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Is it Time to Decriminalize Sex Work - beechnut79 - 06-12-2019

In New York state and Washington DC there are active movements underway to decriminalize sex work, the more politically correct term for prostitution. A similar movement in San Francisco proved unsuccessful. As these issues are the realm of the individual states and localities and not the federal government, it is amazing that currently the act is illegal in 49 states and legal in only parts of the 50th(Nevada).

Perhaps ironically discussions of this increased after the FOSTA/SESTA acts were passed last year. Sadly many honest service providers ended up being lumped together with the sick human traffickers, and a result has been a bona fide witch hunt.  And because of its illegality providers tend to be scared to report abuse and mistreatment. This could be rectified through decriminalization efforts. Ironically some of the biggest opponents of decrim are service providers themselves because then they would have to start paying taxes on it.

If it were legal in more of the nation, would sex work become more affordable to the masses? Currently the average rate for a provider is between $300 and $500 per hour in most places. Your thoughts here.


RE: Is it Time to Decriminalize Sex Work - Hintergrund - 06-12-2019

If they failed even in the most liberal city of America, I don't see them succeeding anywhere else. Good.


RE: Is it Time to Decriminalize Sex Work - taramarie - 06-13-2019

(06-12-2019, 09:10 PM)Hintergrund Wrote: If they failed even in the most liberal city of America, I don't see them succeeding anywhere else. Good.

Wrong. It is legal in New Zealand and has been since 2003.


RE: Is it Time to Decriminalize Sex Work - Kinser79 - 06-14-2019

(06-13-2019, 02:03 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(06-12-2019, 09:10 PM)Hintergrund Wrote: If they failed even in the most liberal city of America, I don't see them succeeding anywhere else. Good.

Wrong. It is legal in New Zealand and has been since 2003.

America is not New Zealand.  There is a historical streak of puritanism in American culture that New Zealand lacks.

As to the question at hand I would prefer as Nordic model here.  Decriminalizing prostitution and seeking to assist those in sex work to get out (with few exceptions people are driven to that lifestyle due to desperation) while continuing to prosecute pimps and johns.


RE: Is it Time to Decriminalize Sex Work - taramarie - 06-14-2019

(06-14-2019, 12:33 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(06-13-2019, 02:03 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(06-12-2019, 09:10 PM)Hintergrund Wrote: If they failed even in the most liberal city of America, I don't see them succeeding anywhere else. Good.

Wrong. It is legal in New Zealand and has been since 2003.

America is not New Zealand.  There is a historical streak of puritanism in American culture that New Zealand lacks.

As to the question at hand I would prefer as Nordic model here.  Decriminalizing prostitution and seeking to assist those in sex work to get out (with few exceptions people are driven to that lifestyle due to desperation) while continuing to prosecute pimps and johns.
Points highlighted for a reason. Likewise America isn't "everywhere else." There are other countries. Nordic model does sound perfect.


RE: Is it Time to Decriminalize Sex Work - Kinser79 - 06-14-2019

(06-14-2019, 04:49 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(06-14-2019, 12:33 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(06-13-2019, 02:03 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(06-12-2019, 09:10 PM)Hintergrund Wrote: If they failed even in the most liberal city of America, I don't see them succeeding anywhere else. Good.

Wrong. It is legal in New Zealand and has been since 2003.

America is not New Zealand.  There is a historical streak of puritanism in American culture that New Zealand lacks.

As to the question at hand I would prefer as Nordic model here.  Decriminalizing prostitution and seeking to assist those in sex work to get out (with few exceptions people are driven to that lifestyle due to desperation) while continuing to prosecute pimps and johns.
Points highlighted for a reason. Likewise America isn't "everywhere else." There are other countries. Nordic model does sound perfect.

I might be trying to mind read here but I think Hintergrund's point is that if "X liberal-ish policy failed in San Francisco then it will fail elsewhere" was America specific.


RE: Is it Time to Decriminalize Sex Work - taramarie - 06-14-2019

(06-14-2019, 06:08 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(06-14-2019, 04:49 PM)taramarie Wrote:
(06-14-2019, 12:33 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(06-13-2019, 02:03 AM)taramarie Wrote:
(06-12-2019, 09:10 PM)Hintergrund Wrote: If they failed even in the most liberal city of America, I don't see them succeeding anywhere else. Good.

Wrong. It is legal in New Zealand and has been since 2003.

America is not New Zealand.  There is a historical streak of puritanism in American culture that New Zealand lacks.

As to the question at hand I would prefer as Nordic model here.  Decriminalizing prostitution and seeking to assist those in sex work to get out (with few exceptions people are driven to that lifestyle due to desperation) while continuing to prosecute pimps and johns.
Points highlighted for a reason. Likewise America isn't "everywhere else." There are other countries. Nordic model does sound perfect.

I might be trying to mind read here but I think Hintergrund's point is that if "X liberal-ish policy failed in San Francisco then it will fail elsewhere" was America specific.
Perhaps. Such a shame more countries do not follow the Nordic model. I am pretty sure there are far worse crimes to focus on than on drugs and prostitution. All about how those things are handled really. Address the root of the issues you find solutions instead of suppression that does not work anyway.


RE: Is it Time to Decriminalize Sex Work - beechnut79 - 06-21-2019

Here is a story which just appeared where two of the top candidates for the White House discuss the topic.

https://nypost.com/2019/06/20/bernie-sanders-liz-warren-talk-decriminalizing-prostitution/

I would be in favor of it if it is regulated properly and not be able to flourish just on every street corner. If I had, say, 100 bucks to spare and wanted to pay someone to have sex, is it really any of the government's business?

But with higher end escorts, it is really all about companionship, with sex being only a very small part if indeed it does occur. And let's face it: it's prohibition hasn't been any more successful than it was with liquor a generation ago.


RE: Is it Time to Decriminalize Sex Work - beechnut79 - 06-21-2019

(06-12-2019, 09:10 PM)Hintergrund Wrote: If they failed even in the most liberal city of America, I don't see them succeeding anywhere else. Good.

But you can't say today that San Francisco is the most liberal city. Back in the Hippie days, yes. But now it is home to all of these high tech startups (Uber et al), and the current Lords of Tech, many of whom are based in and around SF, can be quite accurately described as the new robber barons. Their goal is to eliminate not only human labor, but also human contact to the greatest extent possible.