(01-11-2022, 01:58 AM)TatteredGenX Wrote: Hi Eric. Thank you so much for your insights. 
LOVE your books. Hope you will write another one soon.
Thinking on how to phrase things, as I too look at life more with an astrological lens; albeit an amateur version. 
With that lens--but still keeping the turnings in firm mind--I keep looking at early this year (Pluto) and 2025/26. 

One thing I have not been able to glean--is the Pandemic aspect. It flew straight past me in April 2020 as well. I knew something was up, (every planet and their dog in conjunction in Cap), but would never have guessed. 
I keep up on international news quite a bit. Would love it if this pandemic--as horrible as it is--serves as the sole ramp-up to finish off this 4T. I grew up in Europe, firmly connected to WWII, and there are things brewing. It looks to me that something else may well have additional impact; Russia / China comes to mind, along with the large set of Eurasian countries which now have large authoritarian movements.

Thoughts on that?

Quote:Agree completely about the division being the core issue driving this 4T, and on a global scale. I'm glad to see you think it will be 2029, rather than later. I know it is 8 years away--but it beats sitting in this situation until 2036. 

I keep looking at the years 500 through the 1700's for parallels to this pandemic. While there is zero reason for it to reach the magnitude of the Bubonic Plague--I wonder.  I know grand cycle wise we are not there (many many thanks for the spreadsheet), and I take great comfort from that, however 1 million infections per day coupled with massive climate change has me drawing connections to Krakatoa and the rats that caused the plague. I have not gone as far as looking at the saeculum and the turnings for that era yet.
Perhaps I 'enjoy' scaring myself, but not that much.

That said--you and Tarnas got me through 2020. By the time I started to understand, I felt much calmer. Looking at the BIG picture is good. 

Quote:PS: 

Is there somewhere else on the internet you frequent, where I could ask you all the things that would be off-topic for this forum? 
I love the socio-political angle of the 4th Turning, the fact it was written by economists, and thoroughly enjoyed learning about the archetypes. It is a great book for sure. 

And I must confess--I devour Mundane Astrology books. 

If there isn't, that's fine too, I will just do my level best to stick tight to the archetypes and the saeculum. 

So nice to get to talk to you. 

EDIT: Full HTML edit anywhere? I "killed" the quotes.

(01-30-2022, 07:17 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Coronavirus: Mayo Clinic fires 700 unvaccinated employees



January 05, 2022 at 9:58 am ESTBy Theresa Seiger, Cox Media Group National Content Desk
The Mayo Clinic has fired hundreds of its employees at hospitals nationwide for failing to meet a requirement to get vaccinated against COVID-19, according to WJAX-TV and multiple reports.

Officials confirmed the decision Tuesday to WCCO-TV. Employees had until Monday to get vaccinated.

In a statement obtained by the Star Tribune, Mayo Clinic officials noted that nearly 99% of its staff members got vaccinated or received medical or religious exemptions from the vaccination requirement. The clinic employs 73,000 people in Minnesota, Arizona, Florida and several other states.

While Mayo Clinic is saddened to lose valuable employees, we need to take all steps necessary to keep our patients, workforce, visitors and communities safe,” the clinic said in the statement.
“Based on science and data, it’s clear that vaccination keeps people out of the hospital and saves lives. That’s true for everyone in our communities — and it’s especially true for the many patients with serious or complex diseases who seek care at Mayo Clinic each day.”

A spokesperson said that employees who were released Tuesday will be able to return to the clinic for future job postings if they get vaccinated, WJAX-TV reported.

>> Related: Coronavirus: Air Force discharges 27 for refusing to get COVID vaccine

Employers in several industries nationwide have required that their workforces get vaccinated against COVID-19 and fired employees who have refused. In October, NPR reported that workers who decline vaccinations make up a small fraction of overall employees. In September, North Carolina-based Novant Health fired nearly 200 of its more than 35,000 employees for failing to get vaccinated, according to WSOC-TV. In Washington, officials said more than 400 of the state’s 6,300 transportation workers left their jobs in October due to a vaccine mandate, KIRO-TV reported.

In November, the Biden administration announced vaccine mandates which were set to take effect this month, which would have required health care facilities which get federal funding and companies with 100 or more employees to have their workforces fully vaccinated. The mandates have been challenged in court, with the U.S. Supreme Court set to hear arguments over their validity on Friday, according to Reuters.

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/trending/coronavirus-mayo-clinic-fires-700-unvaccinated-employees/XXE2B2OCQ5G27AICKWFF4JHA5M/


>> Related: Massachusetts hospital fires more than 200 for refusing COVID-19 vaccination

As of Tuesday morning, nearly 74% of the U.S. population – 244.9 million people – has gotten at least one dose of any of the available COVID-19 vaccines, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Just over 62% of Americans, or 206.5 million people, have been fully vaccinated, and almost 35% of those who have been fully vaccinated have gotten booster shots, CDC data shows.

Since the start of the pandemic, officials have reported 57 million cases of COVID-19 nationwide, resulting in more than 830,000 deaths, according to a tally from Johns Hopkins University. Globally, 295.4 million cases have been reported, resulting in 5.4 million deaths, according to the university.
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(02-05-2022, 12:59 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(02-05-2022, 03:46 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-30-2022, 07:17 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Coronavirus: Mayo Clinic fires 700 unvaccinated employees

It was a business decision. Hospitals need revenues to function and noncompliance would result in a major loss of revenues. So, are they going to fire vaccinated employees and refuse vaccinated patients and prohibit vaccinated visitors who can get sick and spread covid too? They should if they need to take all steps necessary to keep our patients, workforce, visitors and communities safe. It's hard to believe that so many people with college degrees are going along with nonsense. You know that vaccinated patients and visitors and vaccinated employees can get sick and spread covid too right. Everyone pretty much knows that's the truth these days but the Biden Administration and a bunch of libtards. I assume that Biden doesn't care about the truth at this point. On another note, I've been directly exposed to more people with covid (all of them vaccinated people who were sick for multiple days) the last three months than I have the last two years and I haven't got sick with covid yet. Is it luck or is it natural immunity? I've tested negative two times a week for several weeks.

(02-05-2022, 09:30 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-05-2022, 03:46 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: It was a business decision. Hospitals need revenues to function and noncompliance would result in a major loss of revenues. So, are they going to fire vaccinated employees and refuse vaccinated patients and prohibit vaccinated visitors who can get sick and spread covid too? They should if they need to take all steps necessary to keep our patients, workforce, visitors and communities safe. It's hard to believe that so many people with college degrees are going along with nonsense. You know that vaccinated patients and visitors and vaccinated employees can get sick and spread covid too right. Everyone pretty much knows that's the truth these days but the Biden Administration and a bunch of libtards. I assume that Biden doesn't care about the truth at this point. On another note, I've been directly exposed to more people with covid (all of them vaccinated people who were sick for multiple days) the last three months than I have the last two years and I haven't got sick with covid yet. Is it luck or is it natural immunity? I've tested negative two times a week for several weeks.

Once again, you read the wrong lesson from a good choice by Mayo Clinic.  The Clinic wasn't worried about their business model -- at least not nearly as much as it worried about its mission.  You can't run a medical practice if that practice allows the staff to sicken each other and, more to the point, the clinic's patients.  While i might favor separating the unvaccinated patients from the vaccinated -- even charging the unvaccinated more for care -- Mayo isn't doing that, nor are any other medical practices I know of.  

If you drove your car with no brakes, and did it intentionally, the legal system would come down hard on you when you finally had an accident -- as they should.  COVID is no different, yet the medical profession continues to hold out a helping hand and bear a burden imposed on them on purpose by the 'freedom front'.

(02-05-2022, 11:08 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(02-05-2022, 09:30 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-05-2022, 03:46 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: It was a business decision. Hospitals need revenues to function and noncompliance would result in a major loss of revenues. So, are they going to fire vaccinated employees and refuse vaccinated patients and prohibit vaccinated visitors who can get sick and spread covid too? They should if they need to take all steps necessary to keep our patients, workforce, visitors and communities safe. It's hard to believe that so many people with college degrees are going along with nonsense. You know that vaccinated patients and visitors and vaccinated employees can get sick and spread covid too right. Everyone pretty much knows that's the truth these days but the Biden Administration and a bunch of libtards. I assume that Biden doesn't care about the truth at this point. On another note, I've been directly exposed to more people with covid (all of them vaccinated people who were sick for multiple days) the last three months than I have the last two years and I haven't got sick with covid yet. Is it luck or is it natural immunity? I've tested negative two times a week for several weeks.

Once again, you read the wrong lesson from a good choice by Mayo Clinic.  The Clinic wasn't worried about their business model -- at least not nearly as much as it worried about its mission.  You can't run a medical practice if that practice allows the staff to sicken each other and, more to the point, the clinic's patients.  While i might favor separating the unvaccinated patients from the vaccinated -- even charging the unvaccinated more for care -- Mayo isn't doing that, nor are any other medical practices I know of.  

If you drove your car with no brakes, and did it intentionally, the legal system would come down hard on you when you finally had an accident -- as they should.  COVID is no different, yet the medical profession continues to hold out a helping hand and bear a burden imposed on them on purpose by the 'freedom front'.

I would state it another way.  The so called freedom front cares for their own freedom more than the health of the general public.  If Mayo's prime concern is with the health of the general public, why wouldn't they get rid of those who want the right to murder?

A crisis is a time to care for the welfare of the whole.  An unraveling is a time of selfishness.

(02-05-2022, 03:46 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-30-2022, 07:17 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Coronavirus: Mayo Clinic fires 700 unvaccinated employees

It was a business decision. Hospitals need revenues to function and noncompliance would result in a major loss of revenues. So, are they going to fire vaccinated employees and refuse vaccinated patients and prohibit vaccinated visitors who can get sick and spread covid too? They should if they need to take all steps necessary to keep our patients, workforce, visitors and communities safe. It's hard to believe that so many people with college degrees are going along with nonsense. You know that vaccinated patients and visitors and vaccinated employees can get sick and spread covid too right. Everyone pretty much knows that's the truth these days but the Biden Administration and a bunch of libtards. I assume that Biden doesn't care about the truth at this point. On another note, I've been directly exposed to more people with covid (all of them vaccinated people who were sick for multiple days) the last three months than I have the last two years and I haven't got sick with covid yet. Is it luck or is it natural immunity? I've tested negative two times a week for several weeks.

(02-05-2022, 04:42 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

Quote: David Horn

(02-05-2022, 03:46 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: It was a business decision. Hospitals need revenues to function and noncompliance would result in a major loss of revenues. So, are they going to fire vaccinated employees and refuse vaccinated patients and prohibit vaccinated visitors who can get sick and spread covid too? They should if they need to take all steps necessary to keep our patients, workforce, visitors and communities safe. It's hard to believe that so many people with college degrees are going along with nonsense. You know that vaccinated patients and visitors and vaccinated employees can get sick and spread covid too right. Everyone pretty much knows that's the truth these days but the Biden Administration and a bunch of libtards. I assume that Biden doesn't care about the truth at this point. On another note, I've been directly exposed to more people with covid (all of them vaccinated people who were sick for multiple days) the last three months than I have the last two years and I haven't got sick with covid yet. Is it luck or is it natural immunity? I've tested negative two times a week for several weeks.

Once again, you read the wrong lesson from a good choice by Mayo Clinic.  The Clinic wasn't worried about their business model -- at least not nearly as much as it worried about its mission.  You can't run a medical practice if that practice allows the staff to sicken each other and, more to the point, the clinic's patients.  While i might favor separating the unvaccinated patients from the vaccinated -- even charging the unvaccinated more for care -- Mayo isn't doing that, nor are any other medical practices I know of.  

If you drove your car with no brakes, and did it intentionally, the legal system would come down hard on you when you finally had an accident -- as they should.  COVID is no different, yet the medical profession continues to hold out a helping hand and bear a burden imposed on them on purpose by the 'freedom front'.

Can you get sick from covid and spread it to others and possibly kill other despite being vaccinated? Can you die from covid despite being vaccinated? Yes you can just like me or anyone else at this point. Whatever superiority you thought you had or may have gained with being vaccinated no longer exists today. Like I said, I am amazed that so many people with college degrees are still bowing down and going along with the blue nonsense these days. I've always thought vaccinating healthy people and forcing healthy people to get vaccinated was unwarranted and a waste of time, money and resources. You seem to have a bit of a ruthless/careless side to you. That's good, I won't feel guilty when people eventually start blowing blue heads off and rounding up blues for deportation and so forth.

You don't want to hear this but if you do get covid and you most likely will since we're a couple of vaccines behind and nobody knows the specific characteristics or deadliness of the next covid variant, your chances of survival will be significantly less than mine since my body already gotten to know covid pretty well. Alpha didn't kill me. Beta didn't kill me or anyone that I know who got it at the time. BTW, I knew lots of people who got it at the time. Delta didn't kill me or anyone that I know ( vaccinated or non vaccinated) either. Omicron has claimed one so far. He was 94 years old and ready to pass on and preferred to die at home with loved ones by his side vs dying alone in a hospital bed.  Do you or any of the blue morons have a problem with him having the right to make that decision?

(02-05-2022, 11:08 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(02-05-2022, 09:30 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-05-2022, 03:46 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: It was a business decision. Hospitals need revenues to function and noncompliance would result in a major loss of revenues. So, are they going to fire vaccinated employees and refuse vaccinated patients and prohibit vaccinated visitors who can get sick and spread covid too? They should if they need to take all steps necessary to keep our patients, workforce, visitors and communities safe. It's hard to believe that so many people with college degrees are going along with nonsense. You know that vaccinated patients and visitors and vaccinated employees can get sick and spread covid too right. Everyone pretty much knows that's the truth these days but the Biden Administration and a bunch of libtards. I assume that Biden doesn't care about the truth at this point. On another note, I've been directly exposed to more people with covid (all of them vaccinated people who were sick for multiple days) the last three months than I have the last two years and I haven't got sick with covid yet. Is it luck or is it natural immunity? I've tested negative two times a week for several weeks.

Once again, you read the wrong lesson from a good choice by Mayo Clinic.  The Clinic wasn't worried about their business model -- at least not nearly as much as it worried about its mission.  You can't run a medical practice if that practice allows the staff to sicken each other and, more to the point, the clinic's patients.  While i might favor separating the unvaccinated patients from the vaccinated -- even charging the unvaccinated more for care -- Mayo isn't doing that, nor are any other medical practices I know of.  

If you drove your car with no brakes, and did it intentionally, the legal system would come down hard on you when you finally had an accident -- as they should.  COVID is no different, yet the medical profession continues to hold out a helping hand and bear a burden imposed on them on purpose by the 'freedom front'.

I would state it another way.  The so called freedom front cares for their own freedom more than the health of the general public.  If Mayo's prime concern is with the health of the general public, why wouldn't they get rid of those who want the right to murder?

A crisis is a time to care for the welfare of the whole.  An unraveling is a time of selfishness.

(02-05-2022, 06:03 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-05-2022, 04:42 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

Quote: David Horn

(02-05-2022, 03:46 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: It was a business decision. Hospitals need revenues to function and noncompliance would result in a major loss of revenues. So, are they going to fire vaccinated employees and refuse vaccinated patients and prohibit vaccinated visitors who can get sick and spread covid too? They should if they need to take all steps necessary to keep our patients, workforce, visitors and communities safe. It's hard to believe that so many people with college degrees are going along with nonsense. You know that vaccinated patients and visitors and vaccinated employees can get sick and spread covid too right. Everyone pretty much knows that's the truth these days but the Biden Administration and a bunch of libtards. I assume that Biden doesn't care about the truth at this point. On another note, I've been directly exposed to more people with covid (all of them vaccinated people who were sick for multiple days) the last three months than I have the last two years and I haven't got sick with covid yet. Is it luck or is it natural immunity? I've tested negative two times a week for several weeks.

Once again, you read the wrong lesson from a good choice by Mayo Clinic.  The Clinic wasn't worried about their business model -- at least not nearly as much as it worried about its mission.  You can't run a medical practice if that practice allows the staff to sicken each other and, more to the point, the clinic's patients.  While i might favor separating the unvaccinated patients from the vaccinated -- even charging the unvaccinated more for care -- Mayo isn't doing that, nor are any other medical practices I know of.  

If you drove your car with no brakes, and did it intentionally, the legal system would come down hard on you when you finally had an accident -- as they should.  COVID is no different, yet the medical profession continues to hold out a helping hand and bear a burden imposed on them on purpose by the 'freedom front'.

Can you get sick from covid and spread it to others and possibly kill other despite being vaccinated? Can you die from covid despite being vaccinated? Yes you can just like me or anyone else at this point. Whatever superiority you thought you had or may have gained with being vaccinated no longer exists today. Like I said, I am amazed that so many people with college degrees are still bowing down and going along with the blue nonsense these days. I've always thought vaccinating healthy people and forcing healthy people to get vaccinated was unwarranted and a waste of time, money and resources. You seem to have a bit of a ruthless/careless side to you. That's good, I won't feel guilty when people eventually start blowing blue heads off and rounding up blues for deportation and so forth.

You don't want to hear this but if you do get covid and you most likely will since we're a couple of vaccines behind and nobody knows the specific characteristics or deadliness of the next covid variant, your chances of survival will be significantly less than mine since my body already gotten to know covid pretty well. Alpha didn't kill me. Beta didn't kill me or anyone that I know who got it at the time. BTW, I knew lots of people who got it at the time. Delta didn't kill me or anyone that I know ( vaccinated or non vaccinated) either. Omicron has claimed one so far. He was 94 years old and ready to pass on and preferred to die at home with loved ones by his side vs dying alone in a hospital bed.  Do you or any of the blue morons have a problem with him having the right to make that decision?

Classic, you think medical science is based on a few people you know. It isn't. Science shows that natural immunity is weaker than vaccines. Yes the vaccines' effectiveness seems to wane over time, but those who got the booster are over 90 times less likely to die from covid than the unvaccinated. Those are facts, not based on people that I know.

There will be more covid19 variants as long as greedy drug companies have their way and are not required to supply mRNA vaccine patents to the world. Right now the world is starting to produce its own, but it has a long way to go. So our focus on the rich people of the world has come back to bite us, and likely will again; thanks to your pro-greed, pro-rich people philosophy, Classic Xer.

(02-05-2022, 06:04 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: What was the Biden Administration threatening to remove if the Mayo Clinic didn't comply with Biden's vaccine mandate? The answer is pretty simple, it's millions of dollars.  So, what's the point of a vaccine mandate now that we are basically back to square one with Delta and Omicron? So which variant dealt the final blow that ended the life of Colin Powell, was it Delta or lingering Beta? Delta was the new rage/threat at the time, one can only assume his death was associated with Delta. I'm very certain that he was infected by someone with Delta who was fully vaccinated at the time. He was Collin Powell (A well-known US Army general during the first Gulf War and a former Secretary of State) and not some average person on the street so to speak. So, I'm almost certain that everyone in his immediate circle (family, care givers and friends) were fully vaccinated.

1. The Mayo Clinic receives funding from Federal programs.  Most hospitals do.  Unlike 'most hospitals', the Mayo Clinic can get by just fine without any of it.
   
2. The point of a vaccine mandate -- a point that seems to get lost on everyone with your mindset -- is to dramatically lower the R value of the virus, so is dies out.  In other words, it's a communal goal based on a communal effort.
   By the way, it's working as intended where it's practiced; not here in the good old USA of course.
   
3. Vaccines are not 100% perfect.  That applies to all of them.  Powell, unfortunately, failed to get a booster when he was first eligible, and that alone may have cost him his life.
   
4. as an aside: anecdotes are not statistically relevant in any case.  You can always find an example that runs counter to the trend.
   

C-Xer Wrote:As far as selfishness, you are selfish and you have been selfish for many years. It's been all about you, your beliefs, what you view as priorities priorities, Progressive Politics and advancing a Progressive agenda for many years. As far as I can tell, the American people, American lives, American jobs, American core values, American views, American rights, the American country itself and its future aren't as important to you and often not even taken into consideration. This isn't real life. This is the internet which is far cry from real life. You see, in real life, I can use all of my strengths and characteristics and whatever tools to confront someone like you. In other words, if you're a dick and act like dick, I'd be able treat to treat like the other dicks that I've dealt with during my life. As I've mentioned before, pistol whipping some dick in a wheel chair with a laptop who spends his time demonizing and demoralizing police ain't going to be a problem with me. It's a viable solution to an obvious problem "threat to society". You see, that's what it boils down to with me and most Americans these days. The country has already turned against you and it's just a matter of whether you're able to figure  it out and accept it or not and continue to be dicks.  On another note, I heard BLM is imploding and its leaders are mostly likely a group of crooks who recently transferred 16 million dollars to Canadian non profits they set up for themselves and also bought property for themselves in Canada too. I don't know if you are aware of it, I know the Democratic media tends to ignore/censor relevant information these days.

(02-05-2022, 04:42 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: David Horn

(02-05-2022, 03:46 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-30-2022, 07:17 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Coronavirus: Mayo Clinic fires 700 unvaccinated employees

It was a business decision. Hospitals need revenues to function and noncompliance would result in a major loss of revenues. So, are they going to fire vaccinated employees and refuse vaccinated patients and prohibit vaccinated visitors who can get sick and spread covid too? They should if they need to take all steps necessary to keep our patients, workforce, visitors and communities safe. It's hard to believe that so many people with college degrees are going along with nonsense. You know that vaccinated patients and visitors and vaccinated employees can get sick and spread covid too right. Everyone pretty much knows that's the truth these days but the Biden Administration and a bunch of libtards. I assume that Biden doesn't care about the truth at this point. On another note, I've been directly exposed to more people with covid (all of them vaccinated people who were sick for multiple days) the last three months than I have the last two years and I haven't got sick with covid yet. Is it luck or is it natural immunity? I've tested negative two times a week for several weeks.

Once again, you read the wrong lesson from a good choice by Mayo Clinic.  The Clinic wasn't worried about their business model -- at least not nearly as much as it worried about its mission.  You can't run a medical practice if that practice allows the staff to sicken each other and, more to the point, the clinic's patients.  While i might favor separating the unvaccinated patients from the vaccinated -- even charging the unvaccinated more for care -- Mayo isn't doing that, nor are any other medical practices I know of.

Quote:If you drove your car with no brakes, and did it intentionally, the legal system would come down hard on you when you finally had an accident -- as they should.  COVID is no different, yet the medical profession continues to hold out a helping hand and bear a burden imposed on them on purpose by the 'freedom front'.

Quote:Can you get sick from covid and spread it to others and possibly kill other despite being vaccinated? Can you die from covid despite being vaccinated? Yes you can just like me or anyone else at this point. Whatever superiority you thought you had or may have gained with being vaccinated no longer exists today. Like I said, I am amazed that so many people with college degrees are still bowing down and going along with the blue nonsense these days. I've always thought vaccinating healthy people and forcing healthy people to get vaccinated was unwarranted and a waste of time, money and resources. You seem to have a bit of a ruthless/careless side to you. That's good, I won't feel guilty when people eventually start blowing blue heads off and rounding up blues for deportation and so forth.

Quote:You don't want to hear this but if you do get covid and you most likely will since we're a couple of vaccines behind and nobody knows the specific characteristics or deadliness of the next covid variant, your chances of survival will be significantly less than mine since my body already gotten to know covid pretty well. Alpha didn't kill me. Beta didn't kill me or anyone that I know who got it at the time. BTW, I knew lots of people who got it at the time. Delta didn't kill me or anyone that I know ( vaccinated or non vaccinated) either. Omicron has claimed one so far. He was 94 years old and ready to pass on and preferred to die at home with loved ones by his side vs dying alone in a hospital bed.  Do you or any of the blue morons have a problem with him having the right to make that decision?

• California laid out a plan to treat Covid as a manageable risk that “will remain with us for some time, if not forever.”
  
  
• This moment feels particularly hard for immunocompromised people. “It’s like living behind a veil.”
  

(02-05-2022, 11:43 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-05-2022, 06:03 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-05-2022, 04:42 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

Quote: David Horn

(02-05-2022, 03:46 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: It was a business decision. Hospitals need revenues to function and noncompliance would result in a major loss of revenues. So, are they going to fire vaccinated employees and refuse vaccinated patients and prohibit vaccinated visitors who can get sick and spread covid too? They should if they need to take all steps necessary to keep our patients, workforce, visitors and communities safe. It's hard to believe that so many people with college degrees are going along with nonsense. You know that vaccinated patients and visitors and vaccinated employees can get sick and spread covid too right. Everyone pretty much knows that's the truth these days but the Biden Administration and a bunch of libtards. I assume that Biden doesn't care about the truth at this point. On another note, I've been directly exposed to more people with covid (all of them vaccinated people who were sick for multiple days) the last three months than I have the last two years and I haven't got sick with covid yet. Is it luck or is it natural immunity? I've tested negative two times a week for several weeks.

Once again, you read the wrong lesson from a good choice by Mayo Clinic.  The Clinic wasn't worried about their business model -- at least not nearly as much as it worried about its mission.  You can't run a medical practice if that practice allows the staff to sicken each other and, more to the point, the clinic's patients.  While i might favor separating the unvaccinated patients from the vaccinated -- even charging the unvaccinated more for care -- Mayo isn't doing that, nor are any other medical practices I know of.  

If you drove your car with no brakes, and did it intentionally, the legal system would come down hard on you when you finally had an accident -- as they should.  COVID is no different, yet the medical profession continues to hold out a helping hand and bear a burden imposed on them on purpose by the 'freedom front'.

Can you get sick from covid and spread it to others and possibly kill other despite being vaccinated? Can you die from covid despite being vaccinated? Yes you can just like me or anyone else at this point. Whatever superiority you thought you had or may have gained with being vaccinated no longer exists today. Like I said, I am amazed that so many people with college degrees are still bowing down and going along with the blue nonsense these days. I've always thought vaccinating healthy people and forcing healthy people to get vaccinated was unwarranted and a waste of time, money and resources. You seem to have a bit of a ruthless/careless side to you. That's good, I won't feel guilty when people eventually start blowing blue heads off and rounding up blues for deportation and so forth.

You don't want to hear this but if you do get covid and you most likely will since we're a couple of vaccines behind and nobody knows the specific characteristics or deadliness of the next covid variant, your chances of survival will be significantly less than mine since my body already gotten to know covid pretty well. Alpha didn't kill me. Beta didn't kill me or anyone that I know who got it at the time. BTW, I knew lots of people who got it at the time. Delta didn't kill me or anyone that I know ( vaccinated or non vaccinated) either. Omicron has claimed one so far. He was 94 years old and ready to pass on and preferred to die at home with loved ones by his side vs dying alone in a hospital bed.  Do you or any of the blue morons have a problem with him having the right to make that decision?

Classic, you think medical science is based on a few people you know. It isn't. Science shows that natural immunity is weaker than vaccines. Yes the vaccines' effectiveness seems to wane over time, but those who got the booster are over 90 times less likely to die from covid than the unvaccinated. Those are facts, not based on people that I know.

There will be more covid19 variants as long as greedy drug companies have their way and are not required to supply mRNA vaccine patents to the world. Right now the world is starting to produce its own, but it has a long way to go. So our focus on the rich people of the world has come back to bite us, and likely will again; thanks to your pro-greed, pro-rich people philosophy, Classic Xer.

I've heard the opposite is true as usual. Medical science is based on the results of studies over time. Preliminary studies suggested natural immunity was about equal to the vaccines in preventing death. The large scale studies that followed (studies that took place over the coarse of last year) concluded that natural immunity and its overall effectiveness (prevention of sickness, spread and death) was far superior to that of the vaccines.