even see the cracks.

My theory remains that Trump is the actual reincarnation of Benito Mussolini. It is arguable either way, but there's enough similarity to support the theory. Mussolini was the master-mind of the fascist movement, embodied the cult of personality worship for a tyrant, and Hitler took it over and applied it to the German situation. But Mussolini's favorite slogan, don't forget, was "Make Italy Great Again!" He may have been more effective as a leader than Drumphead, but the personality similarities are notable.

This notion gained traction after Trump quoted Mussolini in a tweet and defended himself for doing so.

Trump has also been suggested as the reincarnation of Nero. He may be the soul of a long line of similar leaders.


RE: A personality cult for Trump? - pbrower2a - 05-25-2019

(05-24-2019, 11:31 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Wow, I wouldn't go THAT far, but it is really an incredible tissue of lies and false compliments. I've heard Pence say these things. He is really sucking up to his master, and I'm sure it's because he wants to inherit the Trump mantle, broken as it may be; but that doesn't matter because he can't even see the cracks.

My theory remains that Trump is the actual reincarnation of Benito Mussolini. It is arguable either way, but there's enough similarity to support the theory. Mussolini was the master-mind of the fascist movement, embodied the cult of personality worship for a tyrant, and Hitler took it over and applied it to the German situation. But Mussolini's favorite slogan, don't forget, was "Make Italy Great Again!" He may have been more effective as a leader than Drumphead, but the personality similarities are notable.

This notion gained traction after Trump quoted Mussolini in a tweet and defended himself for doing so.

Trump has also been suggested as the reincarnation of Nero. He may be the soul of a long line of similar leaders.

Bad leaders need suck-ups. Good ones don't. I cannot say that in the same position that Trump is in that I would be a good leader -- but I would certainly surround myself with learned people capable, if necessary, of dissuading me from doing something that gets horrible results. I know the limits of my learning and experience, Nobody can know everything, although there are plenty of fools who think that they know more than do the experts.    

From most accounts, Mussolini was an intelligent man -- but utterly amoral.

This said, if I lead America I cite Lincoln or FDR -- not Mussolini, Hitler, or Saddam Hussein.


RE: A personality cult for Trump? - pbrower2a - 06-03-2019

Well, Trump is unpopular across The Pond:

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Does anyone think that Obama would be a good Prime Minister? His father was a British subject!


RE: A personality cult for Trump? - taramarie - 06-03-2019

Kiwis really don't like Donald Trump - poll


RE: A personality cult for Trump? - David Horn - 06-04-2019

(06-03-2019, 07:00 PM)taramarie Wrote: Kiwis really don't like Donald Trump - poll

Credit yourselves for good taste.  Apparently, the opinion is shared widely.  The Brits seem to actually hate him.


RE: A personality cult for Trump? - taramarie - 06-04-2019

(06-04-2019, 03:13 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(06-03-2019, 07:00 PM)taramarie Wrote: Kiwis really don't like Donald Trump - poll

Credit yourselves for good taste.  Apparently, the opinion is shared widely.  The Brits seem to actually hate him.

He has less favour here than over in England so he is hated here too.


RE: A personality cult for Trump? - Hintergrund - 06-12-2019

Mussolini also had suck-ups.